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georgenorman 17 Dec 21 11.32am
Originally posted by steeleye20 The UK system has less in common with democracy than Blackadder and The Rump. For real change there would have to be a revolution. Count me in, but I think most modern revolutionaries wouldn't make it beyond the nearest ATM. The EU cannot be described as democratic, as those who propose and frame its laws are not elected by the European people. The MEPs that they do elect are virtually powerless, just stooges.
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georgenorman

17 Dec 21 11.32am

Originally posted by steeleye20

The UK system has less in common with democracy than Blackadder and The Rump.

For real change there would have to be a revolution.

Count me in, but I think most modern revolutionaries wouldn't make it beyond the nearest ATM.

The EU cannot be described as democratic, as those who propose and frame its laws are not elected by the European people. The MEPs that they do elect are virtually powerless, just stooges.

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steeleye20 Croydon 17 Dec 21 11.46am
I was not expecting much because of covid. So a very good turn-out. The 34% swing I can't remember anything like that, so fundamental imo.
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Croydon 17 Dec 21 11.46am

I was not expecting much because of covid.

So a very good turn-out.

The 34% swing I can't remember anything like that, so fundamental imo.

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Mapletree Croydon 17 Dec 21 1.40pm
Originally posted by Badger11 Bit of a stretch here Steeleye. This was a typical mid term by election defeat. I doubt the voters were thinking about the EU and even the migrant boats. This was a straight forward bloody nose for a government from a very pissed off public, it happens. Matov is right Boris is not down and out just yet, besides the Tory backstabbers don't fancy taking over whilst the pandemic still rages. They will oust him in sometime later next year when things have calmed down. *Assumming the voters were thinking about migrants they might have voted against the government for the failure to stop them coming. So a vote against Boris not for the Lib Dems. However I prefer my first comment this was about sleaze and rule breaking. Edited by Badger11 (17 Dec 2021 10.39am) Typical this was not I don't think the Tories had prepared for a possible need to replace Paterson so had to bus in someone from Birmingham. Add that to all the other issues, they had a complete melt-down that has only happened to this extent 7 times since the War.
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Mapletree

Croydon 17 Dec 21 1.40pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Bit of a stretch here Steeleye.

This was a typical mid term by election defeat. I doubt the voters were thinking about the EU and even the migrant boats. This was a straight forward bloody nose for a government from a very pissed off public, it happens.

Matov is right Boris is not down and out just yet, besides the Tory backstabbers don't fancy taking over whilst the pandemic still rages. They will oust him in sometime later next year when things have calmed down.

*Assumming the voters were thinking about migrants they might have voted against the government for the failure to stop them coming. So a vote against Boris not for the Lib Dems. However I prefer my first comment this was about sleaze and rule breaking.

Edited by Badger11 (17 Dec 2021 10.39am)

Typical this was not

I don't think the Tories had prepared for a possible need to replace Paterson so had to bus in someone from Birmingham. Add that to all the other issues, they had a complete melt-down that has only happened to this extent 7 times since the War.

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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 17 Dec 21 2.24pm
Originally posted by Mapletree Typical this was not I don't think the Tories had prepared for a possible need to replace Paterson so had to bus in someone from Birmingham. Add that to all the other issues, they had a complete melt-down that has only happened to this extent 7 times since the War. The beauty of this is obviously bungle shot himself in the foot, trying to change the rules instead of letting the crooked CON take a month off- priceless!
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croydon proud

Any european country i fancy! 17 Dec 21 2.24pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

Typical this was not

The beauty of this is obviously bungle shot himself in the foot, trying to change the rules instead of letting the crooked CON take a month off- priceless!

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cryrst The garden of England 17 Dec 21 5.19pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I think that's basically right. Often those who are anti EU are painted as anti Europe when that's a lazy connection. Thatcher for example, started out as very much for the EU until she realised that the project was destined to essentially be anti most of her ideas. I think the EU could have worked far better if it had been far looser. Which is why Cameron gave us a vote on brexit. Clearly not learning lessons wherever it puts countries who leave the eu. Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Dec 2021 11.15am)
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The garden of England 17 Dec 21 5.19pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I think that's basically right.

Often those who are anti EU are painted as anti Europe when that's a lazy connection. Thatcher for example, started out as very much for the EU until she realised that the project was destined to essentially be anti most of her ideas.

I think the EU could have worked far better if it had been far looser.

Which is why Cameron gave us a vote on brexit.
Clearly not learning lessons wherever it puts countries who leave the eu.

Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Dec 2021 11.15am)

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Teddy Eagle 17 Dec 21 6.15pm
Who suspected the government essentially lived in Animal House? [Link]
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Teddy Eagle

17 Dec 21 6.15pm

Who suspected the government essentially lived in Animal House?

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Matov 17 Dec 21 9.41pm
Originally posted by croydon proud The beauty of this is obviously bungle shot himself in the foot, trying to change the rules instead of letting the crooked CON take a month off- priceless! It was a horrendous decision. An absolutely fundamental misjudgment of the political mood with many of his own MP's furious with him. Shocking misjudgment and now, he is paying the full price. Throw in the rebellion against this current round of Covid restrictions and he is clearly a man with a LOT of work to do. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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Matov

17 Dec 21 9.41pm

Originally posted by croydon proud

The beauty of this is obviously bungle shot himself in the foot, trying to change the rules instead of letting the crooked CON take a month off- priceless!

It was a horrendous decision. An absolutely fundamental misjudgment of the political mood with many of his own MP's furious with him.

Shocking misjudgment and now, he is paying the full price.

Throw in the rebellion against this current round of Covid restrictions and he is clearly a man with a LOT of work to do.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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Mapletree Croydon 18 Dec 21 12.22am
Originally posted by Matov It was a horrendous decision. An absolutely fundamental misjudgment of the political mood with many of his own MP's furious with him. Shocking misjudgment and now, he is paying the full price. Throw in the rebellion against this current round of Covid restrictions and he is clearly a man with a LOT of work to do. Well at least we know he is famed for his diligence, hard work and attention to detail. He’ll be fine…
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Mapletree

Croydon 18 Dec 21 12.22am

Originally posted by Matov

It was a horrendous decision. An absolutely fundamental misjudgment of the political mood with many of his own MP's furious with him.

Shocking misjudgment and now, he is paying the full price.

Throw in the rebellion against this current round of Covid restrictions and he is clearly a man with a LOT of work to do.

Well at least we know he is famed for his diligence, hard work and attention to detail. He’ll be fine…

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 18 Dec 21 5.23am
Originally posted by Matov It was a horrendous decision. An absolutely fundamental misjudgment of the political mood with many of his own MP's furious with him. Shocking misjudgment and now, he is paying the full price. Throw in the rebellion against this current round of Covid restrictions and he is clearly a man with a LOT of work to do. BJ actually wore a face mask on the interview shown yesterday, which is something The media smell blood, and open wounds are a-plenty, mostly self-inflicted. I disengage, I turn the page.
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Originally posted by Matov

It was a horrendous decision. An absolutely fundamental misjudgment of the political mood with many of his own MP's furious with him.

Shocking misjudgment and now, he is paying the full price.

Throw in the rebellion against this current round of Covid restrictions and he is clearly a man with a LOT of work to do.

BJ actually wore a face mask on the interview shown yesterday, which is something
The media smell blood, and open wounds are a-plenty, mostly self-inflicted.

I disengage, I turn the page.

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steeleye20 Croydon 18 Dec 21 11.04am
“when you peek behind the curtain, Tories are privileged, sneering elites who take the rest of us for fools”. From the tory front bench. They get it, the voters are yet to. Austerity, Brexit and Boris. The 'majority' have a lot to answer for.
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steeleye20

Croydon 18 Dec 21 11.04am

“when you peek behind the curtain, Tories are privileged, sneering elites who take the rest of us for fools”.

From the tory front bench.

They get it, the voters are yet to.

Austerity, Brexit and Boris.

The 'majority' have a lot to answer for.

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cryrst The garden of England 18 Dec 21 11.06am
Originally posted by steeleye20 “when you peek behind the curtain, Tories are privileged, sneering elites who take the rest of us for fools”. From the tory front bench. They get it, the voters are yet to. Austerity, Brexit and Boris. The 'majority' have a lot to answer for. Like money in their pockets with no threat of it being taxed away.
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cryrst

The garden of England 18 Dec 21 11.06am

Originally posted by steeleye20

“when you peek behind the curtain, Tories are privileged, sneering elites who take the rest of us for fools”.

From the tory front bench.

They get it, the voters are yet to.

Austerity, Brexit and Boris.

The 'majority' have a lot to answer for.

Like money in their pockets with no threat of it being taxed away.

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steeleye20 Croydon 18 Dec 21 12.19pm
Originally posted by cryrst Like money in their pockets with no threat of it being taxed away. The largest increase in taxation under Johnson since the post WW2 recovery. Plenty more to come. All you will be left with are a pile of debts and an arm like a second-hand dart-board.
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steeleye20

Croydon 18 Dec 21 12.19pm

Originally posted by cryrst

Like money in their pockets with no threat of it being taxed away.

The largest increase in taxation under Johnson since the post WW2 recovery.

Plenty more to come.

All you will be left with are a pile of debts and an arm like a second-hand dart-board.

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