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wordup  30 Nov 17 3.04pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Name these people. Who are the people speaking out about the progressive..and to be fair now mainstream attack on civil liberties? Who was supporting other attacks on civil liberties that are country wide? What? The president himself and his party do that on an almost daily basis. That's his entire persona and he tries to dismantle anything he's able to that gets in his way. Thankfully the system tends to buckle rather than break, but it's obvious why he fawns over Putin and Duterte. He would love to govern how they do. Is that really someone we should praise? Talk radio, which is massively popular in the states is largely right wing, and does nothing but talk out about progressives and has frequently got people fired and advertising pulled much in the same way that groups on the left do. TV Media is fast being bought up by ultra rich types like the koch brothers who just played a large part in buying TIME magazine just last week. Trump is shoving through judges that match his outlook at a rate never seen with previous presidents in an attempt to be unaccountable and also stole a place on the supreme court which with someone who from his stated views just cant wait to take away abortion and marriage rights and other assorted freedoms.. What happened to Colin Kaepernick after his take a knee view? Oh thats right he didn't ever play football again. Much like the google guy with his views on women, different political shade, same outrage and result.. I took issue with both of those things. I didnt see one as a misguided black fool I needed a rant about, and the other as some kind of wronged 'anti progressive' hero. Just because you're blind to things you personally agree with it doesn't mean they aren't happening.
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 Stirlingsays 30 Nov 17 3.20pm |
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Originally posted by wordup
What? The president himself and his party do that on an almost daily basis. That's his entire persona and he tries to dismantle anything he's able to that gets in his way. Thankfully the system tends to buckle rather than break, but it's obvious why he fawns over Putin and Duterte. He would love to govern how they do. Is that really someone we should praise? Talk radio, which is massively popular in the states is largely right wing, and does nothing but talk out about progressives and has frequently got people fired and advertising pulled much in the same way that groups on the left do. TV Media is fast being bought up by ultra rich types like the koch brothers who just played a large part in buying TIME magazine just last week. Trump is shoving through judges that match his outlook at a rate never seen with previous presidents in an attempt to be unaccountable and also stole a place on the supreme court which with someone who from his stated views just cant wait to take away abortion and marriage rights and other assorted freedoms.. What happened to Colin Kaepernick after his take a knee view? Oh thats right he didn't ever play football again. Much like the google guy with his views on women, different political shade, same outrage and result.. I took issue with both of those things. I didnt see one as a misguided black fool I needed a rant about, and the other as some kind of wronged 'anti progressive' hero. Just because you're blind to things you personally agree with it doesn't mean they aren't happening. Well, to be fair....Trump may be problematic on civil liberties if this stuff on net neutrality is true. 'The Muslim ban', is a security issue in my book but we could discuss that. As for the morons on the left or right to hassle and bully organizations and individuals into being sacked or leaving their jobs I have nothing but contempt for them. I don't support that at all. Sure, in some areas future hiring should be looked at....especially in education regarding the humanities and the broadcast media.....but again, each situation is it's own arena. People should be encouraged to act professionally and reminded if they skate the law......I would like a more even distribution left and right and centralist in most situations. Colin Kaepernick wasn't playing regularly anyway and was aging. Of course teams taking him on was a hot potato......You seriously think that if this guy was any good he wouldn't be playing? He gets huge support from the progressives and is a millionaire....boo hoo for him. I certainly criticised him for politicising sport....I never said he should be sacked...was he sacked? Damore was sacked from a job he was performing every day. He was responding to a highly politicized job environment that he even tried to help.....he isn't even particularly right wing as I can see....these are not the same but they share the problems of being over reacted too....that I agree with....but that is the nature of media and polarization. Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Nov 2017 3.21pm)
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 30 Nov 17 3.21pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Again, this is an example of someone blurring the line between opinion and supporting actual action. Nothing I believe in impedes on my belief in civil liberties. I'm not fond of 'gay marriage' I don't view it as having an equal worth to society. However, I've always supported the principle that the state treats everyone obeying the law the same. Hence I agree with the principle of 'gay marriage' as something that should be allowed. I've never said the opposite. Are you getting this? There are certain situations in gay adoption where the child is deprived of a mother figure that I think represents a problem and isn't something I approve of. If I think the state is doing something that harms a child or anyone else for purely ideological reasons I'll state it. But I never said gay adoption should be against the law. If that was how I felt I would have said it. I don't know what the context of 'decent' was. I support civil liberties. We can debate what civil liberties are but you appear more fond of trying to demonise those standing up for them. Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Nov 2017 2.58pm) Demonise those who think it's ok for the POTUS to endorse a far right , quasi nazi British group borne from the national front, to 4 million twitter followers? Too f***ing right
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| Stirlingsays 30 Nov 17 3.28pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Demonise those who think it's ok for the POTUS to endorse a far right , quasi nazi British group borne from the national front, to 4 million twitter followers? Too f***ing right He retweeted videos. He probably knows as much about that group as I do. I have no problem with what he did, it wasn't presidential....that's true, but showing the problem we face is showing truth. You supported punching supposed 'Nazis' in the street for many weeks on here. Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Nov 2017 3.29pm)
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| wordup 30 Nov 17 3.33pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Well, to be fair....Trump may be problematic on civil liberties if this stuff on net neutrality is true. 'The Muslim ban', is a security issue in my book but we could discuss that. As for the morons on the left or right to hassle and bully organizations and individuals into being sacked or leaving their jobs I have nothing but contempt for them. I don't support that at all. Sure, in some areas future hiring should be looked at....especially in education regarding the humanities and the broadcast media.....but again, each situation is it's own arena. People should be encouraged to act professionally and reminded if they skate the law......I would like a more even distribution left and right and centralist in most situations. Colin Kaepernick wasn't playing regularly anyway and was aging. Of course teams taking him on was a hot potato......You seriously think that if this guy was any good he wouldn't be playing? He gets huge support from the progressives and is a millionaire....boo hoo for him. I certainly criticised him for politicising sport....I never said he should be sacked...was he sacked? Damore was sacked from a job he was performing every day. He was responding to a highly politicized job environment that he even tried to help.....he isn't even particularly right wing as I can see....these are not the same but they share the problems of being over reacted too....that I agree with....but that is the nature of media and polarization. Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Nov 2017 3.21pm) Rather than commenting on the one of two things I don't agree with, yes I broadly agree with much of this. The same issues broadly exist in one form or another on the left and right, it is all a matter of what we choose to focus on. It doesn't help though that someone as extreme as Trump intentionally picks at these social divisions. When you really think about it, a non reaction to his behaviour would be much more concerning than the reaction he has received.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 30 Nov 17 3.37pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
There are probably plenty but they dare not speak their minds for fear of reprisals from the loony left and other parties who only care about feathering their own nests. Completely not my experience of University. Most of the lecturers and professors I met were liberal, apolitical or conservative. Only our sociology tutor was really left wing (and he was doing his post-grad). I guess some were probably labour left wing (this was the 90s). The Sociology tutor however would have filled many stereotypes, turning up in his PLO neck scarf, combat boots and trousers, covered with all manner of right on patches... No one liked him. The rest, very middle of the roads and very pedestrian.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 30 Nov 17 3.44pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
He retweeted videos. He probably knows as much about that group as I do. I have no problem with what he did, it wasn't presidential....that's true, but showing the problem we face is showing truth. You supported punching supposed 'Nazis' in the street for many weeks on here. Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Nov 2017 3.29pm) Show the problem we are facing, but not via an islamaphobic far right group. But if you are fine with one of the most powerful on the planet promoting a far right group for his own political ends, then so be it. I am not.
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| Stirlingsays 30 Nov 17 3.47pm |
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Originally posted by wordup
Rather than commenting on the one of two things I don't agree with, yes I broadly agree with much of this. The same issues broadly exist in one form or another on the left and right, it is all a matter of what we choose to focus on. It doesn't help though that someone as extreme as Trump intentionally picks at these social divisions. When you really think about it, a non reaction to his behaviour would be much more concerning than the reaction he has received. I agree that the over reaction to Trump doesn't help anyone. Objectivity is always better.....being a hot head myself it's a lesson I've had slowly drummed into me by life. It's the better part of our natures. I'm guilty of enjoying the reaction to Trump....I spend a lot of time attacking the over emotional reactions.....but do I think it's helpful or better for society. No....not really. Adults shouldn't act like children....and the fact that they do is partly why we have Trump in the first place.....however, to be fair...this is a forum and a place to vent steam as well, so we get a partial pass, perhaps. So for myself I suggest that Trump should be respected for his position and encouraged and supported to take his role responsibly.....but attacking him publicly, like May and other Tories have done is extremely fool hardy and likely to backfire. Diplomacy for me. Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Nov 2017 3.48pm)
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| Stirlingsays 30 Nov 17 3.51pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Show the problem we are facing, but not via an islamaphobic far right group. But if you are fine with one of the most powerful on the planet promoting a far right group for his own political ends, then so be it. I am not. I don't know that he did that....but hey ho. Trump is Trump....I have more concern for those being thrown off of roofs than what Trump retweets. Perhaps you should stop worrying about Trump so much......he isn't affecting your life.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 30 Nov 17 3.53pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I don't know that he did that....but hey ho. Trump is Trump....I have more concern for those being thrown off of roofs than what Trump retweets. Perhaps you should stop worrying about Trump so much......he isn't affecting your life.
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 Hrolf The Ganger 30 Nov 17 4.02pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Only if they throw people off of rooves.
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| wordup 30 Nov 17 4.17pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I agree that the over reaction to Trump doesn't help anyone. Objectivity is always better.....being a hot head myself it's a lesson I've had slowly drummed into me by life. It's the better part of our natures. I'm guilty of enjoying the reaction to Trump....I spend a lot of time attacking the over emotional reactions.....but do I think it's helpful or better for society. No....not really. Adults shouldn't act like children....and the fact that they do is partly why we have Trump in the first place.....however, to be fair...this is a forum and a place to vent steam as well, so we get a partial pass, perhaps. So for myself I suggest that Trump should be respected for his position and encouraged and supported to take his role responsibly.....but attacking him publicly, like May and other Tories have done is extremely fool hardy and likely to backfire. Diplomacy for me. Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Nov 2017 3.48pm) Unfortunately, Trump and those on the bandwagon are caught up in as much as an emotional overeaction as anything that has come before. I would say that a majority of even Americans can see that, and the midterms will demonstrate it.
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| Stirlingsays 30 Nov 17 4.56pm |
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Originally posted by wordup
Unfortunately, Trump and those on the bandwagon are caught up in as much as an emotional overeaction as anything that has come before. I would say that a majority of even Americans can see that, and the midterms will demonstrate it. The midterms will be interesting.....well every American election is fascinating.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 30 Nov 17 5.11pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Only if they throw people off of rooves. Nice. They must do eh because they are Muslims. -.-'
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Kermit8  Hevon 30 Nov 17 7.22pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
? It isn't because they are Freemasons. It's a form of Islam, they are Muslims. It's just Muslims you don't like. They are mixed in everywhere. You are just trying to mangle the argument....no one says all Muslims. Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Nov 2017 5.15pm) Britain First do.
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| Stirlingsays 30 Nov 17 7.32pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Britain First do. Can you show me?
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| Kermit8 Hevon 30 Nov 17 7.41pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Can you show me? Youtube some of their demos/speeches. The Belfast one which has got Fransen some court time is a good example. They just don't qualify any of it. They aren't intelligent enough but they love rabble-rousing. They really hate anyone who appears to be muslim. Back in the 70's they would have been called p@ki-bashers.
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