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HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 28 Apr 24 12.43am

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Trying to defend the BBC over their supposed impartiality is one thing. Finding excuses for their inactivity over a sex offender is something else. There were victims of his abuse who are the most important part of this but like the grooming cases they are secondary to trying to protect those in authority.

What do you expect? The BBC sycophant in full flight

 


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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 28 Apr 24 7.04am

According to today's Times Huw Edwards has previous for inappropriate behaviour and was spoken to by BBC management at least on 2 occasions circa 2021.

The article is behind a paywall but other papers are reporting the gist of the Times story.

So the BBC already knew that they had a problem before the latest allegations surfaced.

 


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becky Flag over the moon 28 Apr 24 7.39am

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

He was still working for them in 1988. A while ago but not exactly the dark ages.
Why should rumours stop at middle management? Did no one move from middle to senior management?[/quote]

Dead men's shoes - and once you finally get invited to join the exclusive club, you sure don't start rocking the boat


Edited by becky (28 Apr 2024 7.40am)

 


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Spiderman Flag Horsham 28 Apr 24 7.41am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Been great fun.

Banking crisis, pandemic and wars topped by the biggest political own goal of my lifetime, Brexit. One which could easily have been avoided by some simple organisation of the defence.

Nothing left involved in any of it though.

So are you blaming the Tories for the pandemic and wars? I believe it was a Labour PM, who, whilst in the pocket of the US, assisted in opening up the tinderbox that is the Middle East.
Yes the Tories have mad a complete pigs ear of governing and seem to be getting worse by the day but to put the blame on them for the above is wrong. Surprised you didn’t mention Trump

 

Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 28 Apr 24 8.33am

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

He was still working for them in 1988. A while ago but not exactly the dark ages.
Why should rumours stop at middle management? Did no one move from middle to senior management?

As I have said several times the BBC have accepted their failings and taken steps to ensure they aren’t repeated. I have also pointed out that without actual evidence taking action isn’t possible. Lots of rumours raises suspicions but they aren’t enough. It wasn’t just the BBC. His activities at both Broadmoor and Stoke Mandeville were missed by the NHS for years.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 28 Apr 24 8.42am

Originally posted by Spiderman

So are you blaming the Tories for the pandemic and wars? I believe it was a Labour PM, who, whilst in the pocket of the US, assisted in opening up the tinderbox that is the Middle East.
Yes the Tories have mad a complete pigs ear of governing and seem to be getting worse by the day but to put the blame on them for the above is wrong. Surprised you didn’t mention Trump

Not at all. I am pointing out that events often dominate the agenda that politicians of every stripe need to adopt. The comment was part of the response to the idea that the “left” are to blame for everything. Even Blair was hardly very left was he?

 


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Teddy Eagle Flag 28 Apr 24 8.48am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

As I have said several times the BBC have accepted their failings and taken steps to ensure they aren’t repeated. I have also pointed out that without actual evidence taking action isn’t possible. Lots of rumours raises suspicions but they aren’t enough. It wasn’t just the BBC. His activities at both Broadmoor and Stoke Mandeville were missed by the NHS for years.

Yes, they were but I imagine it's harder to find reliable witnesses among Broadmoor inmates than in the wider public.
And as has been said there's a difference between being unaware of something and ignoring it.

 

Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 28 Apr 24 9.03am

Originally posted by becky


Dead men's shoes - and once you finally get invited to join the exclusive club, you sure don't start rocking the boat


Edited by becky (28 Apr 2024 7.40am)

I think that used to be the case 50 or 60 years ago but not now.

When I was a kid I had a near neighbour about my age who was not very bright, quiet, unassuming and barely noticeable. When she started to work at the BBC as a secretary I thought she had found her level. It was therefore a surprise when some years later her name, which is distinctive, started to pop up in the credits. She went on to produce some of the best known light entertainment shows and spent her entire working life with the BBC.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 28 Apr 24 9.08am

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Yes, they were but I imagine it's harder to find reliable witnesses among Broadmoor inmates than in the wider public.
And as has been said there's a difference between being unaware of something and ignoring it.

There’s a lot of staff at both Broadmoor and Stoke Mandeville. He was regarded as an untouchable hero at both.

I don’t doubt for a moment that those with suspicions felt stymied and frustrated but you cannot act without evidence. That’s not ignoring anything. It’s facing reality.

 


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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 28 Apr 24 9.15am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

There’s a lot of staff at both Broadmoor and Stoke Mandeville. He was regarded as an untouchable hero at both.

I don’t doubt for a moment that those with suspicions felt stymied and frustrated but you cannot act without evidence. That’s not ignoring anything. It’s facing reality.

Isn't that the point, no one be it Huw Edwards or Jimmy Saville or the DG of the BBC should be untouchable. Because public institutions like the NHS and the BBC allowed those situations to develop it was a recipe for disaster.

The BBC still has not learned it's lesson. Multiple allegations against Edwards over multiple years by multiple people and they couldn't see he was toxic.

 


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Teddy Eagle Flag 28 Apr 24 9.16am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

There’s a lot of staff at both Broadmoor and Stoke Mandeville. He was regarded as an untouchable hero at both.

I don’t doubt for a moment that those with suspicions felt stymied and frustrated but you cannot act without evidence. That’s not ignoring anything. It’s facing reality.

Not as much reality as his victims have had to face.

 

Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 28 Apr 24 9.31am

Originally posted by Badger11

Isn't that the point, no one be it Huw Edwards or Jimmy Saville or the DG of the BBC should be untouchable. Because public institutions like the NHS and the BBC allowed those situations to develop it was a recipe for disaster.

The BBC still has not learned it's lesson. Multiple allegations against Edwards over multiple years by multiple people and they couldn't see he was toxic.

I think we must wait and see if that is true or not. That evidence is emerging that there might have been other complaints doesn’t mean they weren’t investigated and found untrue or unproven. What it means is that there is now a system whereby such complaints can be lodged. You would not expect them to be publicised!

I think that is evidence that the BBC has learned its lesson and that no one is untouchable.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 28 Apr 24 9.32am

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Not as much reality as his victims have had to face.

Probably not but reality nevertheless.

 


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Teddy Eagle Flag 28 Apr 24 9.39am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

As I have said several times the BBC have accepted their failings and taken steps to ensure they aren’t repeated. I have also pointed out that without actual evidence taking action isn’t possible. Lots of rumours raises suspicions but they aren’t enough. It wasn’t just the BBC. His activities at both Broadmoor and Stoke Mandeville were missed by the NHS for years.

The steps they took weren't very effective. This is about Huw Edwards.

The BBC accepted there were "lessons to be learned following this exercise", and the organisation's group chief operating officer will assess whether protocols and procedures are appropriate.

 

Badger11 Flag Beckenham 28 Apr 24 9.57am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I think we must wait and see if that is true or not. That evidence is emerging that there might have been other complaints doesn’t mean they weren’t investigated and found untrue or unproven. What it means is that there is now a system whereby such complaints can be lodged. You would not expect them to be publicised!

I think that is evidence that the BBC has learned its lesson and that no one is untouchable.

I think the evidence is showing that after 2 separate complaints they then received another complaint from a member of the public about their child and did very little about it.

You would think that once a person has been investigated for inappropriate behaviour even if there was little or no evidence to support that claim, that further complaints from different people would at least ring alarm bells.

So no I don't think the BBC has learned its lesson. It only acted when the complainer went public.

 


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Teddy Eagle Flag 28 Apr 24 10.05am

Originally posted by Badger11

I think the evidence is showing that after 2 separate complaints they then received another complaint from a member of the public about their child and did very little about it.

You would think that once a person has been investigated for inappropriate behaviour even if there was little or no evidence to support that claim, that further complaints from different people would at least ring alarm bells.

So no I don't think the BBC has learned its lesson. It only acted when the complainer went public.

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eagleman13 Flag On The Road To Hell & Alicante 28 Apr 24 10.24am

This will please Wisbeach(unfortunately} The bbc wants more funding for its world service on top of the £100m it gets from the FO to promote 'UK values' . . . [Link]

 


This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

Badger11 Flag Beckenham 28 Apr 24 10.28am

Pretty damming about BBC procedures and if the latest revelations are true about previous complaints it just makes it worse.

I didn't understand the comment that the BBC would not put complaints to a member of staff until verified.

If I was innocent and management had a file on me I would be livid that they had not spoken to me even if the complaints were false, very odd.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 28 Apr 24 8.22pm

Originally posted by Badger11

I think the evidence is showing that after 2 separate complaints they then received another complaint from a member of the public about their child and did very little about it.

You would think that once a person has been investigated for inappropriate behaviour even if there was little or no evidence to support that claim, that further complaints from different people would at least ring alarm bells.

So no I don't think the BBC has learned its lesson. It only acted when the complainer went public.

Untrue. It was investigating before that. The first stage of which, understandably, was to verify identities, which was stymied by a lack of responses from the family member complainant. The lack of a response and subsequent contacting of the Sun carries a nasty odour and raises red flags about possible motivations.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 28 Apr 24 8.26pm

I think that timeline shows that the BBC acted reasonably at all stages. You could argue they could have done more early on but until they are satisfied the complainant is who they say they are you can also argue they ought not to.

 


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