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Stirlingsays 12 Nov 18 4.33pm
It doesn't matter how bad Khan is....and he's pretty awful....he's getting reelected. The only chance of change is if the Tories or whoever field a famous BAME candidate to challenge him. Learning about the history of Detroit taught me this......It's obviously a known fact within political circles and it's why Labour always put BAME candidates in areas with high minority representation. It's no accident, it's human nature. Demographics are destiny. Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Nov 2018 4.52pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

12 Nov 18 4.33pm

It doesn't matter how bad Khan is....and he's pretty awful....he's getting reelected. The only chance of change is if the Tories or whoever field a famous BAME candidate to challenge him.

Learning about the history of Detroit taught me this......It's obviously a known fact within political circles and it's why Labour always put BAME candidates in areas with high minority representation.

It's no accident, it's human nature.

Demographics are destiny.

Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Nov 2018 4.52pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

the despotic banana Dept. of Baboon Maintenance 12 Nov 18 4.57pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays It's obviously a known fact within political circles and it's why Labour always put BAME candidates in areas with high minority representation. Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Nov 2018 4.52pm) Some mishtake, surely? Ken Livingstone was barmy not BAME. Ask me about Ronald de Boer.

the despotic banana

Dept. of Baboon Maintenance 12 Nov 18 4.57pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

It's obviously a known fact within political circles and it's why Labour always put BAME candidates in areas with high minority representation.

Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Nov 2018 4.52pm)

Some mishtake, surely? Ken Livingstone was barmy not BAME.

Ask me about Ronald de Boer.

Stirlingsays 12 Nov 18 4.59pm
Originally posted by the despotic banana Some mishtake, surely? Ken Livingstone was barmy not BAME. Good one.....In London I think Livingstone was around the tipping point time....Johnson beat him.....But I couldn't see something like happening against Khan.....Not now....I think the demographics have reached that point. Identity politics isn't nice....it goes against the nature of European sensibilities.....it's why Europeans are the only group who will vote in reasonable numbers against it. But it's an unfortunate reality....It's not a lie....it's human nature. Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Nov 2018 5.04pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

12 Nov 18 4.59pm

Originally posted by the despotic banana

Some mishtake, surely? Ken Livingstone was barmy not BAME.

Good one.....In London I think Livingstone was around the tipping point time....Johnson beat him.....But I couldn't see something like happening against Khan.....Not now....I think the demographics have reached that point.

Identity politics isn't nice....it goes against the nature of European sensibilities.....it's why Europeans are the only group who will vote in reasonable numbers against it.

But it's an unfortunate reality....It's not a lie....it's human nature.

Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Nov 2018 5.04pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

the despotic banana Dept. of Baboon Maintenance 12 Nov 18 5.30pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Identity politics isn't nice... Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Nov 2018 5.04pm) Or effective, if the Conservatives' clumsy attempts at racially profiling people with 'Indian sounding names' for Zac Goldsmith's mayoral campaign is any measure. Ask me about Ronald de Boer.

the despotic banana

Dept. of Baboon Maintenance 12 Nov 18 5.30pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Identity politics isn't nice...

Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Nov 2018 5.04pm)

Or effective, if the Conservatives' clumsy attempts at racially profiling people with 'Indian sounding names' for Zac Goldsmith's mayoral campaign is any measure.

Ask me about Ronald de Boer.

Badger11 Beckenham 12 Nov 18 5.38pm
Originally posted by Mr Palaceman Reading through the post, I can't see him getting re-elected. I'm glad I posted this thread as I genuinely wanted to know what he has done. I thought there's bound to be someone who would stand up for him, maybe a labour supporter but not one. There's still time. Interesting about the 700 million, black hole in TFL finance, I didn't know that, although I find in hard to accept that the only reason for this is a fares freeze. The rate that fares have been going up over the last 25 years has been scandalous. We have one of the worst services in Europe and the highest fares, so I'm lead to believe. I travel a lot and do notice that the standard of public transport is much better in Europe and the fares lower. How do they do it? I do think London needs a Mayor. A good mayor can have a very positive impact on a city, I just feel that we have the post but no one in it. I definitely agree that he appears to be a self serving individual. I may have run next time. What do Hol'ers want to see in my manifesto. I am here for you, Let's make London Great again, Yes we can. I want a London that works for everyone not the few, we are a big society, it's time for change. It's true that fares are cheaper in Europe because the governments choose to subside public transport more. It's purely a political decision, who pays? If I travel to London once every 2-3 months why should I subside through taxes someone who goes more regularly? Shouldn't the user pay? Or public transport should be cheap to take the pressure of the roads and help working people on low incomes keep more of their money. Take your pick. On the point about better quality. In fairness to this country we have far more rail services across the country than many of our European neighbours. No doubt transport links in the major cities are good but outside of that I think we hold are own. Edited by Badger11 (12 Nov 2018 5.41pm) One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 12 Nov 18 5.38pm

Originally posted by Mr Palaceman

Reading through the post, I can't see him getting re-elected.

I'm glad I posted this thread as I genuinely wanted to know what he has done. I thought there's bound to be someone who would stand up for him, maybe a labour supporter but not one. There's still time.

Interesting about the 700 million, black hole in TFL finance, I didn't know that, although I find in hard to accept that the only reason for this is a fares freeze. The rate that fares have been going up over the last 25 years has been scandalous. We have one of the worst services in Europe and the highest fares, so I'm lead to believe. I travel a lot and do notice that the standard of public transport is much better in Europe and the fares lower. How do they do it?

I do think London needs a Mayor. A good mayor can have a very positive impact on a city, I just feel that we have the post but no one in it.

I definitely agree that he appears to be a self serving individual.

I may have run next time.

What do Hol'ers want to see in my manifesto. I am here for you, Let's make London Great again, Yes we can. I want a London that works for everyone not the few, we are a big society, it's time for change.

It's true that fares are cheaper in Europe because the governments choose to subside public transport more. It's purely a political decision, who pays?

If I travel to London once every 2-3 months why should I subside through taxes someone who goes more regularly? Shouldn't the user pay? Or public transport should be cheap to take the pressure of the roads and help working people on low incomes keep more of their money. Take your pick.

On the point about better quality. In fairness to this country we have far more rail services across the country than many of our European neighbours. No doubt transport links in the major cities are good but outside of that I think we hold are own.

Edited by Badger11 (12 Nov 2018 5.41pm)

One more point

Stirlingsays 12 Nov 18 6.07pm
Originally posted by the despotic banana Or effective, if the Conservatives' clumsy attempts at racially profiling people with 'Indian sounding names' for Zac Goldsmith's mayoral campaign is any measure. Oh identity politics is very effective, it just depends upon the group it's being aimed at. At the moment Europeans are the least identitarian. Most people just live their lives and don't think about this stuff. I was one of them....and not knowing this stuff was nicer. However, it's going to become increasingly obvious as we go forward and more and more people will come to understand.....that the people who weren't meant to be representing them.....were really only representing themselves and they always took the politically expedient choice over the long term one. Then you have your idealogs.....who are doing it deliberately and just want to flip their societies. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

12 Nov 18 6.07pm

Originally posted by the despotic banana

Or effective, if the Conservatives' clumsy attempts at racially profiling people with 'Indian sounding names' for Zac Goldsmith's mayoral campaign is any measure.

Oh identity politics is very effective, it just depends upon the group it's being aimed at.

At the moment Europeans are the least identitarian. Most people just live their lives and don't think about this stuff. I was one of them....and not knowing this stuff was nicer.

However, it's going to become increasingly obvious as we go forward and more and more people will come to understand.....that the people who weren't meant to be representing them.....were really only representing themselves and they always took the politically expedient choice over the long term one.

Then you have your idealogs.....who are doing it deliberately and just want to flip their societies.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays 12 Nov 18 6.10pm
Originally posted by Mr Palaceman I may have run next time. What do Hol'ers want to see in my manifesto. I am here for you, Let's make London Great again, Yes we can. I want a London that works for everyone not the few, we are a big society, it's time for change. You're a Palace fan.....So I'd probably vote for you regardless of your politics....I mean you could hardly feck up London worst than this clown. I suggest for free bus passes to all Palace Holers! 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

12 Nov 18 6.10pm

Originally posted by Mr Palaceman

I may have run next time.

You're a Palace fan.....So I'd probably vote for you regardless of your politics....I mean you could hardly feck up London worst than this clown.

I suggest for free bus passes to all Palace Holers!

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Badger11 Beckenham 12 Nov 18 6.17pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays You're a Palace fan.....So I'd probably vote for you regardless of your politics....I mean you could hardly feck up London worst than this clown. I suggest for free bus passes to all Palace Holers! Free hair transplants and gastric bands for men of a certain age, oh alright then just me. And before anyone says it I am not responsible for the dearth of pies at the game. Edited by Badger11 (12 Nov 2018 6.18pm) One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 12 Nov 18 6.17pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

You're a Palace fan.....So I'd probably vote for you regardless of your politics....I mean you could hardly feck up London worst than this clown.

I suggest for free bus passes to all Palace Holers!

Free hair transplants and gastric bands for men of a certain age, oh alright then just me.

And before anyone says it I am not responsible for the dearth of pies at the game.

Edited by Badger11 (12 Nov 2018 6.18pm)

One more point

Mr Palaceman 12 Nov 18 7.10pm
Originally posted by Badger11 It's true that fares are cheaper in Europe because the governments choose to subside public transport more. It's purely a political decision, who pays? If I travel to London once every 2-3 months why should I subside through taxes someone who goes more regularly? Shouldn't the user pay? Or public transport should be cheap to take the pressure of the roads and help working people on low incomes keep more of their money. Take your pick. On the point about better quality. In fairness to this country we have far more rail services across the country than many of our European neighbours. No doubt transport links in the major cities are good but outside of that I think we hold are own. Edited by Badger11 (12 Nov 2018 5.41pm) I think the point you made that I have highlighted is a very good one and fair and you could apply that argument to many areas of public/private service, however I do think that in the case of something like rail services, their is more of a benefit for the country if you have a good service accessible to all. If your journey to work is cheaper, you may be more inclined to take a lower paid job or have more disposable income to spend on other things and the more people have in their pockets, the less they tend to use public services. Your also right about European infrastructure, go outside the big cities and your on a bus, if you don't have a car. "You can lead a horse to water but a pencil must be lead" Stan Laurel

Mr Palaceman

12 Nov 18 7.10pm

Originally posted by Badger11

It's true that fares are cheaper in Europe because the governments choose to subside public transport more. It's purely a political decision, who pays?

If I travel to London once every 2-3 months why should I subside through taxes someone who goes more regularly? Shouldn't the user pay? Or public transport should be cheap to take the pressure of the roads and help working people on low incomes keep more of their money. Take your pick.

Edited by Badger11 (12 Nov 2018 5.41pm)

I think the point you made that I have highlighted is a very good one and fair and you could apply that argument to many areas of public/private service, however I do think that in the case of something like rail services, their is more of a benefit for the country if you have a good service accessible to all. If your journey to work is cheaper, you may be more inclined to take a lower paid job or have more disposable income to spend on other things and the more people have in their pockets, the less they tend to use public services.

Your also right about European infrastructure, go outside the big cities and your on a bus, if you don't have a car.

"You can lead a horse to water but a pencil must be lead"

Stan Laurel

Mr Palaceman 12 Nov 18 7.13pm
Originally posted by topcat PS; VOTE FOR MR PALACEMAN. You know it makes sense. Topcat, you just got yourself a hefty grant... "You can lead a horse to water but a pencil must be lead" Stan Laurel

Mr Palaceman

12 Nov 18 7.13pm

Originally posted by topcat

PS; VOTE FOR MR PALACEMAN. You know it makes sense.

Topcat, you just got yourself a hefty grant...

"You can lead a horse to water but a pencil must be lead"

Stan Laurel

topcat Holmesdale / Surbiton 13 Nov 18 7.26am
Originally posted by Mr Palaceman Topcat, you just got yourself a hefty grant... OK. I'm off to purchase 5000 Making Selhurst Great Again baseball hats. It's 106 miles to Chicago, we got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark... and we're wearing sunglasses.

topcat

Holmesdale / Surbiton 13 Nov 18 7.26am

Originally posted by Mr Palaceman

Topcat, you just got yourself a hefty grant...

OK. I'm off to purchase 5000 Making Selhurst Great Again baseball hats.

It's 106 miles to Chicago, we got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark... and we're wearing sunglasses.

Badger11 Beckenham 13 Nov 18 8.21am
LBC are reporting that TFL has agreed a 4% pay rise for their Underground staff. TFL already has a black hole in its finances and Mayor Cannot was elected on a pledge not to raise fares. So when the Mayor complains about lack of funds due to austerity, blame the Tories etc. remember this above inflation pay rise. Underground workers are well paid and in principal I have no problem with that but when you are facing a budget crisis well if you were a private company you would not be so generous. During his election lots of independent experts told Khan not to pledge to freeze fares as this was not sustainable. So expect in the next year plenty of whinging from Khan about the budget and what he gets from the government. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 13 Nov 18 8.21am

LBC are reporting that TFL has agreed a 4% pay rise for their Underground staff.

TFL already has a black hole in its finances and Mayor Cannot was elected on a pledge not to raise fares.

So when the Mayor complains about lack of funds due to austerity, blame the Tories etc. remember this above inflation pay rise. Underground workers are well paid and in principal I have no problem with that but when you are facing a budget crisis well if you were a private company you would not be so generous. During his election lots of independent experts told Khan not to pledge to freeze fares as this was not sustainable.

So expect in the next year plenty of whinging from Khan about the budget and what he gets from the government.

One more point

Stirlingsays 13 Nov 18 8.27am
Originally posted by Badger11 LBC are reporting that TFL has agreed a 4% pay rise for their Underground staff. TFL already has a black hole in its finances and Mayor Cannot was elected on a pledge not to raise fares. So when the Mayor complains about lack of funds due to austerity, blame the Tories etc. remember this above inflation pay rise. Underground workers are well paid and in principal I have no problem with that but when you are facing a budget crisis well if you were a private company you would not be so generous. During his election lots of independent experts told Khan not to pledge to freeze fares as this was not sustainable. So expect in the next year plenty of whinging from Khan about the budget and what he gets from the government. Imagine the state of the economy after five years of these clowns. Mind you I think the country needs to understand what socialism does.....we have a young generation who think it's glamorous.....they need a taste to learn. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

13 Nov 18 8.27am

Originally posted by Badger11

LBC are reporting that TFL has agreed a 4% pay rise for their Underground staff.

TFL already has a black hole in its finances and Mayor Cannot was elected on a pledge not to raise fares.

So expect in the next year plenty of whinging from Khan about the budget and what he gets from the government.

Imagine the state of the economy after five years of these clowns.

Mind you I think the country needs to understand what socialism does.....we have a young generation who think it's glamorous.....they need a taste to learn.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

cryrst The garden of England 13 Nov 18 10.30am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Imagine the state of the economy after five years of these clowns. Mind you I think the country needs to understand what socialism does.....we have a young generation who think it's glamorous.....they need a taste to learn. Now that would be quality if not for the fact that it would decimate the country.. Then the tories come back and we have ausrerity for another 10 years to get the finances back on track. Dont forget what labour did prior to the last election defeat. Contracts worth billions issued, which were cancelled and that letter about no money left amonst other things.

cryrst

The garden of England 13 Nov 18 10.30am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Imagine the state of the economy after five years of these clowns.

Mind you I think the country needs to understand what socialism does.....we have a young generation who think it's glamorous.....they need a taste to learn.

Now that would be quality if not for the fact that it would decimate the country..
Then the tories come back and we have ausrerity for another 10 years to get the finances back on track.
Dont forget what labour did prior to the last election defeat.
Contracts worth billions issued, which were cancelled and that letter about no money left amonst other things.

Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 13 Nov 18 1.26pm
Originally posted by topcat OK. I'm off to purchase 5000 Making Selhurst Great Again baseball hats. I'll give you a good price & throw in the shipping !! Pro USA & Israel

Jimenez

SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 13 Nov 18 1.26pm

Originally posted by topcat

OK. I'm off to purchase 5000 Making Selhurst Great Again baseball hats.

I'll give you a good price & throw in the shipping !!

Pro USA & Israel

Pussay Patrol 13 Nov 18 1.36pm
Originally posted by Badger11 LBC are reporting that TFL has agreed a 4% pay rise for their Underground staff. TFL already has a black hole in its finances and Mayor Cannot was elected on a pledge not to raise fares. So when the Mayor complains about lack of funds due to austerity, blame the Tories etc. remember this above inflation pay rise. Underground workers are well paid and in principal I have no problem with that but when you are facing a budget crisis well if you were a private company you would not be so generous. During his election lots of independent experts told Khan not to pledge to freeze fares as this was not sustainable. So expect in the next year plenty of whinging from Khan about the budget and what he gets from the government. I thought Wage inflation was a good thing? Maybe cos all the foreigners leaving its pushed the wages up? Oh hang on Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

Pussay Patrol

13 Nov 18 1.36pm

Originally posted by Badger11

LBC are reporting that TFL has agreed a 4% pay rise for their Underground staff.

TFL already has a black hole in its finances and Mayor Cannot was elected on a pledge not to raise fares.

So expect in the next year plenty of whinging from Khan about the budget and what he gets from the government.

I thought Wage inflation was a good thing?

Maybe cos all the foreigners leaving its pushed the wages up? Oh hang on

Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

Mapletree Croydon 13 Nov 18 2.05pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Imagine the state of the economy after five years of these clowns. Mind you I think the country needs to understand what socialism does.....we have a young generation who think it's glamorous.....they need a taste to learn. Hee hee Imagine if this had been agreed by a Tory Mayor... A spokesman for Mr Khan said 'this is beyond parody from the Tories who are criticising a pay deal agreed under a Tory mayor which covered a four year period from April 2015 to March 2019.'' But please, don't allow my interjection of facts to get in the way of your flow of vitriol and bile against a Mayor who also just happens to be a Muslim.

Mapletree

Croydon 13 Nov 18 2.05pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Imagine the state of the economy after five years of these clowns.

Mind you I think the country needs to understand what socialism does.....we have a young generation who think it's glamorous.....they need a taste to learn.

Hee hee

Imagine if this had been agreed by a Tory Mayor...

A spokesman for Mr Khan said 'this is beyond parody from the Tories who are criticising a pay deal agreed under a Tory mayor which covered a four year period from April 2015 to March 2019.''

But please, don't allow my interjection of facts to get in the way of your flow of vitriol and bile against a Mayor who also just happens to be a Muslim.

ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 13 Nov 18 2.11pm
Originally posted by Mapletree Hee hee Imagine if this had been agreed by a Tory Mayor... A spokesman for Mr Khan said 'this is beyond parody from the Tories who are criticising a pay deal agreed under a Tory mayor which covered a four year period from April 2015 to March 2019.'' But please, don't allow my interjection of facts to get in the way of your flow of vitriol and bile against a Mayor who also just happens to be a Muslim. Muslim or not is not at all the point. Crap at his job is the point. TFL, crime and Crossrail just some examples. Is anyone arguing that this mayor is better than previous ones? Red and Blue Army!

ASCPFC

Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 13 Nov 18 2.11pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

Hee hee

Imagine if this had been agreed by a Tory Mayor...

A spokesman for Mr Khan said 'this is beyond parody from the Tories who are criticising a pay deal agreed under a Tory mayor which covered a four year period from April 2015 to March 2019.''

But please, don't allow my interjection of facts to get in the way of your flow of vitriol and bile against a Mayor who also just happens to be a Muslim.

Muslim or not is not at all the point. Crap at his job is the point. TFL, crime and Crossrail just some examples. Is anyone arguing that this mayor is better than previous ones?

Red and Blue Army!

Mapletree Croydon 13 Nov 18 2.16pm
Originally posted by ASCPFC Muslim or not is not at all the point. Crap at his job is the point. TFL, crime and Crossrail just some examples. Is anyone arguing that this mayor is better than previous ones? I can't be bothered to check all the facts All I know is that the first 'fact' I checked proved to be fake news. So I can't trust any of the adverse comments on here without doing proper due diligence.

Mapletree

Croydon 13 Nov 18 2.16pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

Muslim or not is not at all the point. Crap at his job is the point. TFL, crime and Crossrail just some examples. Is anyone arguing that this mayor is better than previous ones?

I can't be bothered to check all the facts

All I know is that the first 'fact' I checked proved to be fake news. So I can't trust any of the adverse comments on here without doing proper due diligence.

npn Crowborough 13 Nov 18 2.18pm
Originally posted by Mapletree Hee hee Imagine if this had been agreed by a Tory Mayor... A spokesman for Mr Khan said 'this is beyond parody from the Tories who are criticising a pay deal agreed under a Tory mayor which covered a four year period from April 2015 to March 2019.'' But please, don't allow my interjection of facts to get in the way of your flow of vitriol and bile against a Mayor who also just happens to be a Muslim. WOW! As far as I can see you are the only one to bring up his religion. I assume this means that those critical of Boris only hold that opinion because he is (I assume) christian, the racist b*stards. It seems to me that, for once, all sides of the spectrum seem to concur that both Boris and Khan have been useless, yet you bring Khans religion into it in an attempt to imply that is the only reason people may be unimpressed with his performance as mayor are motivated by prejudice.

npn

Crowborough 13 Nov 18 2.18pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

Hee hee

Imagine if this had been agreed by a Tory Mayor...

A spokesman for Mr Khan said 'this is beyond parody from the Tories who are criticising a pay deal agreed under a Tory mayor which covered a four year period from April 2015 to March 2019.''

But please, don't allow my interjection of facts to get in the way of your flow of vitriol and bile against a Mayor who also just happens to be a Muslim.

WOW!

As far as I can see you are the only one to bring up his religion. I assume this means that those critical of Boris only hold that opinion because he is (I assume) christian, the racist b*stards.

It seems to me that, for once, all sides of the spectrum seem to concur that both Boris and Khan have been useless, yet you bring Khans religion into it in an attempt to imply that is the only reason people may be unimpressed with his performance as mayor are motivated by prejudice.

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