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Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 30 Nov 23 9.39am Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

This week there was a poll suggesting a large number of Jewish people have considered leaving the UK, but what exactly does that mean.

Q. Are you considering leaving the UK due to antisemitism?

A. Let me think about this for a moment, err no not really.

So the answer is Yes, because you just considered it.

"99% of Palace fans have considered watching Rugby instead".

That one could be true at some point, or various points, every year.

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 30 Nov 23 10.23am Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Brexiteers are dying out, Ms. Van Leyden is anticipating the coming generation of Brits already largely in place.

The British PM, whose days are hopefully numbered, his boorish anti-EU culture war demonstrated in the HOC yesterday.

Of course nobody will admit that Brexit is a colossal failure, perhaps Farage, or especially that the end of free movement has, in fact, led to record uncontrolled immigration.

Small boats and small minds


 

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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 02 Dec 23 6.17pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

'Low cognitive ability' gave us Brexit, according to University of Bath scientists.

'By leaving the EU controlled immigration will lead to reduced NHS waiting times for you and your loved ones'

How did 52% believe that, look at it now, it is just ridiculous.

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We are more susceptible the more we are swamped by technology media and forthcoming AI will make it worse.


 

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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 02 Dec 23 6.30pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

'Low cognitive ability' gave us Brexit, according to University of Bath scientists.

'By leaving the EU controlled immigration will lead to reduced NHS waiting times for you and your loved ones'

How did 52% believe that, look at it now, it is just ridiculous.

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We are more susceptible the more we are swamped by technology media and forthcoming AI will make it worse.


I'm glad we agree on something. I saw a report the other day that 600 plus bank branches have closed this year and the rate is escalating.

The failure of Brexit if you can call it that (I don't) is that the politicians have betrayed the voters yet again.

We were told that we couldn't control immigration due to the EU rules having used up that excuse they they made it even easier for people to come here .

Meanwhile our economy is undergoing a seismic change which no one is sure how it will play out. At the same time we have record numbers of people not working for various reason and record numbers of people most with little skills coming to this country.

Students are allowed to apply for a visa and guess what they bring their family all perfectly legal but doesn't help our public services.

The choice at the next GE is to vote for a pro EU, pro immigration party or to vote for the liars who have been running this country for the last 13 years.

 


One more point

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 02 Dec 23 7.22pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

I'm glad we agree on something. I saw a report the other day that 600 plus bank branches have closed this year and the rate is escalating.

The failure of Brexit if you can call it that (I don't) is that the politicians have betrayed the voters yet again.

We were told that we couldn't control immigration due to the EU rules having used up that excuse they they made it even easier for people to come here .

Meanwhile our economy is undergoing a seismic change which no one is sure how it will play out. At the same time we have record numbers of people not working for various reason and record numbers of people most with little skills coming to this country.

Students are allowed to apply for a visa and guess what they bring their family all perfectly legal but doesn't help our public services.

The choice at the next GE is to vote for a pro EU, pro immigration party or to vote for the liars who have been running this country for the last 13 years.

Overcoming the benefit culture is certainly a priority in my view but it’s going to take time, effort and investment in training and support.

I am not so sure that most of the new arrivals have little skills. The illegals certainly but most are arriving on visas to fill shortage occupations the bulk of which require skills and qualifications.

Students and their family members will normally be granted visas which state “no access to public funds”. They will need to demonstrate they can support themselves before a visa is granted. So the exposure to benefit cost seems limited. They can though work.

Additionally the rules change from the start of 2024 when only international students on post-grad research projects will be allowed to bring dependents.

I don’t think any political party is “pro-immigration”. I think they are all just responding to the need to ensure a functioning economy and, in particular, a functioning health service.

Having long term aspirations in which all the feckless work because they have no other option and a comprehensive retraining programme exists to move those people whose jobs are made redundant by AI is set up is fine. If that means we can eventually reduce net migration to nil so be it. We do whatever floats the boat.

However, until that is achieved, what do you think we should do? Just accept a health service already in crisis failing completely? Let the crops rot in the fields because we cannot find local people prepared to do the work for the money on offer? That money being all that the farmers can afford because we expect cheap food?

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards georgenorman Flag 02 Dec 23 7.53pm Send a Private Message to georgenorman Add georgenorman as a friend

Just cut unemployment pay substantially and, lo and behold, people will take jobs.

 

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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 02 Dec 23 8.08pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

'Excess funding, that would otherwise be sent to Brussels, will be re-directed to education, meaning better prospects for your children'.

 

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Teddy Eagle Flag 03 Dec 23 7.38am Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

A French national?


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the silurian Flag The garden of England.(not really) 03 Dec 23 7.59am Send a Private Message to the silurian Add the silurian as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

A French national?


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How many like this are getting off the dinghys and lifeboats in Dover and being paid for by the British taxpayers?

 

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 03 Dec 23 6.05pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by georgenorman

Just cut unemployment pay substantially and, lo and behold, people will take jobs.

The way things are structured they would just claim other benefits.

This is not an easy problem to solve. No one can permit a situation in which children go hungry or homelessness increases. It’s easier, and probably cheaper, to leave things as they are but it’s not healthy in the long term.

Sorting out the genuinely needy from the feckless and lazy needs effort and that costs.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 03 Dec 23 6.18pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

 


'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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cryrst Flag The garden of England 03 Dec 23 6.25pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

The way things are structured they would just claim other benefits.

This is not an easy problem to solve. No one can permit a situation in which children go hungry or homelessness increases. It’s easier, and probably cheaper, to leave things as they are but it’s not healthy in the long term.

Sorting out the genuinely needy from the feckless and lazy needs effort and that costs.

There are some who are a lost cause so they aren’t worth affecting but there are many on benefits who will be in a worse financial position by being employed. Maybe if the incentive was to be in a better position for making the effort.
Ie if someone has a benefit income inc reductions in rent and council tax etc of £1500 a month say. Then if they get a job then put them in a better position. So they earn £1000 a month give them another £1000. That’s a £500 incentive to work. Over time with pay rises etc keep the equation. That way hmg pay less and the person gets on the job ladder and realises it’s not that bad. Eventually the wages may be enough to have no benefits and independence makes them feel better. The sums and how to is probably not easy but just a thought.

 

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