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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 05 Jan 22 8.51pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

It's always particularly funny when a Labour politician tries to lecture the Tories about the economy.

Dianne Abbott anyone?

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 05 Jan 22 10.14pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Former Labour peer Lord Ahmed looks like he's going down.
Well he tried it 50 years ago and now it's happening again. He may well be someone's new special friend when he gets his.

 

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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 06 Jan 22 9.26am Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

Not sure this is the sort of language I would want a PM to use, whatever your political views

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I don't disagree, but like I said, you can't vote for Boris while claiming to care about language and niceness.

 

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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

I don't disagree, but like I said, you can't vote for Boris while claiming to care about language and niceness.

And this is the problem, do you not vote or take the best of a bad bunch?

 

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View BlueJay's Profile BlueJay Flag UK 06 Jan 22 10.02am Send a Private Message to BlueJay Add BlueJay as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

I don't disagree, but like I said, you can't vote for Boris while claiming to care about language and niceness.

As a nation, we love a good toff slagging off the man on the street! .

 

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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 06 Jan 22 10.04am Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

And this is the problem, do you not vote or take the best of a bad bunch?

I didn't vote in the last GE, predominantly because I lived in Lewisham at the time which is a nailed seat with 0 scope to change.

The whole system is a shambles - the sooner they get onto proportional representation, the better.

 

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View silvertop's Profile silvertop Flag bristol 06 Jan 22 11.53am Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

They tried that under the Coalition and it failed.

Moreover, the opposition on this site was all but unanimous.

This was mainly because they did not offer PR but a diluted version of it. I think people did not realise that this was a first step towards true PR and one that was palatable within our system as a transitional stage.

Unfortunately, it would have upset the 2-party dominance. Thus, the said 2 parties with vested interests piled all their resources into opposition and we had all the old myths about "weak" government etc. The public duly fell for it and the chance went, probably forever.

What was proposed was rubbish; but a better rubbish than the rubbish we have now.

 

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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 06 Jan 22 12.02pm Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by silvertop

They tried that under the Coalition and it failed.

Moreover, the opposition on this site was all but unanimous.

This was mainly because they did not offer PR but a diluted version of it. I think people did not realise that this was a first step towards true PR and one that was palatable within our system as a transitional stage.

Unfortunately, it would have upset the 2-party dominance. Thus, the said 2 parties with vested interests piled all their resources into opposition and we had all the old myths about "weak" government etc. The public duly fell for it and the chance went, probably forever.

What was proposed was rubbish; but a better rubbish than the rubbish we have now.

I'm not surprised those on the right oppose PR as the current system has ensured we have a government further right than the population for most of the last 50+ years.

Edited by EverybodyDannsNow (06 Jan 2022 12.02pm)

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Online Flag 06 Jan 22 12.25pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

I'm not surprised those on the right oppose PR as the current system has ensured we have a government further right than the population for most of the last 50+ years.

Edited by EverybodyDannsNow (06 Jan 2022 12.02pm)

Now we are financially fecked and with financial competence being one of the supposed identifiers of the right maybe those that say these labels are out of date have a point.

Difficult to navigate discussions without them though.

I'd call the Tories a neo liberal party while I'd call Labour and the liberals progressive. Everyone took a considerable step to the left from their previous positions.

 


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PR is a fairer system....but it's also a mess.

 


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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 06 Jan 22 12.38pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

I'm not surprised those on the right oppose PR as the current system has ensured we have a government further right than the population for most of the last 50+ years.

Edited by EverybodyDannsNow (06 Jan 2022 12.02pm)

You will have to explain that one.

There was me thinking that we have had a majority of 'Right leaning' governments because Labour are currently and historically a bad joke.

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 06 Jan 22 12.50pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

PR is a fairer system....but it's also a mess.

Exactly.

People have short memories what about when Theresa May was held to ransom by the DUP plenty of complaints then about minority parties having too much influence. Then of course there was the famous Tory Lib Dem pact when free students fees got tossed out of the window a key plank in Clegg's manifesto.

PR means that minority parties get too big a say and the voters may find like the Lib Dems that what they voted for gets crushed immediately due to back room haggling.

Why didn't Tony Blair introduce PR he had plenty of time?

FPTP is not perfect by any means but as long as you have a majority government you get policial stability.

 


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