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matt_himself Matataland 01 Feb 17 10.06pm
To those of you living in Carshalton and Wallington, you voted 61% in favour of Brexit last June, yet your MP votes remain today: [Link] Remember this when at the ballot box. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

matt_himself

Matataland 01 Feb 17 10.06pm

To those of you living in Carshalton and Wallington, you voted 61% in favour of Brexit last June, yet your MP votes remain today:

[Link]

Remember this when at the ballot box.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

matt_himself Matataland 01 Feb 17 10.07pm
Originally posted by davenotamonkey Not so fast. Still committee stage, amendments, third reading and the Lords to go... We've gone too far now, "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

matt_himself

Matataland 01 Feb 17 10.07pm

Originally posted by davenotamonkey

Not so fast. Still committee stage, amendments, third reading and the Lords to go...

We've gone too far now,

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

Hrolf The Ganger 01 Feb 17 10.17pm
Originally posted by matt_himself To those of you living in Carshalton and Wallington, you voted 61% in favour of Brexit last June, yet your MP votes remain today: [Link] Remember this when at the ballot box. I hope we can see a graphic of who voted for what. No pitch forks and torches, just a guide to who represented their constituents and who went with their own leanings.

Hrolf The Ganger

01 Feb 17 10.17pm

Originally posted by matt_himself

To those of you living in Carshalton and Wallington, you voted 61% in favour of Brexit last June, yet your MP votes remain today:

[Link]

Remember this when at the ballot box.

I hope we can see a graphic of who voted for what.

No pitch forks and torches, just a guide to who represented their constituents and who went with their own leanings.

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 01 Feb 17 10.23pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger I hope we can see a graphic of who voted for what. No pitch forks and torches, just a guide to who represented their constituents and who went with their own leanings. Or who voted for what they thought was in the best interests of their constituents, that's what mp's are supposed to do, otherwise they would be delegates.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 01 Feb 17 10.23pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I hope we can see a graphic of who voted for what.

No pitch forks and torches, just a guide to who represented their constituents and who went with their own leanings.

Or who voted for what they thought was in the best interests of their constituents, that's what mp's are supposed to do, otherwise they would be delegates.

Hrolf The Ganger 01 Feb 17 10.33pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Or who voted for what they thought was in the best interests of their constituents, that's what mp's are supposed to do, otherwise they would be delegates. Hmmm. That is assuming they are qualified to do so. I'd say judging by the so called expertise displayed on the subject so far, that is unlikely. I'd rather let people choose their own fate via the democratic process of the referendum. Would you let politicians choose the government?

Hrolf The Ganger

01 Feb 17 10.33pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Or who voted for what they thought was in the best interests of their constituents, that's what mp's are supposed to do, otherwise they would be delegates.

Hmmm.

That is assuming they are qualified to do so.
I'd say judging by the so called expertise displayed on the subject so far, that is unlikely.
I'd rather let people choose their own fate via the democratic process of the referendum.
Would you let politicians choose the government?

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 01 Feb 17 10.38pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Hmmm. That is assuming they are qualified to do so. I'd say judging by the so called expertise displayed on the subject so far, that is unlikely. I'd rather let people choose their own fate via the democratic process of the referendum. Would you let politicians choose the government? MP's are elected to vote in their constituents interests. It is up to constituents to decide who they elect to do this. Why isn't Kenneth Clarke being coated by the press?

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 01 Feb 17 10.38pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Hmmm.

MP's are elected to vote in their constituents interests. It is up to constituents to decide who they elect to do this.

Why isn't Kenneth Clarke being coated by the press?

Hrolf The Ganger 01 Feb 17 10.45pm
Originally posted by nickgusset MP's are elected to vote in their constituents interests. It is up to constituents to decide who they elect to do this. Why isn't Kenneth Clarke being coated by the press? In normal circumstances perhaps but this was a specific matter which involved a referendum to determine the wishes of the people. I believe that it was not a time to vote against those wishes for a number of reasons. I'm sure Ken Clark will receive stick.

Hrolf The Ganger

01 Feb 17 10.45pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

MP's are elected to vote in their constituents interests. It is up to constituents to decide who they elect to do this.

Why isn't Kenneth Clarke being coated by the press?

In normal circumstances perhaps but this was a specific matter which involved a referendum to determine the wishes of the people. I believe that it was not a time to vote against those wishes for a number of reasons.

I'm sure Ken Clark will receive stick.

Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Stoke sub normal 01 Feb 17 10.46pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Or who voted for what they thought was in the best interests of their constituents, that's what mp's are supposed to do, otherwise they would be delegates. I thought their constituents already voted for what they want. They should do what they are elected to do. Represent their constituents. That's democracy Gusset. Systematically dragged down by the lawmakers

Tim Gypsy Hill '64

Stoke sub normal 01 Feb 17 10.46pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Or who voted for what they thought was in the best interests of their constituents, that's what mp's are supposed to do, otherwise they would be delegates.

I thought their constituents already voted for what they want. They should do what they are elected to do. Represent their constituents. That's democracy Gusset.

Systematically dragged down by the lawmakers

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 01 Feb 17 10.55pm
[quote=Tim Gypsy Hill '64;3120769] I thought their constituents already voted for what they want. They should do what they are elected to do. Represent their constituents. That's democracy Gusset. The case of the eu referendum is slightly different. But I maintain, MP's are elected to vote for what they think is in the best interests of their constituents, which may sometimes be dfferent to what the constituents actually want . Hill

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 01 Feb 17 10.55pm

[quote=Tim Gypsy Hill '64;3120769]

I thought their constituents already voted for what they want. They should do what they are elected to do. Represent their constituents. That's democracy Gusset.

The case of the eu referendum is slightly different. But I maintain, MP's are elected to vote for what they think is in the best interests of their constituents, which may sometimes be dfferent to what the constituents actually want . Hill

Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Stoke sub normal 01 Feb 17 11.00pm
Originally posted by nickgusset The case of the eu referendum is slightly different. But I maintain, MP's are elected to vote for what they think is in the best interests of their constituents, which may sometimes be dfferent to what the constituents actually want . Hill Ah! Now I get it. We elect them, then do whatever they want. I genuinely thought they would do what we wanted. How silly of me. Systematically dragged down by the lawmakers

Tim Gypsy Hill '64

Stoke sub normal 01 Feb 17 11.00pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Ah! Now I get it. We elect them, then do whatever they want. I genuinely thought they would do what we wanted. How silly of me.

Systematically dragged down by the lawmakers

Rudi Hedman Caterham 01 Feb 17 11.02pm
[quote=Tim Gypsy Hill '64;3120769] I thought their constituents already voted for what they want. They should do what they are elected to do. Represent their constituents. That's democracy Gusset. Like Diane Abbott. She was conveniently ill today so she couldn't vote and couldn't betray either her constituents or Jeremy. Serving again, Diane. COYP

Rudi Hedman

Caterham 01 Feb 17 11.02pm

[quote=Tim Gypsy Hill '64;3120769]

I thought their constituents already voted for what they want. They should do what they are elected to do. Represent their constituents. That's democracy Gusset.

Like Diane Abbott. She was conveniently ill today so she couldn't vote and couldn't betray either her constituents or Jeremy. Serving again, Diane.

COYP

Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Stoke sub normal 01 Feb 17 11.21pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman Like Diane Abbott. She was conveniently ill today so she couldn't vote and couldn't betray either her constituents or Jeremy. Serving again, Diane. She was allegedly out drinking with other "abstainers". Maybe trying to get drunk enough to shag the boss again. Systematically dragged down by the lawmakers

Tim Gypsy Hill '64

Stoke sub normal 01 Feb 17 11.21pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Like Diane Abbott. She was conveniently ill today so she couldn't vote and couldn't betray either her constituents or Jeremy. Serving again, Diane.

She was allegedly out drinking with other "abstainers". Maybe trying to get drunk enough to shag the boss again.

Systematically dragged down by the lawmakers

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 01 Feb 17 11.26pm
I[quote=Tim Gypsy Hill '64;3120780] Ah! Now I get it. We elect them, then do whatever they want. I genuinely thought they would do what we wanted. How silly of me. Yes how silly. I suggest you look up the difference between a representative (which is what an MP is) and a delegate (which an MP is not)

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 01 Feb 17 11.26pm

I[quote=Tim Gypsy Hill '64;3120780]

Ah! Now I get it. We elect them, then do whatever they want. I genuinely thought they would do what we wanted. How silly of me.

Yes how silly. I suggest you look up the difference between a representative (which is what an MP is) and a delegate (which an MP is not)

Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Stoke sub normal 01 Feb 17 11.31pm
Originally posted by nickgusset I Yes how silly. I suggest you look up the difference between a representative (which is what an MP is) and a delegate (which an MP is not) So, a representative doesn't represent the people? I thought they were just a spokesperson. Like asking constituents questions in the chamber etc. And pushing for their wishes. Systematically dragged down by the lawmakers

Tim Gypsy Hill '64

Stoke sub normal 01 Feb 17 11.31pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Yes how silly. I suggest you look up the difference between a representative (which is what an MP is) and a delegate (which an MP is not)

So, a representative doesn't represent the people? I thought they were just a spokesperson. Like asking constituents questions in the chamber etc. And pushing for their wishes.

Systematically dragged down by the lawmakers

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02 Feb 17 6.22am

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matt_himself Matataland 02 Feb 17 7.12am
[quote=Tim Gypsy Hill '64;3120797] So, a representative doesn't represent the people? I thought they were just a spokesperson. Like asking constituents questions in the chamber etc. And pushing for their wishes. It appears that Labour MP's can vote against the wishes of their constituents because 'they know best' but should they vote against or question their 'leader', they will have bricks thrown through their office and have death threats posted on Twitter. Democracy works. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

matt_himself

Matataland 02 Feb 17 7.12am

[quote=Tim Gypsy Hill '64;3120797]

So, a representative doesn't represent the people? I thought they were just a spokesperson. Like asking constituents questions in the chamber etc. And pushing for their wishes.

It appears that Labour MP's can vote against the wishes of their constituents because 'they know best' but should they vote against or question their 'leader', they will have bricks thrown through their office and have death threats posted on Twitter.

Democracy works.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

Kermit8 Hevon 02 Feb 17 8.15am
If we left all decisions to 'the people' this country would still be in the dark ages. Ken Clarke's speech was spot on. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]

Kermit8

Hevon 02 Feb 17 8.15am

If we left all decisions to 'the people' this country would still be in the dark ages. Ken Clarke's speech was spot on.

Big chest and massive boobs

[Link]

matt_himself Matataland 02 Feb 17 8.28am
Originally posted by Kermit8 If we left all decisions to 'the people' this country would still be in the dark ages. Ken Clarke's speech was spot on. Well, they don't, do they Michael? Apart from elections and the occasional referendum, the establishment have full control over governance. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

matt_himself

Matataland 02 Feb 17 8.28am

Originally posted by Kermit8

If we left all decisions to 'the people' this country would still be in the dark ages. Ken Clarke's speech was spot on.

Well, they don't, do they Michael?

Apart from elections and the occasional referendum, the establishment have full control over governance.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

hedgehog50 Croydon 02 Feb 17 9.05am
Originally posted by Kermit8 If we left all decisions to 'the people' this country would still be in the dark ages. Ken Clarke's speech was spot on. Says a supposed champion of 'the people'! We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

hedgehog50

Croydon 02 Feb 17 9.05am

Originally posted by Kermit8

If we left all decisions to 'the people' this country would still be in the dark ages. Ken Clarke's speech was spot on.

Says a supposed champion of 'the people'!

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 02 Feb 17 9.27am
Originally posted by Kermit8 If we left all decisions to 'the people' this country would still be in the dark ages. Ken Clarke's speech was spot on. Ken Clark is his own man and does what HE wants to do and NOT what his local constituents want and he has always been the same and he will never ever change. I listened to his speech and I thought "What a pr@t you are supposed to go with the will of your local people NOT yourself" Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

susmik

PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 02 Feb 17 9.27am

Originally posted by Kermit8

If we left all decisions to 'the people' this country would still be in the dark ages. Ken Clarke's speech was spot on.

Ken Clark is his own man and does what HE wants to do and NOT what his local constituents want and he has always been the same and he will never ever change.
I listened to his speech and I thought "What a pr@t you are supposed to go with the will of your local people NOT yourself"

Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

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