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 tome  Inner Tantalus Time. 04 Feb 17 4.05pm |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
Why would someone not interested in personal battles direct a post towards myself or Hoof, as you did earlier? The lady doth protest. As I said in that post, because you and Hrolf (not Hoof) have expressed your exasperation at corruption and that it was a primary reason for you to vote leave. So I'd guessed you'd given this issue some thought. Others haven't really mentioned that as much.
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matt_himself  Matataland 04 Feb 17 7.17pm |
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Originally posted by tome
As I said in that post, because you and Hrolf (not Hoof) have expressed your exasperation at corruption and that it was a primary reason for you to vote leave. So I'd guessed you'd given this issue some thought. Others haven't really mentioned that as much. Total crap. You could have asked the question to Michael, the Chiselhurst Troll or any of the right on's, who have repeatedly stated that business is corrupt but you instead chose two right of centre posters. That is personal and you know it.
"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02 |
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Kermit8  Hevon 04 Feb 17 7.22pm |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
Total crap. You could have asked the question to Michael, the Chiselhurst Troll or any of the right on's, who have repeatedly stated that business is corrupt but you instead chose two right of centre posters. That is personal and you know it.
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| matt_himself Matataland 04 Feb 17 7.43pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
#michaelknows
"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02 |
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 04 Feb 17 8.42pm |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
#michaelknows #matthewdoesnt.
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| tome Inner Tantalus Time. 04 Feb 17 10.54pm |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
Total crap. You could have asked the question to Michael, the Chiselhurst Troll or any of the right on's, who have repeatedly stated that business is corrupt but you instead chose two right of centre posters. That is personal and you know it. Personal how? I have nothing to gain from 'making you look a c*nt', as you put it. I'm interested only in constructive responses. There's another example of secret court systems - as used in things like TTIP, which I was under the impression Hrolf opposed, though I am not sure about your views. If you've nothing to add, fair enough, but even if you are only interested in individual fight doesn't mean that's true of everyone else.
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| matt_himself Matataland 05 Feb 17 7.05am |
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Originally posted by tome
Personal how? I have nothing to gain from 'making you look a c*nt', as you put it. I'm interested only in constructive responses. There's another example of secret court systems - as used in things like TTIP, which I was under the impression Hrolf opposed, though I am not sure about your views. If you've nothing to add, fair enough, but even if you are only interested in individual fight doesn't mean that's true of everyone else. I have explained why it is personal and don't feel that I need to explain again. If you don't intend to make your posts personal, think about how you phrase them and maybe don't only ask questions of two posters whom you oppose their views.
"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02 |
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| Hoof Hearted 05 Feb 17 10.09am | |
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Originally posted by legaleagle
You seem to be ignoring Nick in a manner akin to that in which an average baby ignores its mother's breasts during the first months of life,Hoof Sadly in practice it is hard to completely ignore him as he is in your face much like a mother's breast... nice to know that you think of him as a t1t too legal!
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| tome Inner Tantalus Time. 05 Feb 17 11.40am |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
I have explained why it is personal and don't feel that I need to explain again. If you don't intend to make your posts personal, think about how you phrase them and maybe don't only ask questions of two posters whom you oppose their views. Ah but you see Matt, I don't regard people as only for or against. I would agree with both you and Hrolf that corruption is a problem, for example. I can see why you think it might've been personal, given how used to jousting with Kermit and Ncik you have become. I'm not interested in any of that though.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 05 Feb 17 1.59pm |
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Originally posted by Hoof Hearted
Sadly in practice it is hard to completely ignore him as he is in your face much like a mother's breast... nice to know that you think of him as a t1t too legal!
Who is he? The cat's mother?
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 Hrolf The Ganger 05 Feb 17 3.03pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
I'm not sure about that. In today's politics, a party becomes what it thinks its target voters want. I'm sure a lot of people traditionally on the left and center right voted for UKIP last time. Ain't no way that the numbers they polled at the last election are all foaming far rights. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (05 Feb 2017 3.03pm)
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leifandersonshair  Newport 05 Feb 17 3.13pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I'm not sure about that. In today's politics, a party becomes what it thinks its target voters want. I'm sure a lot of people traditionally on the left and center right voted for UKIP last time. Ain't no way that the numbers they polled at the last election are all foaming far rights. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (05 Feb 2017 3.03pm) Good point. UKIP is a party that knows it can hoover up votes, from the more hardline Tories and traditional working class Labour voters by harping on about immigration. It doesn't have to publicise it's other policies, because it is to the detriment of the party to do so. A lot of the ex Labour voters would be driven away by it's low taxation (and intrinsically anti NHS) policies. By concentrating on the 'big winners' for the traditional working class (overturn smoking ban, for example, plus anti immigration) UKIP get the votes and can gloss over everything else.
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 05 Feb 17 4.32pm |
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Originally posted by leifandersonshair
Good point. UKIP is a party that knows it can hoover up votes, from the more hardline Tories and traditional working class Labour voters by harping on about immigration. It doesn't have to publicise it's other policies, because it is to the detriment of the party to do so. A lot of the ex Labour voters would be driven away by it's low taxation (and intrinsically anti NHS) policies. By concentrating on the 'big winners' for the traditional working class (overturn smoking ban, for example, plus anti immigration) UKIP get the votes and can gloss over everything else. I think UKIP is pretty much finished a a separate party now. It has achieved what it set out to do - get us out of the EU. Reversing the smoking ban isn't going to attract load of votes, if any. They would be better off disbanding and perhaps joining the Conservatives.
We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell] |
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| Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Stoke sub normal 05 Feb 17 8.00pm |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
I think UKIP is pretty much finished a a separate party now. It has achieved what it set out to do - get us out of the EU. Reversing the smoking ban isn't going to attract load of votes, if any. They would be better off disbanding and perhaps joining the Conservatives. I'm sure if they wanted to bring back fox hunting, the death penalty, and maybe public flogging of sex offenders, on top of curbing immigration, they'd be a stronger party than Labour and the Limp Dems. However, two right wing parties in the majority of Parliament would spell disaster. Edited by Tim Gypsy Hill '64 (05 Feb 2017 8.02pm)
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| Part Time James 08 Feb 17 11.20am |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
I think UKIP is pretty much finished a a separate party now. It has achieved what it set out to do - get us out of the EU. Reversing the smoking ban isn't going to attract load of votes, if any. They would be better off disbanding and perhaps joining the Conservatives. Funny you should say that. I have voted UKIP for a while now and have a mate who has stood for UKIP before. He's a bit horrified that I said that I don't feel like I need to vote for them any more now. Whip us out of the EU and provided Theresa May does a decent job of it (eventually) then I will switch my vote to Conservative...probably. I'll re-evaluate anyway. I guess my mate believes in voting for a party over policies more than I do, but I don't think I feel any ongoing loyalty to the party once this is all done and dusted.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 08 Feb 17 3.12pm |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
Greece in the news. Bond holders fear a new crisis: This couldn't come at a worst time for the EU. If things go bad for Greece in the coming weeks, Le Pen and Wilders will gain votes in the upcoming French and Dutch elections. If anti EU parties win in these states, surely the EU federalist project will be dead. What amazes me is the EU is not offering a vision on the future, just project fear rhetoric and inertia. Your tone suggests that you are happy with far right parties gaining a foothold across Europe. Am I wrong?
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| elgrande bedford 08 Feb 17 3.53pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Your tone suggests that you are happy with far right parties gaining a foothold across Europe. Am I wrong? Digging gain gusset,nothing in his tone suggests that ( can you tell from a sentence).
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 08 Feb 17 3.58pm |
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Originally posted by Part Time James
Funny you should say that. I have voted UKIP for a while now and have a mate who has stood for UKIP before. He's a bit horrified that I said that I don't feel like I need to vote for them any more now. Whip us out of the EU and provided Theresa May does a decent job of it (eventually) then I will switch my vote to Conservative...probably. I'll re-evaluate anyway. I guess my mate believes in voting for a party over policies more than I do, but I don't think I feel any ongoing loyalty to the party once this is all done and dusted. Yes, I'm the same. Only voted for UKIP to help get out of the EU prison. Not really interested in their other policies - not even sure what they are. I would like a sane Labour party to vote for, but in the meantime will vote Conservative, especially as Theresa May seems to displaying a good deal of common sense.
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| davenotamonkey 08 Feb 17 8.19pm |
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The ayes have it: 494 to 122, no amendments. Off to the Lords, then into law. 7th March is the rumoured date.
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