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nickgusset  Shizzlehurst 01 Jul 16 12.08pm |
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Originally posted by Part Time James
Is it "poofs" or "pooves" the plural? The prooves are in the puddings
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 silvertop Portishead 01 Jul 16 12.11pm |
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Originally posted by -TUX-
Re- the markets, other than the usual 'panic', the result of the referendum hasn't changed a thing. A huge downturn is due regardless, but 'Brexit' will no doubt be blamed by many.
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| OknotOK Cockfosters, London 01 Jul 16 12.21pm |
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Originally posted by Cucking Funt
Democracy is for poofs, it would seem. Well that would still represent democracy. No one officially voted on the model for Brexit. And the majority of our democratically elected representatives support Remain and/or an EEA model. So they wouldn't strictly be thwarting our democracy, they'd just be subverting it in a way they knew wasn't what was intended by the voting public.... .... the lying deceitful scumbags. Edited by OknotOK (01 Jul 2016 12.21pm)
"It's almost like a moral decision. Except not really cos noone is going to find out," Jez, Peep Show |
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| Part Time James 01 Jul 16 12.26pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
The prooves are in the puddings I don't want to sound like one of them homophobes or nuffink but I aint having any more pudding if it's made by pooves or prooves. Get back to Russia.
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| Part Time James 01 Jul 16 12.28pm |
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Originally posted by Cucking Funt
Interesting point you raise there as 'poove' can also be used as a singular form. I'm guessing there's no right answer. It's sure to be something that'll be hotly debated in the years to come. I'd say a poof is probably just a bloke likes a bit of other male bum (perfectly normal and accepted in society). A poove is probably one that talks like Alan Carr and says "OMG" when they see scatter cushions. Fair game for hate crime I say.
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-TUX-  Alphabettispaghetti 01 Jul 16 12.29pm |
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Originally posted by silvertop
I've not said we shouldn't worry, many should.
Time to move forward together. |
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| DivingIsNotGood se25 01 Jul 16 1.15pm |
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VOTE TO REMAIN will LOVE this [Link]
VOTING OUT - Brexit will allow Britain to embrace the Commonwealth and be GREAT again |
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| blackpalacefan 01 Jul 16 4.41pm |
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I notice that none of the leadership contenders have yet had the honesty to state that the very moment we leave the EU to default to WTO rules. You can't transition out of it. We default to WTO trading from the moment we enact article 50 'until' we have a new rule in place - which will be years. That will instantly elevate tarrifs and create other barriers. Even if we get a deal together in two year which in trade terms seems unlikely, very significant damage will be done to the country during that period. To make matters worse even our WTO access is based on our EU membership. "The head of the WTO has stated that it is likely the UK will have to renegotiate the terms of its WTO membership, as at least some members will not be happy to simply allow UK membership to continue." so we'll get screwed by the rest of the world too but just the EU.
Edited by blackpalacefan (01 Jul 2016 4.55pm)
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 01 Jul 16 5.22pm |
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Originally posted by OknotOK
I think she'll kick the can a long way down the road. She's already said she will not trigger article 50 this year. So we'll get into next year and negotiations (formal or informal) will continue. And we'll get to the stage where we agree an EEA model allowing free movement of goods, services, capital, and people plus a slightly reduced contribution. Then finally we'll leave and people will barely notice the difference. Businesses will be materially unaffected. And the only people "worse off" will be the electorate who will have to deal with all of the rules and regulations and freedoms of the EU, but with none of the say at the negotiating table. When did she say she will not trigger article 50 this year? Did she say it in her presentation yesterday or last night or today? If this is true then she's going to infuriate a lot of people after being elected PM by the Tory party membership. Stalling till after a General Election may satisfy some but it's unlikely to help our aims, especially when the Tories will win whatever. Does she want the mandate and less blame rather than no mandate and a better hand and conditions by any chance?
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DaiShwmae  01 Jul 16 5.27pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
When did she say she will not trigger article 50 this year? Did she say it in her presentation yesterday or last night or today? If this is true then she's going to infuriate a lot of people after being elected PM by the Tory party membership. Stalling till after a General Election may satisfy some but it's unlikely to help our aims, especially when the Tories will win whatever. Does she want the mandate and less blame rather than no mandate and a better hand and conditions by any chance? I'm sure I heard Gove say he wouldn't be triggering article 50 this year today too. I may have misheard him though.
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| blackpalacefan 01 Jul 16 5.36pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
When did she say she will not trigger article 50 this year? Did she say it in her presentation yesterday or last night or today? If this is true then she's going to infuriate a lot of people after being elected PM by the Tory party membership. Stalling till after a General Election may satisfy some but it's unlikely to help our aims, especially when the Tories will win whatever. Does she want the mandate and less blame rather than no mandate and a better hand and conditions by any chance? The moment we leave, we're back to WTO rules which will instantly be very damaging to many of our industries. The WTO tarrifs are also likely to be worse than they are already and require renegotiation because they too are connected to our EU membership. If she has said this, it's very sensible as there is an awful lot to unpick and work out to the point where just starting the countdown ASAP and 'seeing what happens' isn't a responsible or intelligent plan. Let a new leader of a new government find their feet because it's a momumental task that is likely to be damaging economically at least however it pans out. We don't even have a team together to try to negotiate the deal. The sensible move you could argue is to wait and wait and wait until the EU offers some assurances. Legally that is difficult as we can't form a new agreement while in this one, but one of the few strengths we have is that we haven't left yet. They don't want us to 'leave now' for our own health.
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| Mapletree Croydon 01 Jul 16 6.04pm |
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Originally posted by blackpalacefan
I notice that none of the leadership contenders have yet had the honesty to state that the very moment we leave the EU to default to WTO rules. You can't transition out of it. We default to WTO trading from the moment we enact article 50 'until' we have a new rule in place - which will be years. That will instantly elevate tarrifs and create other barriers. Even if we get a deal together in two year which in trade terms seems unlikely, very significant damage will be done to the country during that period. To make matters worse even our WTO access is based on our EU membership. "The head of the WTO has stated that it is likely the UK will have to renegotiate the terms of its WTO membership, as at least some members will not be happy to simply allow UK membership to continue." so we'll get screwed by the rest of the world too but just the EU.
Edited by blackpalacefan (01 Jul 2016 4.55pm) Thanks for the link which is incredibly useful.
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