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 paperhat  croydon 16 Nov 16 12.06pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Nail bars and barbers - Cash businesses. I wonder how so many of them manage to survive in low income areas, which struggle to support newsagents and small independent businesses - but yet you can get four or five barbers and nail bars in direct competition on the same street.... They're washing something... and it ain't hair. i'm not too sure many of the Mets finest were getting their hair washed/cut either, let alone paying. They may however have been having a party as I did see lots of flashing blue lights.
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 Hrolf The Ganger 16 Nov 16 12.15pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Is bad town planning down to those pesky foreigners? The population is only increasing due to immigration. Therefore the need for thousands of new houses is largely due to that. It's not difficult.
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| Stuk Top half 16 Nov 16 3.20pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Nail bars and barbers - Cash businesses. I wonder how so many of them manage to survive in low income areas, which struggle to support newsagents and small independent businesses - but yet you can get four or five barbers and nail bars in direct competition on the same street.... They're washing something... and it ain't hair. Where the f*** did these things suddenly appear from and why are they seemingly all full of Chinese men in face masks?
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 16 Nov 16 3.41pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
The population is only increasing due to immigration. Therefore the need for thousands of new houses is largely due to that. It's not difficult. You stated that things like doctors and schools seemed to come much later than houses built. I said it was bad town planning. you've turned it into another too many immigrants argument.
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| paperhat croydon 16 Nov 16 3.50pm |
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Originally posted by Stuk
Where the f*** did these things suddenly appear from and why are they seemingly all full of Chinese men in face masks? see, the daily mail was right, it's an invasion.
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| Stuk Top half 16 Nov 16 4.02pm |
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It's weird, that's what it is.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 16 Nov 16 4.12pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
You stated that things like doctors and schools seemed to come much later than houses built. I said it was bad town planning. you've turned it into another too many immigrants argument. FFS There would be no issue without mass migration. It is pointless debating with people who just want to deny reality to uphold some loopy political ideology.
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| OknotOK Cockfosters, London 16 Nov 16 4.25pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
FFS There would be no issue without mass migration. It is pointless debating with people who just want to deny reality to uphold some loopy political ideology. It's true that some of the problems you're talking about would not be as bad without mass migration. *But* they could have been significantly reduced with better planning and infrastructure development running in parallel with the migration. Which did increase tax revenues after all.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 16 Nov 16 4.32pm |
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Originally posted by Stuk
Where the f*** did these things suddenly appear from and why are they seemingly all full of Chinese men in face masks? Nail bars are to money laundering, what massage parlours are to brothels... Chinese organised crime in the UK is big into money laundering - due to links to far eastern banking and Hong Kong. All those cash mules and gangsters have to have a 'legitimate' source of income. Also they're quite handy if you're into people smuggling, for providing 'work permits' etc. Getting actual beauty treatment is as tricky as getting a therapeutic massage.
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| Mr_Gristle In the land of Whelk Eaters 16 Nov 16 4.36pm |
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Originally posted by Stuk
That's why the plug sockets are halfway up the f***ing walls. "Affordable homes" is one of the stupidest f***ing phrases ever, they cost what they cost and everyone can afford one with a job and a mortgage. Maybe not the exact one you want, but that's not the point when it's a "need". Great! Please show me where I can buy somewhere to live and remain within 90 minutes travel of the 50k City job I'd like to keep to pay the mortgage. I have 10k savings too. Oh, I have two kids as well so a 1 bedroom studio flat is out of the question, as is a term longer than 25 years. I'm quite excited at the prospect of being able to buy a home in the Greater London I've spent my life in. Your assertion that anyone with a job can get a mortgage and buy somewhere to live is one of the most ridiculous things I've seen on the Internet in years. Hopefully you were just on a wind up! Edited by Mr_Gristle (16 Nov 2016 4.46pm)
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| Hrolf The Ganger 16 Nov 16 4.37pm |
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Originally posted by OknotOK
It's true that some of the problems you're talking about would not be as bad without mass migration. *But* they could have been significantly reduced with better planning and infrastructure development running in parallel with the migration. Which did increase tax revenues after all. All very well but at what point does it stop? Answer. It won't. It can only increase unless we enforce much tougher restrictions. A break from EU regulations and a reduction in numbers from Africa and Asia is required.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 16 Nov 16 4.40pm |
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Originally posted by Mr_Gristle
Great! Please show me where I can buy somewhere to live and remain within 90 minutes travel of the 50k City job I'd like to keep to pay the mortgage. I have 10k savings too. Oh, I have two kids as well so a 1 bedroom studio flat is out of the question. I'm quite excited at the prospect of being able to buy a home in the Greater London I've spent my life in. How much can you afford?
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| Stuk Top half 16 Nov 16 4.45pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Nail bars are to money laundering, what massage parlours are to brothels... Chinese organised crime in the UK is big into money laundering - due to links to far eastern banking and Hong Kong. All those cash mules and gangsters have to have a 'legitimate' source of income. Also they're quite handy if you're into people smuggling, for providing 'work permits' etc. Getting actual beauty treatment is as tricky as getting a therapeutic massage. Might be for laundering purposes but they always seem to be filing the f*** out of someone's nails. Maybe we should run with India's bright idea of banning nearly all of the currency overnight.
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| Stuk Top half 16 Nov 16 4.50pm |
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Originally posted by Mr_Gristle
Great! Please show me where I can buy somewhere to live and remain within 90 minutes travel of the 50k City job I'd like to keep to pay the mortgage. I have 10k savings too. Oh, I have two kids as well so a 1 bedroom studio flat is out of the question, as is a term longer than 25 years. I'm quite excited at the prospect of being able to buy a home in the Greater London I've spent my life in. Your assertion that anyone with a job can get a mortgage and buy somewhere to live is one of the most ridiculous things I've seen on the Internet in years. Hopefully you were just on a wind up! Edited by Mr_Gristle (16 Nov 2016 4.46pm) Well you'd be able to get a mortgage of between 200 & 225K. I didn't say anyone with a job can get a mortgage, you might have the worst credit history ever and a string of previous defaults. I said everyone can afford one with a job and a mortgage.
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| Mr_Gristle In the land of Whelk Eaters 16 Nov 16 4.51pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
How much can you afford? More a question of how much I can be lent at my age. There's always corners that can be cut budget wise. 1300 a month in rent currently, which is manageable.
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| Stuk Top half 16 Nov 16 4.55pm |
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Originally posted by Mr_Gristle
More a question of how much I can be lent at my age. There's always corners that can be cut budget wise. 1300 a month in rent currently, which is manageable. You'd pay less than that per month on a 225K mortgage, at present fixed term rates.
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| Mr_Gristle In the land of Whelk Eaters 16 Nov 16 4.59pm |
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Originally posted by Stuk
Well you'd be able to get a mortgage of between 200 & 225K. I didn't say anyone with a job can get a mortgage, you might have the worst credit history ever and a string of previous defaults. I said everyone can afford one with a job and a mortgage. Ok, for avoidance of doubt you assertion that anyone who can get a mortgage can buy somewhere to live remains one of the most ridiculous things I've seen on the Internet in recent times. Do some maths involving the average national wage, mortgage multiples and house prices. There redo the sums for hard working people on around the minimum wage. I'm very lucky to have the income I do (it's taken me 30 working years to get there) and , with 3 bed properties (can't sleep a son and daughter together) costing what they do, I wonder how families these days without inheritances to call on can afford to buy in the SE.
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| OknotOK Cockfosters, London 16 Nov 16 5.03pm |
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Originally posted by Mr_Gristle
Great! Please show me where I can buy somewhere to live and remain within 90 minutes travel of the 50k City job I'd like to keep to pay the mortgage. I have 10k savings too. Oh, I have two kids as well so a 1 bedroom studio flat is out of the question, as is a term longer than 25 years. I'm quite excited at the prospect of being able to buy a home in the Greater London I've spent my life in. Your assertion that anyone with a job can get a mortgage and buy somewhere to live is one of the most ridiculous things I've seen on the Internet in years. Hopefully you were just on a wind up! Edited by Mr_Gristle (16 Nov 2016 4.46pm) It is hard. But the point is valid to an extent. I struggle to understand how people can afford to live in most places within the M25, but there are areas outside. Stevenage, Hatfield, Hitchen all north of London have easy commutes into Kings Cross/Moorgate, for example. And you can pick up houses there for under £300k. There will be similar places East and South of London as well. They do exist. I pity the next generation - my three kids are going to be relying heavily on me either popping my clogs early or downsizing massively and giving them a bucketload. But at the moment it is still just viable
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| Mr_Gristle In the land of Whelk Eaters 16 Nov 16 5.04pm |
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Originally posted by Stuk
You'd pay less than that per month on a 225K mortgage, at present fixed term rates. I dont doubt that, but how many 3 bed gaffs come in at that price down here?
Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune) |
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| Hrolf The Ganger 16 Nov 16 5.06pm |
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Originally posted by Mr_Gristle
More a question of how much I can be lent at my age. There's always corners that can be cut budget wise. 1300 a month in rent currently, which is manageable. Well my missus gets the fast link from down here in Kent and she is in to London in less than 40 minutes. Property is considerably cheaper here too.
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