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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 02 Aug 21 7.31pm

Originally posted by Plaistow Eagle

Willo TBF you’re predictions are generally pants..!!

You’ve been predicting that we’ll be relegated every season since we returned to the Prem - so that’s 8 years and your record is 0% - so entering our 9th season what’s your prediction for this season?

Personally I think it will take time for the new players to settle in - but IMO we’ve already got a much better squad than we had this time last year..!!

I’m really looking forward to this season - PV is a breath of fresh air and clearly the board are backing him.

For me this season is all about building and getting the team to gel - matching last seasons finishing position should be the aim - but will be a much better watch than some of the turgid performances we had to endure last season. Then kick on from there..!!

Still think we’ll see 2 or 3 new arrivals yet.

Come on Viera and COYP..!!

You are absolutely correct !
Alas,prognostication in relation to our fate at the end of the season is certainly not my strong suit!!

 

CT Charlie Flag 02 Aug 21 9.11pm

A friend who has worked for NYCFC recently sent me unsolicited praise for both PV and Kristian Wilson, saying they're two of the very best he's ever worked with, and "even better people outside the football pitch."

I am much more hopeful about their leadership than I am about our collective patience.

 

TheBigToePunt Flag 02 Aug 21 11.25pm

Here's my big concern...

Vieira wants to play 'good' football out from the back, and will probably stick with that no matter what. New signings or not, this is still a case of a manager coming in with a 'philosophy' rather than looking at the squad and designing a method that fits the players.

What is best between a fixed philosophy and an adaptive one is debatable, but Vieira has never tested his ideas at a club our size in this league. If you're going to commit to a set style of play regardless of the club and squad then you should at least have reason to believe it will be effective. It being what you 'believe in' isn't enough, especially when your new team has no previous history of succeeding that way and that style has led to relegation for so many clubs our size.

Right now the players say they are keen, but they would say that. What they want more than anything is to win, and if Vieira isn't as likely to facilitate that as Hodgson or Allardyce were then they will want to go back to the old ways quickly, just as they did in the promotion season.

Hopefully we'll get the points we need playing good stuff, but I think if Vieira is going to stick with his tactics through thick and thin then he's far more of a gamble than his relative inexperience alone suggests.

 

Omph Flag Liverpool 03 Aug 21 1.12am

Agree on the general concern.

There was though one piece on him I read recently that suggests he may not be quite the purist he was once and has developed a slightly more pragmatic streak as he has progressed in his managerial career and got further from his Man City roots.

He certainly used a range of formations at Nice and wasn't committed to that form of tactical purity. In fact some of the criticism I'ver seen is that his teams at Nice were frankly muddled without a settled style of play or formation. He was strong on philosophy but weak on tactics.

That sort of ties in with what he says here.

"Taking risks to score as many goals as possible is something that I am ready to do. What matters for me is getting the most out of my players while playing well. I don’t think there is any system or style of play that is better than another. Great coaches like Mourinho, Wenger or Guardiola have different philosophies, but they have all won, like Antonio Conte has done at Chelsea.”

I've just been rewatching the episode in When Eagles Dare when the players and Parish revolted against Holloway and insisted that the Dougie system was reinstated. Let's hope history doesn't repeat!


Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

Here's my big concern...

Vieira wants to play 'good' football out from the back, and will probably stick with that no matter what. New signings or not, this is still a case of a manager coming in with a 'philosophy' rather than looking at the squad and designing a method that fits the players.

What is best between a fixed philosophy and an adaptive one is debatable, but Vieira has never tested his ideas at a club our size in this league. If you're going to commit to a set style of play regardless of the club and squad then you should at least have reason to believe it will be effective. It being what you 'believe in' isn't enough, especially when your new team has no previous history of succeeding that way and that style has led to relegation for so many clubs our size.

Right now the players say they are keen, but they would say that. What they want more than anything is to win, and if Vieira isn't as likely to facilitate that as Hodgson or Allardyce were then they will want to go back to the old ways quickly, just as they did in the promotion season.

Hopefully we'll get the points we need playing good stuff, but I think if Vieira is going to stick with his tactics through thick and thin then he's far more of a gamble than his relative inexperience alone suggests.

 

BlueJay Flag UK 03 Aug 21 2.27am

Originally posted by Willo

Well, I was right 18 times in the PL last season which was nearly 50% of the games played !!

. Well if you perpetually predict defeat, let's just hope you're less accurate in your predictions next season!

 

Gary St.Andrews Flag Kenley 03 Aug 21 7.35am

Another trip into the unknown for us and one I’m looking forward to. A tough tackling box to box midfielder he was, and he will expect the same from his team. It’s been well mentioned that he wants to play the passing game and feed our attackers early and in dangerous positions, which is what we want.

A far cry from how Roy got us to play, so everybody has got their wish. Can you imagine Connor Gallagher breaking up play and feeding Wilfred, Tekkers and Eze early in the last third of the pitch?

Sure we will get some beatings, but hopefully nothing like last year where our defence was always in the treatment room and it showed in our goals against column.

I think we are in for an interesting season for a change…

 

Midlands Eagle Flag 03 Aug 21 8.05am

Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

Here's my big concern...

Vieira wants to play 'good' football out from the back, and will probably stick with that no matter what. New signings or not, this is still a case of a manager coming in with a 'philosophy' rather than looking at the squad and designing a method that fits the players.

You don't know that and are just phrasing a guess as fact

 

thai-eagle Flag chiang mai 03 Aug 21 8.36am

We have for sure raised the quality of our squad in this window. Just hope the manager will be a bit pragmatic when the "play ball out for defence" does not work.
Our DNA consists of hard work and quick breaks. Joachim Andersen showed last season that he is capable of some great, long passes.

 

Omph Flag Liverpool 03 Aug 21 9.35am

Originally posted by thai-eagle

We have for sure raised the quality of our squad in this window. Just hope the manager will be a bit pragmatic when the "play ball out for defence" does not work.
Our DNA consists of hard work and quick breaks. Joachim Andersen showed last season that he is capable of some great, long passes.

I wouldn't hold your breath about compromise on that front. He was trained as a manager at City and it is a core belief apparent from pretty much every interview he's given on his style.

When he went to New York I think I'm right in saying that he was prepared to ride out a really sticky start in his first season in the belief it would come good. There he was brought in to replace a manager who was "pragmatic" and had to work within a strict salary cap system where he was unable to go out and buy players who suited his beliefs.

Think there may well be compromises made but that is more likely on formation than style - that is the message from his time at Nice where he was far from predictable in how he set up.

 

Davepalace707 Flag Northumberland 03 Aug 21 9.39am

When the PV doubters are judging him in what is a very tough run of opening matches, worth bearing in mind how we did in the equivalent fixtures last season. Taking the first ten games bar Brentford, last season we got 5 points out of the 9 matches, scoring 4 and conceding 16

 

TheBigToePunt Flag 03 Aug 21 9.41am

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

You don't know that and are just phrasing a guess as fact

It's more a reasonable presumption than a guess, based on what Vieira, the players and various people to have worked with Vieira have said in the media, along with the limited highlights I've seen from preseason. If even a mediocre championship side can have great joy disrupting your passing from the back then you probably aren't that good at it, or at least not yet.

The Watford game will tell us more. I remember leaving Selhurst after watching us draw with Schalke in De Boers final preseason game, and feeling extremely concerned that his ideology had nothing in common with our club and players. Hopefully we'll see a more pragmatic streak in Vieira.

I'm not saying we'll be crap or that Vieira will fail - I very much hope for the opposite of course. Every hope is coupled with a fear though, and mine is that if the manager introduces too great a tactical change too soon, the wheels will come off and not go back on again.

 

Gary St.Andrews Flag Kenley 03 Aug 21 9.45am

Originally posted by Davepalace707

When the PV doubters are judging him in what is a very tough run of opening matches, worth bearing in mind how we did in the equivalent fixtures last season. Taking the first ten games bar Brentford, last season we got 5 points out of the 9 matches, scoring 4 and conceding 16

This is very true Dave, and it was only due to Roy having credit in the bank that he rode the storm out, 5 points out of a possible 27 is sacking material territory.

 

southnorwoodhill Flag 03 Aug 21 9.53am

Originally posted by Gary St.Andrews

This is very true Dave, and it was only due to Roy having credit in the bank that he rode the storm out, 5 points out of a possible 27 is sacking material territory.

I suspect that at that early point in the season there wasn't a suitable replacement and Parish didn't / doesn't want the reputation of being a "quick to fire" chairman after the FdB fiasco.
I expect Parish realises that with Vieira this is very much a work in progress no matter how we start the season. Plenty to look forward to!

 

Davepalace707 Flag Northumberland 03 Aug 21 10.06am

Just to clarify - I was looking at the first 9 games this season bar Brentford, and comparing with the results we got in those fixtures last season - eg in our first 3 games this season - Chelsea we lost 0-4, Spurs (H) 1-1, Liverpool 0-2. Trying to make the point that these first games for PV are tough matches.

 

maddog Flag Wiltshire 05 Aug 21 8.26pm

Sky Sports is today quoting Vieira as saying that he has has a “good conversation” with Wilf and hopes he will stay at Palace.

Meanwhile The Athletic is quoting Nuno as saying this about Kane “I have not spoken to him yet”.

I think we have the right manager!

 

Aray Flag South London 05 Aug 21 8.51pm

I’m looking forward to the new season in a way I’ve not for 4 years. We all know how badly that turned out but it’s worth remembering we do still have an experienced team.

Yes a lot of players have left but most of them were not key performers. Jeez most of them weren’t fit to even get on the bench.

This means PV can take his time to impose a new style. As FdB promised he would.

I too have read that PV’s tactical approach at Nice suggests he’s not the purist that his Man City past would have you believe.

Most importantly, we’ve actually bought some promising youth. I’m most excited by the defensive additions.

Ball playing good defenders are hard to source and we’ve not had the funds - outside of Sakho - to get real young quality. Mate of mine who follows Fulham says we’ve got a gem in Andersen.

So fingers crossed we can retain some Royball at the start of the season. Keep it tight and sneak a draw or win until we have time to move into a new style.

 

taylors lovechild Flag 13 Aug 21 4.13pm

I'm really hoping this goes well. Vieira comes across really well and seems to have a calm almost father-like quality about him, which hopefully gives the youngsters the confidence to grow. Of course it will come down to results and performances, but with patience I think we're at the start of something exciting.

 

doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 13 Aug 21 4.20pm

Originally posted by taylors lovechild

I'm really hoping this goes well. Vieira comes across really well and seems to have a calm almost father-like quality about him, which hopefully gives the youngsters the confidence to grow. Of course it will come down to results and performances, but with patience I think we're at the start of something exciting.


Agreed, but we'll need a lot of luck injury-wise this season - namely our long term lads back earlier than expected and no new long-term problems.

 

Omph Flag Liverpool 13 Aug 21 6.42pm

Originally posted by taylors lovechild

I'm really hoping this goes well. Vieira comes across really well and seems to have a calm almost father-like quality about him, which hopefully gives the youngsters the confidence to grow. Of course it will come down to results and performances, but with patience I think we're at the start of something exciting.

He does seem to have the human touch and read an article about his time at City and this was what stood out apparently. People obviously respected him but he was able to delegate and listen and get people on board. Definitely a smart move to promote Derry as his Palace ears and eyes.

As you say it's a results business but this "feels" very different to FdB which is after all a really unhelpful precedent.

 

Palace Old Geezer Flag Midhurst 13 Aug 21 7.03pm

He spoke well at the presser today and answered questions with patience. He clearly understands that he's taken on a tough job, but seems to be relishing the challenge it presents him.

I have to say I'm more excited about the coming season than I have been for some years now.

There's a lot going on in our club in a very positive way. Should be fun. Can't wait.

 


Dad and I watched games standing on the muddy slope of the Holmesdale Road end. He cheered and I rattled.

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