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Only A Five-Year Ban For Yorke Abuse?
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 the despotic banana  Dept. of Baboon Maintenance 24 Nov 04 3.06pm |
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Okay, the £1,000 fine is hefty, but shouldn't this bloke be banned for life?
The chairman of the bench even said himself: "There is no place in football or anywhere else for racist behaviour." Well, only for the next five years apparently...
Ask me about Ronald de Boer.
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supercrystalpalace  My name is Jack :) 24 Nov 04 3.10pm |
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I dont think the fine is hefty at all, if he was stupid enough to so obviously racially abuse Yorke, in front on god-knows how many cameras then he deserves it. As for the 5 year ban, thats stupid, it should be for life.
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| se19_palace RASCLARTING ABOUT SOOOOLECTARRR 24 Nov 04 3.12pm |
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personaly i thaught it was all a bit much for itchy armpits.
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| Danger Playa del Merstham 24 Nov 04 3.24pm |
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I think that's pretty fair.
On the other hand, does anyone think the FA should charge Yorke with improper conduct for confronting the fans. Someone of his stature should know to walk away and behave properly.
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jcreedy  24 Nov 04 3.36pm |
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Quote Danger at 24 Nov 2004 3:24pm
I think that's pretty fair.
On the other hand, does anyone think the FA should charge Yorke with improper conduct for confronting the fans. Someone of his stature should know to walk away and behave properly.
I don't see why players and managers should be treated so harshly by the FA when they are verbally abused. If somebody gives you stick, you should be entitled to have your say back. Yorke should have kung-fu kicked him out into the road
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robbo  Coventry 24 Nov 04 3.49pm |
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all it is making an example from some-one
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| Legal Eagle A town where fog lights shine, eve... 24 Nov 04 4.21pm |
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Quote Danger at 24 Nov 2004 3:24pm
I think that's pretty fair.
On the other hand, does anyone think the FA should charge Yorke with improper conduct for confronting the fans. Someone of his stature should know to walk away and behave properly.
Have you ever suffered racial abuse then? Exactly.
And yes, it should be for life. As despotic says, its unacceptable, but just for 5 years.
It's just a matter of crossing the i's and dotting the t's
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| gambler Kent 24 Nov 04 4.24pm |
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I thought Yorke actually handled it pretty well. Why should he walk away? If he had walked away the bloke would have got away with it. He approached the arsehole and didn't start getting agressive with him, just tried to talk to him.
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| Jay_Palace 24 Nov 04 4.43pm |
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Just to put a different slant on this discussion, but is having monkey noises/gestures directed at you any worse than being abused because of your height, hair colour, sexual orientation, nationality etc.
I'm not condoning what happened in the Blackburn Blues game, but it begs the question, how is it that a racial slur can be perceived to be so much more serious than any other slights on individual characteristics, which are equally unavoidable? Would chating FREEEEEEEEEAK at Peter Crouch entitle him to confront the fans abusing him and then subsequently lead to a heavy fine and a ban for the prepetrators?
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Jake d'Eagle  in the section labelled 'shirts', ... 24 Nov 04 4.48pm |
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He also made sure the cameras caught it, I think that the abuse was wrong and the bloke was a pissed idiot who wouldn't have done exactly what he did if it hadn't happened in Spain.
I just don't see why the racial dimension of this is being played up so much, if Dwight Yorke was that 'devastated' he wouldn't have come on as a sub 2 minutes later.
For the English tabloid press to make a moral stance on this is just ludicrous. (remember the "Achtung ! Surrender" headline)
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| the despotic banana Dept. of Baboon Maintenance 24 Nov 04 4.49pm |
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Quote Jay_Palace at 24 Nov 2004 4:43pm
Just to put a different slant on this discussion, but is having monkey noises/gestures directed at you any worse than being abused because of your height, hair colour, sexual orientation, nationality etc.
Saying racial and sexual abuse is akin to being taunted about height and hair colour is ridiculous. Although bullying of any kind is wrong , obviously.
Hitler never gassed several million lanky gingers...
Ask me about Ronald de Boer.
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| Jay_Palace 24 Nov 04 5.01pm |
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Quote the despotic banana at 24 Nov 2004 4:49pm
Quote Jay_Palace at 24 Nov 2004 4:43pm
Just to put a different slant on this discussion, but is having monkey noises/gestures directed at you any worse than being abused because of your height, hair colour, sexual orientation, nationality etc.
Saying racial and sexual abuse is akin to being taunted about height and hair colour is ridiculous. Although bullying of any kind is wrong , obviously.
Hitler never gassed several million lanky gingers...
Explain please? Why is making derogratory comments about someone's racial background any worse than insulting someone because of their height/hair colour? I was heavily bullied when I was 8 for being very tall for my age, yet had I been racially abused, it would have been perceived as far more serious. Why?
I've yet to be given a valid reason why racism should be treated as the mother and father of all insults.
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| the despotic banana Dept. of Baboon Maintenance 24 Nov 04 5.16pm |
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Quote Jay_Palace at 24 Nov 2004 5:01pm
I've yet to be given a valid reason why racism should be treated as the mother and father of all insults.
People have been killed in their millions because of racial hatred. Does that not tell you something?
Ask me about Ronald de Boer.
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| Jay_Palace 24 Nov 04 5.22pm |
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Quote the despotic banana at 24 Nov 2004 5:16pm
Quote Jay_Palace at 24 Nov 2004 5:01pm
I've yet to be given a valid reason why racism should be treated as the mother and father of all insults.
People have been killed in their millions because of racial hatred. Does that not tell you something?
Yes it does, but in an entirely different context which is totally irrelevent to what i'm trying to argue.
Are you sugesting that making monkey noises at a black player is linked with people being killed in the past because of racial hatred?
Edited by Jay_Palace (24 Nov 2004 5:26pm)
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| madcap #winning 24 Nov 04 5.33pm |
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Quote Jay_Palace at 24 Nov 2004 5:22pm
Quote the despotic banana at 24 Nov 2004 5:16pm
Quote Jay_Palace at 24 Nov 2004 5:01pm
I've yet to be given a valid reason why racism should be treated as the mother and father of all insults.
People have been killed in their millions because of racial hatred. Does that not tell you something?
Yes it does, but in an entirely different context which is totally irrelevent to what i'm trying to argue.
Are you sugesting that making monkey noises at a black player is linked with people being killed in the past because of racial hatred?
Edited by Jay_Palace (24 Nov 2004 5:26pm)
No...making monkey noises at a black player is aimed at making someone feel sub-human as in the days of slavery which is totally unacceptable. Abuse about hair colour and height is totally different.
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| kav The Helicopter View 24 Nov 04 5.42pm |
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This is ridiculous.
Next Jay_Palace,you`ll be saying that about people being critical of what other people WEAR.I think it`s called "wearist"?
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| Jay_Palace 24 Nov 04 5.44pm |
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Quote madcap at 24 Nov 2004 5:33pm
Quote Jay_Palace at 24 Nov 2004 5:22pm
Quote the despotic banana at 24 Nov 2004 5:16pm
Quote Jay_Palace at 24 Nov 2004 5:01pm
I've yet to be given a valid reason why racism should be treated as the mother and father of all insults.
People have been killed in their millions because of racial hatred. Does that not tell you something?
Yes it does, but in an entirely different context which is totally irrelevent to what i'm trying to argue.
Are you sugesting that making monkey noises at a black player is linked with people being killed in the past because of racial hatred?
Edited by Jay_Palace (24 Nov 2004 5:26pm)
No...making monkey noises at a black player is aimed at making someone feel sub-human as in the days of slavery which is totally unacceptable. Abuse about hair colour and height is totally different.
But why would it make you feel sub human?
The people who make these gestures and noises are morons who are so deluded that it's almost laughable, why their 'opinion' should bother anybody to the extent that it would make them feel sub human, is beyond me.
Obviously people should be stopped by all means from doing this, but we need to be careful where we draw the line. If we are to punish fans for abusing players, then it can't just for abuse directed at the colour of a player's skin.
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| Jay_Palace 24 Nov 04 5.49pm |
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Quote kav at 24 Nov 2004 5:42pm
This is ridiculous.
Next Jay_Palace,you`ll be saying that about people being critical of what other people WEAR.I think it`s called "wearist"?
well where do you draw the line, kav?
The Precedent has been set, whereby a fan making monkey noises at a black player can be heavily fined and banned for a substantial period of time. If something as relitively 'minor' as that can be considered deeply offensive, then you have no choice but to give the same treatment to those who abuse footballers because of their height, hair colour etc.
It sounds ridiculous I agree, but you have to be consistent and not a blithering hypocrite.
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| Jake d'Eagle in the section labelled 'shirts', ... 24 Nov 04 6.00pm |
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we can't stand up, drink or smoke anymore.
Now we can't shout at players.
I called Bellamy an obnoxious Welsh dwarf on Saturday (repeatedly).
This is not a medically accurate fact as he doesn't suffer from dwarfism, and I'm not fully convinced that Welsh isn't a term of abuse anyway.
If I was having the same go at Earnshaw, would it racist ??
NO level playing field as far as I can see.
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| Matt_Hep Block B 24 Nov 04 6.00pm |
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Quote Jay_Palace at 24 Nov 2004 4:43pm
Just to put a different slant on this discussion, but is having monkey noises/gestures directed at you any worse than being abused because of your height, hair colour, sexual orientation, nationality etc.
Spot on. The difference is that black people have a voice whereas the other groups you mentioned are such rare examples that it is just overlooked.
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