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.TUX. 24 Nov 16 5.31pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 As a translation back into economic reality I think most people would not wish to rack up 1.95 trillion of debt which would be a burden too much for their children and grand children to repay. We don't rack-up the debt, the govt does that. We're just here to service their repayments. I wouldn't mind so much if the money was spent on us (and those who follow), but it isn't and never will be. (Unfortunately) Jamie made some good points Buy Litecoin.

.TUX.

24 Nov 16 5.31pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

As a translation back into economic reality I think most people would not wish to rack up 1.95 trillion of debt which would be a burden too much for their children and grand children to repay.

We don't rack-up the debt, the govt does that. We're just here to service their repayments. I wouldn't mind so much if the money was spent on us (and those who follow), but it isn't and never will be.

(Unfortunately) Jamie made some good points

Buy Litecoin.

Kermit8 Hevon 24 Nov 16 5.57pm
Good news for those who were absolutely wetting their pants when told by Nigel and other Brexiteers that Turkey were definitely about to join the EU thus sending millions of them over here. [Link] Big chest and massive boobs [Link]

Kermit8

Hevon 24 Nov 16 5.57pm

Good news for those who were absolutely wetting their pants when told by Nigel and other Brexiteers that Turkey were definitely about to join the EU thus sending millions of them over here.

[Link]

Big chest and massive boobs

[Link]

jamiemartin721 Reading 24 Nov 16 6.17pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 Not other people your own children and grand children and probably great grand children. Not me i have no kids. Future is bleak wear a condom ☺ "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]

jamiemartin721

Reading 24 Nov 16 6.17pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Not other people your own children and grand children and probably great grand children.

Not me i have no kids. Future is bleak wear a condom ☺

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
[Link]

Hrolf The Ganger 24 Nov 16 6.28pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Our childrens futures? Kids futures are to repeat the same pattern of pointless egocentric delusion that their parents suffered from, before becoming parental units for the next generation of egocentric delusional idiots. Their future, is monotony, child birth, 'noble self sacrifice' and either a tragic or painful decent into death, whilst achieving nothing more than self replication to ensure the machine that is 'humanity' chugs onwards into an increasingly bleak and terrible future. Even the minority who achieve some kernel of greatness or achievement, will only become the fading/vague caricature of a memory in the minds of generations of doomed, insignificant lives. That 14 years olds future was never ruined by the Tories or debt, it was ruined the moment a sperm successfully over came unbelievable odds just in order to trigger a futile and pointless cycle of cellular entropy. Lol. No one could guess that you are not a parent Jamie. For the sake of sanity and to avoid an existential meltdown we tend to avoid seeing reality in such stark terms.

Hrolf The Ganger

24 Nov 16 6.28pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Our childrens futures?

Kids futures are to repeat the same pattern of pointless egocentric delusion that their parents suffered from, before becoming parental units for the next generation of egocentric delusional idiots. Their future, is monotony, child birth, 'noble self sacrifice' and either a tragic or painful decent into death, whilst achieving nothing more than self replication to ensure the machine that is 'humanity' chugs onwards into an increasingly bleak and terrible future.

Even the minority who achieve some kernel of greatness or achievement, will only become the fading/vague caricature of a memory in the minds of generations of doomed, insignificant lives.

That 14 years olds future was never ruined by the Tories or debt, it was ruined the moment a sperm successfully over came unbelievable odds just in order to trigger a futile and pointless cycle of cellular entropy.

Lol. No one could guess that you are not a parent Jamie.
For the sake of sanity and to avoid an existential meltdown we tend to avoid seeing reality in such stark terms.

legaleagle 24 Nov 16 6.41pm
Originally posted by matt_himself What disappointed me, but didn't surprise me, is the usage of any judicial, media or so-called moral tool available by Remainers to try and stop Brexit. The above is an observation on how the usage of data from organisations previously dismissed as being tools of the establishment, is gleefully taken at face value by the Remain camp. Still, not much at the moment shocks me about the stifling predicatibility of modern society. I wouldn't dispute that some on all sides of the political arena engage in blatant hypocrisy at times, or perhaps almost all of the time.I might say that what I find noteworthy at the moment is the unpredictability of society. My point to you was more centred around (1) using an example relating to a small minority group as a stick to beat "the left" generically and (2)seemingly being immune to posting/expressing outrage when people you agree with do the same thing.. As an example with a slightly wider resonance than TUSC, let's take the Leave camp's utilisation of "beware millions of the Johnny Foreigner Turks are coming" as a propaganda tool.Then let's look at the actions of one of the Leave camp's key exponents on this point: "After the Turkish President, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, took legal action against German satirist Jan Boehmermann for performing a poem insulting to the Turkish premier, Boris Johnson wrote a poem of his own. The limerick - the key parts of which we cannot reprint here - won the Spectator magazine's "President Erdogan Offensive Poetry Competition" in May. More significantly, though, Mr Johnson has several times changed his public stance on whether or not Turkey should join the EU. During the referendum campaign, he repeatedly warned voters about the prospect of Turkey joining the EU - and the impact migration from the country could have on the UK. That was despite the fact he had previously said keeping Turkey out of the bloc "sent out the worst possible message to moderates in the Islamic world". Turkish Prime Minister Binali Yildirim told the BBC at the time: "May God help him and reform him." Since the referendum, however, Mr Johnson has changed his tone again. In September 2016, he visited Turkey in search of a "jumbo trade deal". During the trip, he called for "a new partnership" between the UK and Turkey, extolling the virtues of his "beautiful, very well functioning" Turkish washing machine. He also said the UK would "help Turkey in any way" with its bid to join the EU." Edited by legaleagle (24 Nov 2016 6.47pm)

legaleagle

24 Nov 16 6.41pm

Originally posted by matt_himself

What disappointed me, but didn't surprise me, is the usage of any judicial, media or so-called moral tool available by Remainers to try and stop Brexit. The above is an observation on how the usage of data from organisations previously dismissed as being tools of the establishment, is gleefully taken at face value by the Remain camp.

Still, not much at the moment shocks me about the stifling predicatibility of modern society.

I wouldn't dispute that some on all sides of the political arena engage in blatant hypocrisy at times, or perhaps almost all of the time.I might say that what I find noteworthy at the moment is the unpredictability of society.

My point to you was more centred around (1) using an example relating to a small minority group as a stick to beat "the left" generically and (2)seemingly being immune to posting/expressing outrage when people you agree with do the same thing..

As an example with a slightly wider resonance than TUSC, let's take the Leave camp's utilisation of "beware millions of the Johnny Foreigner Turks are coming" as a propaganda tool.Then let's look at the actions of one of the Leave camp's key exponents on this point:

"After the Turkish President, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, took legal action against German satirist Jan Boehmermann for performing a poem insulting to the Turkish premier, Boris Johnson wrote a poem of his own.
The limerick - the key parts of which we cannot reprint here - won the Spectator magazine's "President Erdogan Offensive Poetry Competition" in May.
More significantly, though, Mr Johnson has several times changed his public stance on whether or not Turkey should join the EU.
During the referendum campaign, he repeatedly warned voters about the prospect of Turkey joining the EU - and the impact migration from the country could have on the UK. That was despite the fact he had previously said keeping Turkey out of the bloc "sent out the worst possible message to moderates in the Islamic world".
Turkish Prime Minister Binali Yildirim told the BBC at the time: "May God help him and reform him."
Since the referendum, however, Mr Johnson has changed his tone again.
In September 2016, he visited Turkey in search of a "jumbo trade deal". During the trip, he called for "a new partnership" between the UK and Turkey, extolling the virtues of his "beautiful, very well functioning" Turkish washing machine.
He also said the UK would "help Turkey in any way" with its bid to join the EU."

Edited by legaleagle (24 Nov 2016 6.47pm)

Sportyteacher London 24 Nov 16 7.12pm
Originally posted by .TUX. Many sources claim that financially, the average person is anywhere between 20-40% worse off now than they were at the turn of the 21st century. Who shall i blame for this and what has your 14yr old psychic got to say about this situation? I have to laugh at the psychic Chancellor who yesterday produced the same kind of wishful thinking that his predecessor did in terms of tackling public borrowing targets - Osborne's predictions were ALL roundly missed with the deficit rising exponentially to £1.75 trillion with record borrowing STILL to come. At least Hammond admitted that we'd be very much still in the red by 2020 and next Get.Election as opposed to Osborne and into the black. Doh!

Sportyteacher

London 24 Nov 16 7.12pm

Originally posted by .TUX.

Many sources claim that financially, the average person is anywhere between 20-40% worse off now than they were at the turn of the 21st century. Who shall i blame for this and what has your 14yr old psychic got to say about this situation?

I have to laugh at the psychic Chancellor who yesterday produced the same kind of wishful thinking that his predecessor did in terms of tackling public borrowing targets - Osborne's predictions were ALL roundly missed with the deficit rising exponentially to £1.75 trillion with record borrowing STILL to come. At least Hammond admitted that we'd be very much still in the red by 2020 and next Get.Election as opposed to Osborne and into the black. Doh!

matt_himself Matataland 24 Nov 16 8.01pm
Originally posted by legaleagle I wouldn't dispute that some on all sides of the political arena engage in blatant hypocrisy at times, or perhaps almost all of the time.I might say that what I find noteworthy at the moment is the unpredictability of society. My point to you was more centred around (1) using an example relating to a small minority group as a stick to beat "the left" generically and (2)seemingly being immune to posting/expressing outrage when people you agree with do the same thing.. As an example with a slightly wider resonance than TUSC, let's take the Leave camp's utilisation of "beware millions of the Johnny Foreigner Turks are coming" as a propaganda tool.Then let's look at the actions of one of the Leave camp's key exponents on this point: "After the Turkish President, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, took legal action against German satirist Jan Boehmermann for performing a poem insulting to the Turkish premier, Boris Johnson wrote a poem of his own. The limerick - the key parts of which we cannot reprint here - won the Spectator magazine's "President Erdogan Offensive Poetry Competition" in May. More significantly, though, Mr Johnson has several times changed his public stance on whether or not Turkey should join the EU. During the referendum campaign, he repeatedly warned voters about the prospect of Turkey joining the EU - and the impact migration from the country could have on the UK. That was despite the fact he had previously said keeping Turkey out of the bloc "sent out the worst possible message to moderates in the Islamic world". Turkish Prime Minister Binali Yildirim told the BBC at the time: "May God help him and reform him." Since the referendum, however, Mr Johnson has changed his tone again. In September 2016, he visited Turkey in search of a "jumbo trade deal". During the trip, he called for "a new partnership" between the UK and Turkey, extolling the virtues of his "beautiful, very well functioning" Turkish washing machine. He also said the UK would "help Turkey in any way" with its bid to join the EU." Edited by legaleagle (24 Nov 2016 6.47pm) I don't agree with the German but you are clutching at straws. Why? Edited by matt_himself (24 Nov 2016 8.11pm) "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

matt_himself

Matataland 24 Nov 16 8.01pm

Originally posted by legaleagle

Edited by legaleagle (24 Nov 2016 6.47pm)

I don't agree with the German but you are clutching at straws. Why?

Edited by matt_himself (24 Nov 2016 8.11pm)

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

legaleagle 24 Nov 16 8.07pm
I am clutching at straws? Thank you for bringing a smile to my face on a dark and dank November evening

legaleagle

24 Nov 16 8.07pm

I am clutching at straws?

Thank you for bringing a smile to my face on a dark and dank November evening

matt_himself Matataland 24 Nov 16 8.12pm
Originally posted by legaleagle I am clutching at straws? Thank you for bringing a smile to my face on a dark and dank November evening Sweetheart, you are posting drivel. Tell me with a straight face that you are not. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

matt_himself

Matataland 24 Nov 16 8.12pm

Originally posted by legaleagle

I am clutching at straws?

Thank you for bringing a smile to my face on a dark and dank November evening

Sweetheart, you are posting drivel.

Tell me with a straight face that you are not.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

legaleagle 24 Nov 16 8.15pm
xxxxxxxxxxx.....I do love you when you start to get your sails up

legaleagle

24 Nov 16 8.15pm

xxxxxxxxxxx.....I do love you when you start to get your sails up

Penge Eagle Beckenham 24 Nov 16 9.14pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 Good news for those who were absolutely wetting their pants when told by Nigel and other Brexiteers that Turkey were definitely about to join the EU thus sending millions of them over here. [Link] Doesn't mean it won't happen!

Penge Eagle

Beckenham 24 Nov 16 9.14pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

Good news for those who were absolutely wetting their pants when told by Nigel and other Brexiteers that Turkey were definitely about to join the EU thus sending millions of them over here.

[Link]

Doesn't mean it won't happen!

Penge Eagle Beckenham 24 Nov 16 9.18pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Debt to gdp of 90+% . Thanks austerity. You've really worked. Seems that the idea of state investment as stimulus isn't a daft lefty idea anymore. Miliband was shot down for suggesting such a thing yet Hammond is being applauded. Or perhaps I was joking (like Hoof did about hitting children to raise a response) in order to worm out of something I've said that's iffy. Osborne should have made deeper cuts in my view. But he had his eyes on the PM job! (cnut) I don't think Hammond is any better. Another useless chancellor.

Penge Eagle

Beckenham 24 Nov 16 9.18pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Debt to gdp of 90+% . Thanks austerity. You've really worked. Seems that the idea of state investment as stimulus isn't a daft lefty idea anymore. Miliband was shot down for suggesting such a thing yet Hammond is being applauded.

Or perhaps I was joking (like Hoof did about hitting children to raise a response) in order to worm out of something I've said that's iffy.

Osborne should have made deeper cuts in my view. But he had his eyes on the PM job! (cnut)

I don't think Hammond is any better. Another useless chancellor.

Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 24 Nov 16 9.18pm
Originally posted by Penge Eagle Doesn't mean it won't happen! The EU is hell-bent on expansion in whatever direction. Of course it'll happen. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

Cucking Funt

Clapham on the Back 24 Nov 16 9.18pm

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

Doesn't mean it won't happen!

The EU is hell-bent on expansion in whatever direction. Of course it'll happen.

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

Penge Eagle Beckenham 24 Nov 16 9.46pm
Originally posted by Cucking Funt The EU is hell-bent on expansion in whatever direction. Of course it'll happen. Exactamundo. The EU's empire building will go on despite Britain's exit. In July, 2007, President of the European Commission Jose Manuel Barroso said: "Sometimes I like to compare the E.U. as a creation to the organisation of empires. We have the dimension of Empire but there is a great difference. Empires were usually made with force with a centre imposing diktat, a will on the others. Now what we have is the first non-Imperial empire... I believe it is a great construction and we should be proud of it." Edited by Penge Eagle (24 Nov 2016 9.51pm)

Penge Eagle

Beckenham 24 Nov 16 9.46pm

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

The EU is hell-bent on expansion in whatever direction. Of course it'll happen.

Exactamundo. The EU's empire building will go on despite Britain's exit.

In July, 2007, President of the European Commission Jose Manuel Barroso said:

"Sometimes I like to compare the E.U. as a creation to the organisation of empires. We have the dimension of Empire but there is a great difference. Empires were usually made with force with a centre imposing diktat, a will on the others. Now what we have is the first non-Imperial empire... I believe it is a great construction and we should be proud of it."

Edited by Penge Eagle (24 Nov 2016 9.51pm)

Penge Eagle Beckenham 24 Nov 16 9.49pm
Another example of the EU's corporate cronyism the REAL left deplore but not the part-time lefties on HOL. Former European Commission chief Jose Manuel Barroso, who was complicit in helping Goldman Sachs defraud the Greek economy, is now taking a job with the company. [Link]

Penge Eagle

Beckenham 24 Nov 16 9.49pm

Another example of the EU's corporate cronyism the REAL left deplore but not the part-time lefties on HOL.

Former European Commission chief Jose Manuel Barroso, who was complicit in helping Goldman Sachs defraud the Greek economy, is now taking a job with the company. [Link]

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 24 Nov 16 10.39pm
Originally posted by Penge Eagle Another example of the EU's corporate cronyism the REAL left deplore but not the part-time lefties on HOL. Former European Commission chief Jose Manuel Barroso, who was complicit in helping Goldman Sachs defraud the Greek economy, is now taking a job with the company. [Link] Gotta love Max Keiser. Can you expand on the emboldened part, it's a bit all encompassing sweeping generalisationy.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 24 Nov 16 10.39pm

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

Another example of the EU's corporate cronyism the REAL left deplore but not the part-time lefties on HOL.

Former European Commission chief Jose Manuel Barroso, who was complicit in helping Goldman Sachs defraud the Greek economy, is now taking a job with the company. [Link]

Gotta love Max Keiser.

Can you expand on the emboldened part, it's a bit all encompassing sweeping generalisationy.

Penge Eagle Beckenham 24 Nov 16 10.57pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Gotta love Max Keiser. Can you expand on the emboldened part, it's a bit all encompassing sweeping generalisationy. The legendary socialist Tony Benn RIP George Galloway Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonnell for decades (before they shamefully backslided) Mick Cash (RMT) Mick Whelan (ASLEF) Ronnie Draper (BFAWU) Doug Nicholls (TUAEU) Why is it not one socialist on HOL agrees with these guys?

Penge Eagle

Beckenham 24 Nov 16 10.57pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Gotta love Max Keiser.

Can you expand on the emboldened part, it's a bit all encompassing sweeping generalisationy.

The legendary socialist Tony Benn RIP
George Galloway
Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonnell for decades (before they shamefully backslided)
Mick Cash (RMT)
Mick Whelan (ASLEF)
Ronnie Draper (BFAWU)
Doug Nicholls (TUAEU)

Why is it not one socialist on HOL agrees with these guys?

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 24 Nov 16 11.11pm
Originally posted by Penge Eagle The legendary socialist Tony Benn RIP George Galloway Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonnell for decades (before they shamefully backslided) Mick Cash (RMT) Mick Whelan (ASLEF) Ronnie Draper (BFAWU) Doug Nicholls (TUAEU) Why is it not one socialist on HOL agrees with these guys? I'm not disagreeing with any of that report. That sort of thing is why I nearly voted leave. So I agree with them in that respect. Sort of blows your premise out of the water. In fact, I'm pretty sure that's why Jamie Martin did, although I'm happy to be corrected.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 24 Nov 16 11.11pm

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

Why is it not one socialist on HOL agrees with these guys?

I'm not disagreeing with any of that report. That sort of thing is why I nearly voted leave. So I agree with them in that respect. Sort of blows your premise out of the water. In fact, I'm pretty sure that's why Jamie Martin did, although I'm happy to be corrected.

davenotamonkey 24 Nov 16 11.15pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 The CBI receives around £150,000 per year from the European Commission especially for them to produce surveys of business opinion. Do you think for the sake of a measly 0.6% of annual income they would purposely choose to engage in misrepresentation? Of course you do. [Link] 21% Do you think they should have been in receipt of EU funds whilst they were "informing" the public during the referendum? Of course you do.

davenotamonkey

24 Nov 16 11.15pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

The CBI receives around £150,000 per year from the European Commission especially for them to produce surveys of business opinion. Do you think for the sake of a measly 0.6% of annual income they would purposely choose to engage in misrepresentation?

Of course you do.

[Link]

21%

Do you think they should have been in receipt of EU funds whilst they were "informing" the public during the referendum?

Of course you do.

davenotamonkey 24 Nov 16 11.18pm
Originally posted by We are goin up! Funny isn't it? That when there is good news like increased retail spending and the fastest growth forecasts in the G7, it's because we haven't actually left the EU yet. Yet when there is bad news it is ALL Brexit's fault. Makes very little sense. The fact is that our economy has not gone through any fundamental change yet, and won't for a while. We still have decent job growth, investor confidence and consumer confidence, problem is that this is being funded by startling levels of state debt that has been built up by both Labour and Conservatives. It seems you didn't get the memo. Attachment: IMG_20160901_112631.jpg (80.89Kb)

davenotamonkey

24 Nov 16 11.18pm

Originally posted by We are goin up!

Funny isn't it? That when there is good news like increased retail spending and the fastest growth forecasts in the G7, it's because we haven't actually left the EU yet.

Yet when there is bad news it is ALL Brexit's fault. Makes very little sense.

The fact is that our economy has not gone through any fundamental change yet, and won't for a while. We still have decent job growth, investor confidence and consumer confidence, problem is that this is being funded by startling levels of state debt that has been built up by both Labour and Conservatives.

It seems you didn't get the memo.

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