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View Kermit8's Profile Kermit8 Flag Hevon 01 Jul 16 7.24am Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

Originally posted by DivingIsNotGood

I was laughed off this thread when I stated there would be a massive recession, and many people will lose their homes.
Soon people will start to take my quotes seriously and realise, no, he's not a nut job after all!


Will never happen.

The last sentence.

 


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DivingIsNotGood Flag se25 01 Jul 16 7.45am

Originally posted by Kermit8


Will never happen.

The last sentence.


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View DaiShwmae's Profile DaiShwmae Flag 01 Jul 16 8.41am Send a Private Message to DaiShwmae Add DaiShwmae as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

I would bet good money the turnout would go up. Not actually sure what the outcome would be but my point is referenda are populist and therefore relatively fickle.

The turnout would probably be increased by all the remainers that didn't turn up for the original Referendum(I know a few), the ones that took it as a given that Remain would win so didn't bother voting.

 

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Originally posted by blackpalacefan

If we had a snap election that in itself would be a bit like another referendum, but the labour party has fallen apart and only 7 people vote libdem so the result is a foregone conclusion anyway lol

Labour would lose a chunk of votes to Ukip but it would largely depend on what plans they had for EU negotiations. The tories may actually lose some seats to Ukip and Remainer Lib-dems.

TBH, it's all up in the air, as it's difficult to gauge the public's reaction to the complete shambles that's followed the referendum.

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View OknotOK's Profile OknotOK Flag Cockfosters, London 01 Jul 16 10.49am Send a Private Message to OknotOK Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add OknotOK as a friend

Originally posted by thechaddyboy

If May gets the vote I can see the 'Leave' result being shelved on the basis it's unworkable.

I think she'll kick the can a long way down the road.

She's already said she will not trigger article 50 this year. So we'll get into next year and negotiations (formal or informal) will continue. And we'll get to the stage where we agree an EEA model allowing free movement of goods, services, capital, and people plus a slightly reduced contribution.

Then finally we'll leave and people will barely notice the difference.

Businesses will be materially unaffected. And the only people "worse off" will be the electorate who will have to deal with all of the rules and regulations and freedoms of the EU, but with none of the say at the negotiating table.

 


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View Cucking Funt's Profile Cucking Funt Flag Clapham on the Back 01 Jul 16 11.28am Send a Private Message to Cucking Funt Add Cucking Funt as a friend

Originally posted by OknotOK

I think she'll kick the can a long way down the road.

She's already said she will not trigger article 50 this year. So we'll get into next year and negotiations (formal or informal) will continue. And we'll get to the stage where we agree an EEA model allowing free movement of goods, services, capital, and people plus a slightly reduced contribution.

Then finally we'll leave and people will barely notice the difference.

Businesses will be materially unaffected. And the only people "worse off" will be the electorate who will have to deal with all of the rules and regulations and freedoms of the EU, but with none of the say at the negotiating table.

Democracy is for poofs, it would seem.

 


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View JohnyBoy's Profile JohnyBoy Flag 01 Jul 16 11.37am Send a Private Message to JohnyBoy Add JohnyBoy as a friend

Originally posted by OknotOK

I think she'll kick the can a long way down the road.

She's already said she will not trigger article 50 this year. So we'll get into next year and negotiations (formal or informal) will continue. And we'll get to the stage where we agree an EEA model allowing free movement of goods, services, capital, and people plus a slightly reduced contribution.

Then finally we'll leave and people will barely notice the difference.

Businesses will be materially unaffected. And the only people "worse off" will be the electorate who will have to deal with all of the rules and regulations and freedoms of the EU, but with none of the say at the negotiating table.

Here's where we are.
I voted remain and was as gutted as anyone but we are where we are and an out vote is out...end of..we would hope.....but now that becomes the problem. Because the markets are now pricing in a 30% chance of brexit never happening and even if it does we get a brexit 'light' i.e. still paying a large contribution (without a rebate) and 80% of freedom of eu movement (i.e. no significant reduction in immigration), but free trade and no veto (if e.g. Turkey tried to join.)
What does this mean: the uk economy gdp growth for next 12 months will shrink from 2.3% to 0.8% (so techically not a recession) problem is it will feel like one because what is keeping it positive is external trade ( boosted by the much weaker pound) but domestic demand will be much harder hit. If you work in construction, estate agency, advertising or any other sector that relies on domestic demand then prepare yourself for job losses, wage reductions etc. If you work in a sector exposed to us$ sales e.g pharma, oil then you will likely notice very little.
My investment advice would be to get out of property, out of domestically focussed uk equities and strategically short sterling where possible.
Meanwhile look very closely at the bond markets (the canary in the coal mine). 10y yields are now below 1% down 40+bps in one week. Annuities are 8% lower than before the referendum and remember most financial assets had been priced with some brexit risk. There will have to be some reallignment in public spending i.e reduce spending on nhs, pensions or benefits unless we throw out our fiscal discipline and raise debt (which then becomes more expensive exacerbated by credit rating downgrades 'with negative outlook')....some call it hobsons choice....but we have made it...like it or not.
The thing however that could make this all worse (apart from a political vacuum and the absence of a plan) is uncertainty over whether brexit will happen. This will likely only get worse as people begin to feel the pain in job losses, inflation etc and places like cornwall realises it will lose funding. However, as much as i was a strong remainer and am gutted to leave we have to GET OVER IT, WE VOTED LEAVE so press the article 50 button asap...and live with it.

 

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Originally posted by OknotOK

I think she'll kick the can a long way down the road.

She's already said she will not trigger article 50 this year. So we'll get into next year and negotiations (formal or informal) will continue. And we'll get to the stage where we agree an EEA model allowing free movement of goods, services, capital, and people plus a slightly reduced contribution.

Then finally we'll leave and people will barely notice the difference.

Businesses will be materially unaffected. And the only people "worse off" will be the electorate who will have to deal with all of the rules and regulations and freedoms of the EU, but with none of the say at the negotiating table.

You really think the economy can live with that level of uncertainty for so long?

Mind you, the alternative is just as bad I suppose. Article 50 and then 2 years minimum of trying to work out how to adjust.

Batten down the hatches, it's going to be a bumpy ride. Especially for those entering the labour market - or becoming pensioners - in the next couple of years. And that is where I came in to this discussion.

 

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View Part Time James's Profile Part Time James Flag 01 Jul 16 11.41am Send a Private Message to Part Time James Add Part Time James as a friend

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

Democracy is for poofs, it would seem.

Is it "poofs" or "pooves" the plural?

 




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View Cucking Funt's Profile Cucking Funt Flag Clapham on the Back 01 Jul 16 11.47am Send a Private Message to Cucking Funt Add Cucking Funt as a friend

Originally posted by Part Time James

Is it "poofs" or "pooves" the plural?

Interesting point you raise there as 'poove' can also be used as a singular form.

I'm guessing there's no right answer. It's sure to be something that'll be hotly debated in the years to come.

 


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Originally posted by JohnyBoy

Here's where we are.
I voted remain and was as gutted as anyone but we are where we are and an out vote is out...end of..we would hope.....but now that becomes the problem. Because the markets are now pricing in a 30% chance of brexit never happening and even if it does we get a brexit 'light' i.e. still paying a large contribution (without a rebate) and 80% of freedom of eu movement (i.e. no significant reduction in immigration), but free trade and no veto (if e.g. Turkey tried to join.)
What does this mean: the uk economy gdp growth for next 12 months will shrink from 2.3% to 0.8% (so techically not a recession) problem is it will feel like one because what is keeping it positive is external trade ( boosted by the much weaker pound) but domestic demand will be much harder hit. If you work in construction, estate agency, advertising or any other sector that relies on domestic demand then prepare yourself for job losses, wage reductions etc. If you work in a sector exposed to us$ sales e.g pharma, oil then you will likely notice very little.
My investment advice would be to get out of property, out of domestically focussed uk equities and strategically short sterling where possible.
Meanwhile look very closely at the bond markets (the canary in the coal mine). 10y yields are now below 1% down 40+bps in one week. Annuities are 8% lower than before the referendum and remember most financial assets had been priced with some brexit risk. There will have to be some reallignment in public spending i.e reduce spending on nhs, pensions or benefits unless we throw out our fiscal discipline and raise debt (which then becomes more expensive exacerbated by credit rating downgrades 'with negative outlook')....some call it hobsons choice....but we have made it...like it or not.
The thing however that could make this all worse (apart from a political vacuum and the absence of a plan) is uncertainty over whether brexit will happen. This will likely only get worse as people begin to feel the pain in job losses, inflation etc and places like cornwall realises it will lose funding. However, as much as i was a strong remainer and am gutted to leave we have to GET OVER IT, WE VOTED LEAVE so press the article 50 button asap...and live with it.

Re- the markets, other than the usual 'panic', the result of the referendum hasn't changed a thing. A huge downturn is due regardless, but 'Brexit' will no doubt be blamed by many.

Since the turn of the year, Gold +40% Silver +50%. These rises will continue for a long while yet, imo.

 


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