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croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 18 Jun 22 11.44pm

Originally posted by The groover

A russian warship has entered Danish waters twice, which they obviously denied!!

Denmark are in Nato. Love to see the f*****s try that with us.

They can't deny it if it sinks in our seas!!!!!

We wouldn"t notice it!Or, we wouldn"t admit to seeing it!

 

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croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 19 Jun 22 6.12pm

The new army head saying today that the army better get used to fighting on the ground in Europe, perhaps this war is going to get worse before it gets better.

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 19 Jun 22 7.51pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by croydon proud

The new army head saying today that the army better get used to fighting on the ground in Europe, perhaps this war is going to get worse before it gets better.

Why would you regard anything coming out of the top level of our military as particularly note worthy?

Most, if not all of them are establishment picks and yes men.

Along with governments they have got just about every military review wrong for about twenty years....each review lopping off parts of the military.

They are the very reason we don't have an army fit for a land war.

A military that went with light and mobile.....That's the level of predictive intelligence coming out of our elites....until reality is shoved into their face.

They don't make em like they use to.

Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Jun 2022 7.54pm)

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 19 Jun 22 8.48pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Why would you regard anything coming out of the top level of our military as particularly note worthy?

Most, if not all of them are establishment picks and yes men.

Along with governments they have got just about every military review wrong for about twenty years....each review lopping off parts of the military.

They are the very reason we don't have an army fit for a land war.

A military that went with light and mobile.....That's the level of predictive intelligence coming out of our elites....until reality is shoved into their face.

They don't make em like they use to.

Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Jun 2022 7.54pm)

What a surprise! Along with every other subject known to mankind, you know better than those who have made it their life's work. Just through watching a few videos from other non experts.

Does that remind you of any particular ex POTUS? Minus the videos, of course.

 


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croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 19 Jun 22 10.44pm

bump

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 20 Jun 22 1.17am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

What a surprise! Along with every other subject known to mankind, you know better than those who have made it their life's work. Just through watching a few videos from other non experts.

Does that remind you of any particular ex POTUS? Minus the videos, of course.

People who are put into leadership positions to do the establishment's bidding aren't 'experts'.

Whether or not someone is an 'expert' should be far more contingent upon whether what they state actually turns out to be correct and sound.

I know of plenty of people within the military who never agreed with the paths taken in respect of it....in any meritocratic system that makes them more 'expert' than your tired wrong company men.

An assortment of your 'expert' types have been appearing on mainstream media for months now making bad and wrong predictions about the course of this war since it started.....but they said what people like you want to hear......and that appears to be their main function.

Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Jun 2022 2.26am)

 


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Ouzo Dan Flag Behind you 20 Jun 22 6.11am Send a Private Message to Ouzo Dan Add Ouzo Dan as a friend

The SA80a1 which needed to be rebuilt twice costing an astonishing amount of money before it became competent with the SA80a2 & more recently the Ajax IFV - the test drivers for the Ajax are allegedly permanently injured just from driving the thing - are two good examples of top down military incompetence.

Top down incompetence is not exclusive to the British military either, the US Humvee was intended to be a bit more like our Jackal however once deployed In Iraq & how it was used (poorly) soldiers quickly sandbagged everything inside to give them some extra protection thus every iteration since offers more & more protection at the cost of everything else.

The Heckler & Koch G36 had a reputation of melting under heavy use.

Classic quote I remember from an old Call of Duty game (paraphrased a bit)
"Your rifle is built by the lowest bidder"

There is always a huge disconnect between government officials who have no clue what they're spending money on, the military top brass who see shiny things and are given near unlimited cash to spend & what soldiers actually get on the front lines.

 


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Ouzo Dan Flag Behind you 20 Jun 22 6.50am Send a Private Message to Ouzo Dan Add Ouzo Dan as a friend

Going back to the original comment re. Sir Patrick Sanders he is correct, conflict (I believe) with Russia & its allies is now inevitable.

That doesn't necessarily mean nukes but obvious it's not something I would bet on.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 20 Jun 22 10.02am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Ouzo Dan

Going back to the original comment re. Sir Patrick Sanders he is correct, conflict (I believe) with Russia & its allies is now inevitable.

That doesn't necessarily mean nukes but obvious it's not something I would bet on.

Let's hope you're wrong on an actual declared conflict.

Either way, we should have a strong military just as a reflection of who we are.

Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Jun 2022 10.03am)

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 20 Jun 22 10.30am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

People who are put into leadership positions to do the establishment's bidding aren't 'experts'.

Whether or not someone is an 'expert' should be far more contingent upon whether what they state actually turns out to be correct and sound.

I know of plenty of people within the military who never agreed with the paths taken in respect of it....in any meritocratic system that makes them more 'expert' than your tired wrong company men.

An assortment of your 'expert' types have been appearing on mainstream media for months now making bad and wrong predictions about the course of this war since it started.....but they said what people like you want to hear......and that appears to be their main function.

Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Jun 2022 2.26am)

Your warped cynicism knows no boundaries, does it? I have never come across a member of the military who is prepared to "do the establishment's bidding". They are all much more concerned with the safety of our country and the welfare of the people in their service to be worried about politics.

Making accurate predictions will always be a matter of chance when dealing with military outcomes. The best you ought to expect is getting an overall strategy correct.

Of course there will be a variety of opinions, from a variety of viewpoints. That's inevitable. Those who hold the responsibility for, and the information to assess, the whole picture, are the only ones capable of really making final judgements. Barrack room experts exist in the officer's barracks just as frequently as in the corporals mess.

The experts have not got things wrong at all. The need for a swift and resolute response was quickly identified and carried through with determination. There was never going to be a script for the war itself. Far too many unknowns for that. It's now easier to see where things stand and what the immediate future may be, now there is some experience to guide us.

We now face the necessity to deal with the economic consequences of having to stand up to a tyrant and to try to keep our populations onside with that whilst ensuring the poorest around the world get fed. That's not going to be easy. People have short memories and are often very selfish. Blaming politicians for events they have no control over, or for taking painful decisions, when not to take them is even worse, is an easy sport. It's happening here, in the USA and doubtless in many other countries.

We must not cave in to such pressure, though. The over-riding priority must be to ensure Putin's threat stops where it is.

 


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