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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 09 Jun 17 10.39am
Originally posted by Mstrobez Talk facts. Please give me the "swingeing increase" in numbers because I've read the labour manifesto and am yet to find it. Please elaborate on drawing that conclusion. 'Corporation Tax' up from 19% to 26% which would be the biggest tax incrsae in 3 decades. I am reminded of this : “Corporation tax is one of the more damaging taxes on growth and affects where companies choose to locate,” said Helen Miller, an associate director at the Institute for Fiscal Studies, citing evidence from the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development. “Putting the rate back up would be pretty bad for investment, jobs and wages.” Anyway, Labour cannot increase it as they are NOT in Government having lost the election.

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 09 Jun 17 10.39am

Originally posted by Mstrobez

Talk facts. Please give me the "swingeing increase" in numbers because I've read the labour manifesto and am yet to find it. Please elaborate on drawing that conclusion.

'Corporation Tax' up from 19% to 26% which would be the biggest tax incrsae in 3 decades.

I am reminded of this :

“Corporation tax is one of the more damaging taxes on growth and affects where companies choose to locate,” said Helen Miller, an associate director at the Institute for Fiscal Studies, citing evidence from the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development. “Putting the rate back up would be pretty bad for investment, jobs and wages.”

Anyway, Labour cannot increase it as they are NOT in Government having lost the election.

Hansy 09 Jun 17 10.39am
Labour supporters - 'May should resign after a bad election' Corbyn still loses, yet want him to stay May resigns and a new leader elected Labour Supporters - 'A new election should be held, no one voted for this new prime minister' You can't win.

Hansy

09 Jun 17 10.39am

Labour supporters - 'May should resign after a bad election'
Corbyn still loses, yet want him to stay
May resigns and a new leader elected
Labour Supporters - 'A new election should be held, no one voted for this new prime minister'

You can't win.

Kermit8 Hevon 09 Jun 17 10.41am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger I never liked may as Prime minister but she is in a difficult position. She has to put Brexit first because that is of paramount importance to the country and is far more important than party political considerations. If Brexit were not upon us, she should walk immediately. Yes, probably. Tell you what though, with all these new young voters, if another Brexit referendum were called tomorrow it would surely be 'remain' and not by a stingy 51.8% either. Everything is so messy because of, basically, Tory in-fighting these last couple of decades. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]

Kermit8

Hevon 09 Jun 17 10.41am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I never liked may as Prime minister but she is in a difficult position.
She has to put Brexit first because that is of paramount importance to the country and is far more important than party political considerations. If Brexit were not upon us, she should walk immediately.

Yes, probably.

Tell you what though, with all these new young voters, if another Brexit referendum were called tomorrow it would surely be 'remain' and not by a stingy 51.8% either.

Everything is so messy because of, basically, Tory in-fighting these last couple of decades.

Big chest and massive boobs

[Link]

Hrolf The Ganger 09 Jun 17 10.42am
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 I don't mind paying more taxes if the return is positively seen by the tax payer. I want decent social services and provision, and I am happy to pay for them. I want a good education for our children, affordable accommodation, employment that doesn't pay subsistence wages - and if that means higher taxes, then so be it. Don't we all? But it just isn't that simple is it. If it was, the Tories would be doing it. Who makes unpopular, vote losing policy for the sake of it?

Hrolf The Ganger

09 Jun 17 10.42am

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

I don't mind paying more taxes if the return is positively seen by the tax payer. I want decent social services and provision, and I am happy to pay for them.

I want a good education for our children, affordable accommodation, employment that doesn't pay subsistence wages - and if that means higher taxes, then so be it.

Don't we all?

But it just isn't that simple is it.
If it was, the Tories would be doing it. Who makes unpopular, vote losing policy for the sake of it?

Hrolf The Ganger 09 Jun 17 10.44am
Originally posted by Kermit8 Yes, probably. Tell you what though, with all these new young voters, if another Brexit referendum were called tomorrow it would surely be 'remain' and not by a stingy 51.8% either. Everything is so messy because of, basically, Tory in-fighting these last couple of decades. That is very speculative and sums up the Remain view. Keep having a referendum till we win. Remember that a backlash creates a backlash.

Hrolf The Ganger

09 Jun 17 10.44am

Originally posted by Kermit8

Yes, probably.

Tell you what though, with all these new young voters, if another Brexit referendum were called tomorrow it would surely be 'remain' and not by a stingy 51.8% either.

Everything is so messy because of, basically, Tory in-fighting these last couple of decades.

That is very speculative and sums up the Remain view. Keep having a referendum till we win.

Remember that a backlash creates a backlash.

Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 09 Jun 17 10.44am
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 It wasn't about Binary choices, it was mostly a satirical poke at your patronising view of a section of society that you immediately dismiss as being stupid. But the conservatives can only deliver a strong economy by cutting public spending. You can't have it both ways. Cuts to public services undermine the core fabric of society. These services work to tie society together. Not at all. Conservatives have had to make very tough decisions due to the economic mess inherited from Labour. At the end of the day if you want top public services you have to have a strong economy, NOT throwing money at it in the manner suggested by Labour with their fantasy economics which would seriously damage the economy. Anyway we can go on and on about policy in relation to both parties, I'm more concerned about the repercussions of the GE election so perhaps I should concentrate on this otherwise I can see a WILLO thread appearing.

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 09 Jun 17 10.44am

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

It wasn't about Binary choices, it was mostly a satirical poke at your patronising view of a section of society that you immediately dismiss as being stupid.

But the conservatives can only deliver a strong economy by cutting public spending. You can't have it both ways. Cuts to public services undermine the core fabric of society. These services work to tie society together.

Not at all.

Conservatives have had to make very tough decisions due to the economic mess inherited from Labour. At the end of the day if you want top public services you have to have a strong economy, NOT throwing money at it in the manner suggested by Labour with their fantasy economics which would seriously damage the economy.

Anyway we can go on and on about policy in relation to both parties, I'm more concerned about the repercussions of the GE election so perhaps I should concentrate on this otherwise I can see a WILLO thread appearing.

Hansy 09 Jun 17 10.45am
Originally posted by Kermit8 Yes, probably. Tell you what though, with all these new young voters, if another Brexit referendum were called tomorrow it would surely be 'remain' and not by a stingy 51.8% either. Everything is so messy because of, basically, Tory in-fighting these last couple of decades. Well that's incorrect. 68% on Yougov say they would leave, add that to the mild Eurosceptic views of those in the middle. And the fall in SNP votes, and small increase to Lip dems. Tories didn't get the entire UKIP vote, and Labour were not campaigning to stay in the EU. UKIP vote was shared. Edited by Hansy (09 Jun 2017 10.46am)

Hansy

09 Jun 17 10.45am

Originally posted by Kermit8

Yes, probably.

Tell you what though, with all these new young voters, if another Brexit referendum were called tomorrow it would surely be 'remain' and not by a stingy 51.8% either.

Everything is so messy because of, basically, Tory in-fighting these last couple of decades.

Well that's incorrect. 68% on Yougov say they would leave, add that to the mild Eurosceptic views of those in the middle. And the fall in SNP votes, and small increase to Lip dems.

Tories didn't get the entire UKIP vote, and Labour were not campaigning to stay in the EU. UKIP vote was shared.

Edited by Hansy (09 Jun 2017 10.46am)

Hrolf The Ganger 09 Jun 17 10.47am
Originally posted by Mapletree Presumably he got it from the result. Which was achieved in the face of fierce and highly personalised attacks by the vast majority of the media. Er, Labour lost by 50 plus seats despite a shocking Tory campaign. And I suppose Teresa May wasn't abused by the very left wing visual media?

Hrolf The Ganger

09 Jun 17 10.47am

Originally posted by Mapletree

Presumably he got it from the result.

Which was achieved in the face of fierce and highly personalised attacks by the vast majority of the media.

Er, Labour lost by 50 plus seats despite a shocking Tory campaign.
And I suppose Teresa May wasn't abused by the very left wing visual media?

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 09 Jun 17 10.48am
Oh the irony, May using terrorist sympathisers the DUP to prop up a failed government.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 09 Jun 17 10.48am

Oh the irony, May using terrorist sympathisers the DUP to prop up a failed government.

CambridgeEagle Sydenham 09 Jun 17 10.49am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays National insanity. I was completely wrong and I am humbled on that score. Enough voted for the politics of serial thriller.....they literally just fecked Brexit. Anyone who voted Corbyn is responsible for what comes next. The EU will be celebrating over this for sure. Nothing to be done over extremists here now for sure.....This country is truly fecked. Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Jun 2017 8.30am) Pretty sure May has to cop quite a lot of the blame for this result.

CambridgeEagle

Sydenham 09 Jun 17 10.49am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

National insanity.

I was completely wrong and I am humbled on that score.

Enough voted for the politics of serial thriller.....they literally just fecked Brexit.

Anyone who voted Corbyn is responsible for what comes next.

The EU will be celebrating over this for sure.

Nothing to be done over extremists here now for sure.....This country is truly fecked.

Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Jun 2017 8.30am)

Pretty sure May has to cop quite a lot of the blame for this result.

serial thriller The Promised Land 09 Jun 17 10.52am
Originally posted by Willo I am just pondering as to what the Labour 'Moderates' are making of the result ? The left is now the moderate view in Labour. 40% of the vote. People saying this is a defeat....this is the worst possible result for the Tories. If labour had won they could sit back and wait for brexit to fck up. Winning as they have, they'll take the flak when they fck up brexit, may will be laughed out of brussels after this. Another election will only see labour make further gains. If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

serial thriller

The Promised Land 09 Jun 17 10.52am

Originally posted by Willo

I am just pondering as to what the Labour 'Moderates' are making of the result ?

The left is now the moderate view in Labour. 40% of the vote.

People saying this is a defeat....this is the worst possible result for the Tories. If labour had won they could sit back and wait for brexit to f*ck up. Winning as they have, they'll take the flak when they f*ck up brexit, may will be laughed out of brussels after this. Another election will only see labour make further gains.

If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

Red Al Reading 09 Jun 17 10.53am
Originally posted by Willo Not at all. Conservatives have had to make very tough decisions due to the economic mess inherited from Labour. At the end of the day if you want top public services you have to have a strong economy, NOT throwing money at it in the manner suggested by Labour with their fantasy economics which would seriously damage the economy. Anyway we can go on and on about policy in relation to both parties, I'm more concerned about the repercussions of the GE election so perhaps I should concentrate on this otherwise I can see a WILLO thread appearing. The "economic mess" wasn't Labour's... unless you think that the Labour government also caused the crash in the US, Greece, Spain, Italy, France and everywhere else. Gordon Brown's actions as PM saved the country from ruin and shored up capitalism. The deficit inherited by the Tories was due to saving the banking system - that's the deficit that the Tories have only made worse in 7 years of wasted government!

Red Al

Reading 09 Jun 17 10.53am

Originally posted by Willo

Not at all.

Conservatives have had to make very tough decisions due to the economic mess inherited from Labour. At the end of the day if you want top public services you have to have a strong economy, NOT throwing money at it in the manner suggested by Labour with their fantasy economics which would seriously damage the economy.

The "economic mess" wasn't Labour's... unless you think that the Labour government also caused the crash in the US, Greece, Spain, Italy, France and everywhere else. Gordon Brown's actions as PM saved the country from ruin and shored up capitalism. The deficit inherited by the Tories was due to saving the banking system - that's the deficit that the Tories have only made worse in 7 years of wasted government!

Hansy 09 Jun 17 10.54am
Originally posted by serial thriller People saying this is a defeat....this is the worst possible result for the Tories. No. That would of been if Labour won. Edited by Hansy (09 Jun 2017 10.55am)

Hansy

09 Jun 17 10.54am

Originally posted by serial thriller

People saying this is a defeat....this is the worst possible result for the Tories.

No. That would of been if Labour won.

Edited by Hansy (09 Jun 2017 10.55am)

Hrolf The Ganger 09 Jun 17 10.54am
Originally posted by nickgusset Oh the irony, May using terrorist sympathisers the DUP to prop up a failed government. Which of course is far worse than using the deaths of innocent children to make political capital from policing cuts? Run along.

Hrolf The Ganger

09 Jun 17 10.54am

Originally posted by nickgusset

Oh the irony, May using terrorist sympathisers the DUP to prop up a failed government.

Which of course is far worse than using the deaths of innocent children to make political capital from policing cuts?

Run along.

Kermit8 Hevon 09 Jun 17 10.59am
What the foreign press and politicians are saying: [Link] Interesting stuff Big chest and massive boobs [Link]

Kermit8

Hevon 09 Jun 17 10.59am

What the foreign press and politicians are saying:

[Link]

Interesting stuff

Big chest and massive boobs

[Link]

Hansy 09 Jun 17 10.59am
Originally posted by CambridgeEagle Pretty sure May has to cop quite a lot of the blame for this result. She does. She made it into a presidential campaign, but Corbyn was the one that campaigned like it was. He deserves massive credit for the swing in polls. It will be interesting to see the next steps for Labour now. Edited by Hansy (09 Jun 2017 11.00am)

Hansy

09 Jun 17 10.59am

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

Pretty sure May has to cop quite a lot of the blame for this result.

She does. She made it into a presidential campaign, but Corbyn was the one that campaigned like it was. He deserves massive credit for the swing in polls.

It will be interesting to see the next steps for Labour now.

Edited by Hansy (09 Jun 2017 11.00am)

Rudi Hedman Caterham 09 Jun 17 11.00am
Why is Gina Miller on tv night and day now? When is her own documentary? Who do you think you are? COYP

Rudi Hedman

Caterham 09 Jun 17 11.00am

Why is Gina Miller on tv night and day now?

When is her own documentary?

Who do you think you are?

COYP

Kermit8 Hevon 09 Jun 17 11.02am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Which of course is far worse than using the deaths of innocent children to make political capital from policing cuts? Run along. The police themselves were highlighting their manning problems after the attacks and they are an institution that is tradionally on the right-wing. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]

Kermit8

Hevon 09 Jun 17 11.02am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Which of course is far worse than using the deaths of innocent children to make political capital from policing cuts?

Run along.

The police themselves were highlighting their manning problems after the attacks and they are an institution that is tradionally on the right-wing.

Big chest and massive boobs

[Link]

serial thriller The Promised Land 09 Jun 17 11.02am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays National insanity. I was completely wrong and I am humbled on that score. Enough voted for the politics of serial thriller.....they literally just fecked Brexit. Anyone who voted Corbyn is responsible for what comes next. The EU will be celebrating over this for sure. Nothing to be done over extremists here now for sure.....This country is truly fecked. Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Jun 2017 8.30am) People voted for hope. If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

serial thriller

The Promised Land 09 Jun 17 11.02am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

National insanity.

I was completely wrong and I am humbled on that score.

Enough voted for the politics of serial thriller.....they literally just fecked Brexit.

Anyone who voted Corbyn is responsible for what comes next.

The EU will be celebrating over this for sure.

Nothing to be done over extremists here now for sure.....This country is truly fecked.

Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Jun 2017 8.30am)

People voted for hope.

If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

elgrande bedford 09 Jun 17 11.04am
Originally posted by nickgusset Oh the irony, May using terrorist sympathisers the DUP to prop up a failed government. Are there any convicted terrorists in the DUP? always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

elgrande

bedford 09 Jun 17 11.04am

Originally posted by nickgusset

Oh the irony, May using terrorist sympathisers the DUP to prop up a failed government.

Are there any convicted terrorists in the DUP?

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

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