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Originally posted by Plaistow Eagle
Willo TBF you’re predictions are generally pants..!! You’ve been predicting that we’ll be relegated every season since we returned to the Prem - so that’s 8 years and your record is 0% - so entering our 9th season what’s your prediction for this season? Personally I think it will take time for the new players to settle in - but IMO we’ve already got a much better squad than we had this time last year..!! I’m really looking forward to this season - PV is a breath of fresh air and clearly the board are backing him. For me this season is all about building and getting the team to gel - matching last seasons finishing position should be the aim - but will be a much better watch than some of the turgid performances we had to endure last season. Then kick on from there..!! Still think we’ll see 2 or 3 new arrivals yet. Come on Viera and COYP..!! You are absolutely correct !
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Agree on the general concern. There was though one piece on him I read recently that suggests he may not be quite the purist he was once and has developed a slightly more pragmatic streak as he has progressed in his managerial career and got further from his Man City roots. He certainly used a range of formations at Nice and wasn't committed to that form of tactical purity. In fact some of the criticism I'ver seen is that his teams at Nice were frankly muddled without a settled style of play or formation. He was strong on philosophy but weak on tactics. That sort of ties in with what he says here. "Taking risks to score as many goals as possible is something that I am ready to do. What matters for me is getting the most out of my players while playing well. I don’t think there is any system or style of play that is better than another. Great coaches like Mourinho, Wenger or Guardiola have different philosophies, but they have all won, like Antonio Conte has done at Chelsea.” I've just been rewatching the episode in When Eagles Dare when the players and Parish revolted against Holloway and insisted that the Dougie system was reinstated. Let's hope history doesn't repeat! Originally posted by TheBigToePunt
Here's my big concern... Vieira wants to play 'good' football out from the back, and will probably stick with that no matter what. New signings or not, this is still a case of a manager coming in with a 'philosophy' rather than looking at the squad and designing a method that fits the players. What is best between a fixed philosophy and an adaptive one is debatable, but Vieira has never tested his ideas at a club our size in this league. If you're going to commit to a set style of play regardless of the club and squad then you should at least have reason to believe it will be effective. It being what you 'believe in' isn't enough, especially when your new team has no previous history of succeeding that way and that style has led to relegation for so many clubs our size. Right now the players say they are keen, but they would say that. What they want more than anything is to win, and if Vieira isn't as likely to facilitate that as Hodgson or Allardyce were then they will want to go back to the old ways quickly, just as they did in the promotion season. Hopefully we'll get the points we need playing good stuff, but I think if Vieira is going to stick with his tactics through thick and thin then he's far more of a gamble than his relative inexperience alone suggests.
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Originally posted by Willo
Well, I was right 18 times in the PL last season which was nearly 50% of the games played !!
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Originally posted by TheBigToePunt
Here's my big concern... Vieira wants to play 'good' football out from the back, and will probably stick with that no matter what. New signings or not, this is still a case of a manager coming in with a 'philosophy' rather than looking at the squad and designing a method that fits the players. You don't know that and are just phrasing a guess as fact
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Originally posted by thai-eagle
We have for sure raised the quality of our squad in this window. Just hope the manager will be a bit pragmatic when the "play ball out for defence" does not work. I wouldn't hold your breath about compromise on that front. He was trained as a manager at City and it is a core belief apparent from pretty much every interview he's given on his style. When he went to New York I think I'm right in saying that he was prepared to ride out a really sticky start in his first season in the belief it would come good. There he was brought in to replace a manager who was "pragmatic" and had to work within a strict salary cap system where he was unable to go out and buy players who suited his beliefs. Think there may well be compromises made but that is more likely on formation than style - that is the message from his time at Nice where he was far from predictable in how he set up.
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
You don't know that and are just phrasing a guess as fact It's more a reasonable presumption than a guess, based on what Vieira, the players and various people to have worked with Vieira have said in the media, along with the limited highlights I've seen from preseason. If even a mediocre championship side can have great joy disrupting your passing from the back then you probably aren't that good at it, or at least not yet. The Watford game will tell us more. I remember leaving Selhurst after watching us draw with Schalke in De Boers final preseason game, and feeling extremely concerned that his ideology had nothing in common with our club and players. Hopefully we'll see a more pragmatic streak in Vieira. I'm not saying we'll be crap or that Vieira will fail - I very much hope for the opposite of course. Every hope is coupled with a fear though, and mine is that if the manager introduces too great a tactical change too soon, the wheels will come off and not go back on again.
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Originally posted by Davepalace707
When the PV doubters are judging him in what is a very tough run of opening matches, worth bearing in mind how we did in the equivalent fixtures last season. Taking the first ten games bar Brentford, last season we got 5 points out of the 9 matches, scoring 4 and conceding 16 This is very true Dave, and it was only due to Roy having credit in the bank that he rode the storm out, 5 points out of a possible 27 is sacking material territory.
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Originally posted by Gary St.Andrews
This is very true Dave, and it was only due to Roy having credit in the bank that he rode the storm out, 5 points out of a possible 27 is sacking material territory. I suspect that at that early point in the season there wasn't a suitable replacement and Parish didn't / doesn't want the reputation of being a "quick to fire" chairman after the FdB fiasco.
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Originally posted by taylors lovechild
I'm really hoping this goes well. Vieira comes across really well and seems to have a calm almost father-like quality about him, which hopefully gives the youngsters the confidence to grow. Of course it will come down to results and performances, but with patience I think we're at the start of something exciting.
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Originally posted by taylors lovechild
I'm really hoping this goes well. Vieira comes across really well and seems to have a calm almost father-like quality about him, which hopefully gives the youngsters the confidence to grow. Of course it will come down to results and performances, but with patience I think we're at the start of something exciting.
He does seem to have the human touch and read an article about his time at City and this was what stood out apparently. People obviously respected him but he was able to delegate and listen and get people on board. Definitely a smart move to promote Derry as his Palace ears and eyes. As you say it's a results business but this "feels" very different to FdB which is after all a really unhelpful precedent.
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