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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 26 Jan 17 12.56pm

Originally posted by Sedlescombe


Firstly there is no evidence that I have seen that Grant was a racist.

Secondly he was quoting what local people felt about the police and what had happened on the night yet it was reported that he was in some way celebrating what happened on the night. That was not true.

I feel the same about John Terry.

 


We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

Sedlescombe Flag Sedlescombe 26 Jan 17 1.03pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

I feel the same about John Terry.

If I had said he was then that would be a brilliant comeback. In the meantime the ball is still in your court given you said Grant was. Or perhaps you would just like to leave it there.

In the mean time I think Hoof wants your source for the Grant quote. Thems the rules I understand

Edited by Sedlescombe (26 Jan 2017 1.05pm)

 

nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 26 Jan 17 1.10pm

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

Sorry Sedles.... but if the right posters make an assertion about anything, they have to provide proof by way of a link or unique reference to justify that what they are saying is true otherwise it is laughed away by your lefty chums.

Fairs fair mate, you MUST provide irrefutable evidence that proves that you are not just making up what you've said above.

THese are now the rules of engagement everybody... no quotes without proof (and Wiki doesn't count as it is all made up).

Go on then. Justify your position that it is immigration not lack of investment that is causing problems in the NHS and Housing with the research that backs this up.

 

nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 26 Jan 17 1.12pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

The racist taxi-driver remark was on Twitter. What was her context then?
You need to ask her what led her to make racist statements.
Just Google the Finish nurses thing, you will see even the Finish government responded. Go to the British Newspaper Library and read her original Hackney Gazette article. Stop trying to pretend she never said it! Or perhaps it is some Jewish conspiracy?
By the way, the earth is round, not flat. Do I need to provide some evidence of this?

I'll look up the Finnish stuff when I'm not using my dog and on a pc.
Do I just type 'finnish nurses thing' into Google. Will it be safe for the kids to be around?

 

Sedlescombe Flag Sedlescombe 26 Jan 17 1.19pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

I'll look up the Finnish stuff when I'm not using my dog and on a pc.
Do I just type 'finnish nurses thing' into Google. Will it be safe for the kids to be around?


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This might help. A "foreigners coming over stealing our jobs" diatribe that many people on here would probably approve of though less about race than unemployment

Id add an emoji if I new how

 

npn Flag Crowborough 26 Jan 17 1.25pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

I'll look up the Finnish stuff when I'm not using my dog and on a pc.
Do I just type 'finnish nurses thing' into Google. Will it be safe for the kids to be around?

A frequent denouncer of racial discrimination, she stood accused of it when she complained in 1996 that the 'blonde, blue-eyed Finnish girls' in her local hospital in east London were unsuitable as nurses because they had 'never met a black person before'.

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I took it from the Guardian so the source could not be denounced

She's an odious woman, but, you know what, I don't know that she is a racist just based on gaffes she's made, but I believe that about anyone really. Saying something stupid doesn't make you anything other than someone who once said something stupid. Same with her "West Indian mothers would go to the wall for their children" remark. I know what she's saying, but if Farage, for instance, had said something similar he'd be hung up by his saggy face for it

 

hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 26 Jan 17 1.33pm

Originally posted by Sedlescombe

If I had said he was then that would be a brilliant comeback. In the meantime the ball is still in your court given you said Grant was. Or perhaps you would just like to leave it there.

In the mean time I think Hoof wants your source for the Grant quote. Thems the rules I understand

Edited by Sedlescombe (26 Jan 2017 1.05pm)

I merely quoted what he said in support of Diane Abbott's racist remarks about Finish Nurses. However, as what he said was just as racist as what Abbott said, I'm happy to label him racist too. Although I would add that I think the term 'racist' has lost any specific meaning anyway. It's just used to attack anyone you oppose who makes any comment that has any sort of racial connotations. I think Grant's tacit support of people who try to chop of policemen's heads far more serious a matter. As for sources, just Google these quotes and you will find a plethora of material from newspapers etc of the time - don't be lazy.


Edited by hedgehog50 (26 Jan 2017 1.38pm)

 


We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

Sedlescombe Flag Sedlescombe 26 Jan 17 1.53pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

I merely quoted what he said in support of Diane Abbott's racist remarks about Finish Nurses. However, as what he said was just as racist as what Abbott said, I'm happy to label him racist too. Although I would add that I think the term 'racist' has lost any specific meaning anyway. It's just used to attack anyone you oppose who makes any comment that has any sort of racial connotations. I think Grant's tacit support of people who try to chop of policemen's heads far more serious a matter. As for sources, just Google these quotes and you will find a plethora of material from newspapers etc of the time - don't be lazy.


I think it is a moronic thing to say, if true, but is not yet enough for me to call him a racist. Quotes can be manipulated as I have demonstrated.

Edited by hedgehog50 (26 Jan 2017 1.38pm)

 

elgrande Flag bedford 26 Jan 17 2.52pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Well done for answering for elgrande. I'm sure he could have managed for himself.

Can you provide sources for your assertations. I already know about the out of context tweet.

Actually I have just got in nick,some of us have to work for a living.
And it's the exact same things I saw on the links I saw,they are facts she has said all of those things.

 


always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 26 Jan 17 3.50pm

Originally posted by elgrande

Actually I have just got in nick,some of us have to work for a living.
And it's the exact same things I saw on the links I saw,they are facts she has said all of those things.

I've just got in from work myself. being a tutor I have gaps here and there where I fill some of my time on here.

You are right, she has said all of those things, however taken out of the context of the situation/conversation (or whatever) they can be used to mislead those that blindly believe what they read in the paper - especially if it repeated over and over again.


Back to the eu....
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6 lines!!! Might as well have written, Dear parliament, vote for us to do what we bloody well want.
Love dave

Edited by nickgusset (26 Jan 2017 3.51pm)

 

susmik Flag PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 26 Jan 17 4.41pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

I've just got in from work myself. being a tutor I have gaps here and there where I fill some of my time on here.

You are right, she has said all of those things, however taken out of the context of the situation/conversation (or whatever) they can be used to mislead those that blindly believe what they read in the paper - especially if it repeated over and over again.


Back to the eu....
[Link]

6 lines!!! Might as well have written, Dear parliament, vote for us to do what we bloody well want.
Love dave

Edited by nickgusset (26 Jan 2017 3.51pm)

Surely you mean Love Theresa Nick?

 


Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 26 Jan 17 4.56pm

Originally posted by susmik

Surely you mean Love Theresa Nick?

No, David Davies is the one wot wrote it.

 

susmik Flag PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 26 Jan 17 5.09pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

No, David Davies is the one wot wrote it.

My apologies Nick but either way I think he did a fantastic job in making it short and sweet which will make that awful woman Gina Miller think again plus Tim Farron who is another first class idiot.
I just hope that all the remainers realise that there is NO going back we WILL leave the EU as the people voted for no matter what they try to do to stop it...

 


Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 26 Jan 17 5.23pm

Originally posted by susmik

My apologies Nick but either way I think he did a fantastic job in making it short and sweet which will make that awful woman Gina Miller think again plus Tim Farron who is another first class idiot.
I just hope that all the remainers realise that there is NO going back we WILL leave the EU as the people voted for no matter what they try to do to stop it...

The devil is in the detail, of which there is none!
Yes invoke a50, but let's look into it properly before doing so.

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 26 Jan 17 5.54pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

The devil is in the detail, of which there is none!
Yes invoke a50, but let's look into it properly before doing so.

I'm Ba aaaaaack!


Such a wonderful scenario brewing in Westminster.

The muppets on the left can't vote down Article 50, especially in the Lords, because they will be signing their own death warrants if they do.
Even trying to object to the details like leaving the free market is likely to backfire.
If May is forced to call an election over it, your party will probably cease to exist and the Lords will be reformed eith the Tories creating loads of peers to regain a majority.

A large proportion of people want hard Brexit and more significantly, the Tories will win a massive landslide victory with that promise if an election is called.
In any case, all that the idiots in the Liberal Party SNP and Labour will do by achieving a second referendum is to destablise the economy by prolonging uncertainty. The irony is that they would achieve the very thing they told us they wanted to avoid by voting remain. But it won't happen, because the worms in both houses are more worried about their own futures than any philosophy.
Jeremy Corbyn will do nothing because that 'honest' politician only cares about being in charge of his little echo chamber club.

I love politics.

 

steeleye20 Flag Croydon 26 Jan 17 6.12pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I'm Ba aaaaaack!


Such a wonderful scenario brewing in Westminster.

The muppets on the left can't vote down Article 50, especially in the Lords, because they will be signing their own death warrants if they do.
Even trying to object to the details like leaving the free market is likely to backfire.
If May is forced to call an election over it, your party will probably cease to exist and the Lords will be reformed eith the Tories creating loads of peers to regain a majority.

A large proportion of people want hard Brexit and more significantly, the Tories will win a massive landslide victory with that promise if an election is called.
In any case, all that the idiots in the Liberal Party SNP and Labour will do by achieving a second referendum is to destablise the economy by prolonging uncertainty. The irony is that they would achieve the very thing they told us they wanted to avoid by voting remain. But it won't happen, because the worms in both houses are more worried about their own futures than any philosophy.
Jeremy Corbyn will do nothing because that 'honest' politician only cares about being in charge of his little echo chamber club.

I love politics.

Welcome back.

You are right about the UK but it's a whole new ball game on the continent.

Can't wait to see Johnson's 'punishment beating' dvd probably be an import from Amsterdam cheap as no tariff on single market goods.

Still we have our new trade deal with Papua New
Guinea..

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 26 Jan 17 6.22pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Welcome back.

You are right about the UK but it's a whole new ball game on the continent.

Can't wait to see Johnson's 'punishment beating' dvd probably be an import from Amsterdam cheap as no tariff on single market goods.

Still we have our new trade deal with Papua New
Guinea..

Well see won't we.

Because Remainers and economists have got it so right so far haven't they. (That's sarcasm for those who don't get it)

 

steeleye20 Flag Croydon 26 Jan 17 6.37pm

Like many you associate leave with leaving the single market and customs union. Why?

Our total trade with the EU is approaching 400 billions annually in the single market.

The EU are not anti-UK they are bemused as we have been so successful why would we change that.

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 26 Jan 17 8.18pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Like many you associate leave with leaving the single market and customs union. Why?

Our total trade with the EU is approaching 400 billions annually in the single market.

The EU are not anti-UK they are bemused as we have been so successful why would we change that.

Simple. Because the single market comes with a free movement clause and people mainly voted Brexit to reduce immigration. If Europe want us to stay in the market then they only need to remove that ball and chain and let us set our own levels.

The next sensible objective for UKIP will be to campaign to get all immigration reduced IMO.

 

legaleagle Flag 26 Jan 17 9.51pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Simple. Because the single market comes with a free movement clause and people mainly voted Brexit to reduce immigration. If Europe want us to stay in the market then they only need to remove that ball and chain and let us set our own levels.

The next sensible objective for UKIP will be to campaign to get all immigration reduced IMO.

I agree with you why most people who voted Brexit did so.Difference is you view it as a positive thing whereas I see it in as a negative genie out of the bottle moment because IMHO isn't the root cause (as opposed to blame) of most people's woes..Interesting to see if UKIP go your way and become a modern day NF (but cleaned up for public consumption like the modern NF in France)campaigning almost wholly on an anti immigrant platform.

 

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