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 EverybodyDannsNow  SE19 02 Aug 24 11.32am |
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Just for clarity; the Algerian boxer is not transexual.
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Watching that boxing match was frightening. The potential for permanent harm was very real. Sports really need to get a consensus of what is actually fair between competitors and not something pandering to not hurt someone's feelings.| Spiderman Horsham 02 Aug 24 2.30pm |
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly
Because he is a man ? Has XY chromosomes that is why the World Championship ban occurred
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| eaglesdare 02 Aug 24 2.39pm |
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Imagine training your whole life for this Olympics only to be knocked out almost literally by a man. I see a lot of feminists are very quiet over it. No outrage from them.
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 02 Aug 24 2.59pm |
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Originally posted by eaglesdare
Imagine training your whole life for this Olympics only to be knocked out almost literally by a man. I see a lot of feminists are very quiet over it. No outrage from them. She was born a woman, has been boxing women for the entirety of her career - she’s been beaten 9 times by other women. It’s amazing someone who has had 50-odd fights without much controversy and without being especially successful, is now such a danger to women and women’s sport. There are discussions to be had around how sporting bodies deal with these cases where people have sexual conditions, such as Caster Semenya previously, but people like yourself have little interest in detailed conversation and prefer to just lie and misrepresent. That people allow themselves to be so easily engineered to outrage should lead to some self reflection, but I won’t be holding my breath.
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palace_in_frogland  In a broken dream 02 Aug 24 3.07pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
She was born a woman, has been boxing women for the entirety of her career - she’s been beaten 9 times by other women. It’s amazing someone who has had 50-odd fights without much controversy and without being especially successful, is now such a danger to women and women’s sport. There are discussions to be had around how sporting bodies deal with these cases where people have sexual conditions, such as Caster Semenya previously, but people like yourself have little interest in detailed conversation and prefer to just lie and misrepresent. That people allow themselves to be so easily engineered to outrage should lead to some self reflection, but I won’t be holding my breath. Have you watched the footage of the bout?
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 02 Aug 24 3.09pm |
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Originally posted by palace_in_frogland
Have you watched the footage of the bout? Yes, I have.
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| palace_in_frogland In a broken dream 02 Aug 24 3.36pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
Yes, I have. Well, my perception is that there was a clear and potentially very dangerous mismatch of strength and power between the two boxers. Given that the Italian girl was, one would assume, at Olympic standard for her gender, the Algerian was not comparable in any metric. I wonder how long it will be before someone dies for the noble cause of inclusivity.
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 Hrolf The Ganger 02 Aug 24 3.41pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
Yes, I have. You lefties really are an odd crowd. She might have been born as a woman, but she clearly ain't a normal woman. She either has birth defects that have made her masculinised, or she has been doing a lot of gear. She was disqualified in a previous tournament for having too much testosterone. Why I wonder? Why do people like you defend the rights of such an individual but not the greater interests of the sport or the safety of other boxers? What is it in people like you that make you so odd?
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 02 Aug 24 3.59pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
You lefties really are an odd crowd. She might have been born as a woman, but she clearly ain't a normal woman. She either has birth defects that have made her masculinised, or she has been doing a lot of gear. She was disqualified in a previous tournament for having too much testosterone. Why I wonder? Why do people like you defend the rights of such an individual but not the greater interests of the sport or the safety of other boxers? What is it in people like you that make you so odd? I know you’re in your little safe space on here but in the real world there is nothing odd about my view. If you had the bottle to communicate outside of your little bubble you might realise that. Funny enough, whatever guesses you want to make about her genitalia are completely meaningless. I don’t tend to go round trying to guess what people’s genitalia look like, but each to their own like. We don’t have to wonder why she has high testosterone: she has a medical condition. She also has a cervix, which in the previous manufactured version of this debate, was the criteria people liked for what defines a woman. Apparently that no longer applies as you are told to be outraged all over again. She has had 50+ fights and as far as I’m aware has not caused any safety concerns or serious injury to opponents. Nor does she have a particularly impressive record. So any suggestion this is ruining the sport or the safety of the other participants doesn’t seem very well supported in reality, not that that matters anymore.
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| Wilesy01 Bristol 02 Aug 24 4.02pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
I know you’re in your little safe space on here but in the real world there is nothing odd about my view. If you had the bottle to communicate outside of your little bubble you might realise that. Funny enough, whatever guesses you want to make about her genitalia are completely meaningless. I don’t tend to go round trying to guess what people’s genitalia look like, but each to their own like. We don’t have to wonder why she has high testosterone: she has a medical condition. She also has a cervix, which in the previous manufactured version of this debate, was the criteria people liked for what defines a woman. Apparently that no longer applies as you are told to be outraged all over again. She has had 50+ fights and as far as I’m aware has not caused any safety concerns or serious injury to opponents. Nor does she have a particularly impressive record. So any suggestion this is ruining the sport or the safety of the other participants doesn’t seem very well supported in reality, not that that matters anymore. Great post.
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| georgenorman 02 Aug 24 4.52pm |
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Women shouldn't box - no one should really.
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| eaglesdare 02 Aug 24 5.03pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
She was born a woman, has been boxing women for the entirety of her career - she’s been beaten 9 times by other women. It’s amazing someone who has had 50-odd fights without much controversy and without being especially successful, is now such a danger to women and women’s sport. There are discussions to be had around how sporting bodies deal with these cases where people have sexual conditions, such as Caster Semenya previously, but people like yourself have little interest in detailed conversation and prefer to just lie and misrepresent. That people allow themselves to be so easily engineered to outrage should lead to some self reflection, but I won’t be holding my breath.
Hence the boxer is a Man. Edited by eaglesdare (02 Aug 2024 5.04pm)
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 02 Aug 24 5.14pm |
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Originally posted by eaglesdare
Hence the boxer is a Man. Edited by eaglesdare (02 Aug 2024 5.04pm) That’s factually untrue.
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| eaglesdare 02 Aug 24 5.20pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
That’s factually untrue. Making up your own science now then? Must not fit your narrative.
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 02 Aug 24 5.30pm |
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Originally posted by eaglesdare
Making up your own science now then? Must not fit your narrative. No, that’s exactly what you’re doing - just spend 5 minutes of your time on Google and you can find countless contributions to explain it.
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ASCPFC  Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 02 Aug 24 5.33pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
No, that’s exactly what you’re doing - just spend 5 minutes of your time on Google and you can find countless contributions to explain it. Could just ask Starmer.
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| eaglesdare 02 Aug 24 5.34pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
No, that’s exactly what you’re doing - just spend 5 minutes of your time on Google and you can find countless contributions to explain it. The science is that Men have XY chromosomes and Women have XX chromosomes. It's something we all learned in school. Unless you were not paying attention that day?
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