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 chris123  hove actually 10 Nov 19 2.53pm |
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Originally posted by Jway89
Just saw. Fair enough. The bailiffs wasnt supposed to a quote just a debt related figure of speech. Greece was just small enough to be made an example of. If theyde had Drachma, and no santions, they wouldnt be in the mess theyre in. Greece wouldn't have got the loan if they weren't an euro based economy - Goldman Sachs helped them in that.
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| Deleted11 10 Nov 19 3.10pm | |
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Originally posted by chris123
Greece wouldn't have got the loan if they weren't an euro based economy - Goldman Sachs helped them in that. Goldman Sachs help themselves to a lot of things. Greece would have printed their own currency. like any other country. The problem with Greece is that they don't produce anything of note. They are basically a tourist destination. They would have had to have made changes, i.e. not allowing hair dressers to retire at 35. I'm not saying Greece didn't have to change, but, had they not been in the euro, they would have been much better off now. Who wouldn't buy Greek bonds with a 10% interest? Especially now, where banks are paying 0.2%. That's why the stock markets are so high. There is nowhere else left to invest with a decent return.
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| chris123 hove actually 10 Nov 19 3.19pm |
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Originally posted by Jway89
Goldman Sachs help themselves to a lot of things. Greece would have printed their own currency. like any other country. The problem with Greece is that they don't produce anything of note. They are basically a tourist destination. They would have had to have made changes, i.e. not allowing hair dressers to retire at 35. I'm not saying Greece didn't have to change, but, had they not been in the euro, they would have been much better off now. Who wouldn't buy Greek bonds with a 10% interest? Especially now, where banks are paying 0.2%. That's why the stock markets are so high. There is nowhere else left to invest with a decent return. You don't work in merchant shipping then?
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| Deleted11 10 Nov 19 3.23pm | |
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Originally posted by chris123
You don't work in merchant shipping then? I do not.
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| chris123 hove actually 10 Nov 19 5.15pm |
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Originally posted by Jway89
I do not. It's something of note.
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| Deleted11 10 Nov 19 5.29pm | |
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Originally posted by chris123
It's something of note. Can you expand? Im sure im being thick here.
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| Midlands Eagle 10 Nov 19 6.54pm |
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Can we stick to the December 2019 General Election please?
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| Deleted11 10 Nov 19 7.04pm | |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
Can we stick to the December 2019 General Election please? Ok, but, if there is a misconception on how money and debt work, it becomes believing party propaganda, influencing elections. Tories to win
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| Badger11 Beckenham 10 Nov 19 8.26pm |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
Can we stick to the December 2019 General Election please? Yesterday I did my bit for keeping the crime wave down in Beckenham and the election civil. As I came out of the supermarket a bunch of Labour activists were canvassing the public, I think I can say I saw red. Luckily they ignored me which was just as well for both of us because I would have asked them "what's it like supporting a terrorist loving anti Semite !*@# etc" No doubt it would have been reported as a hate crime.
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 10 Nov 19 11.57pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Yesterday I did my bit for keeping the crime wave down in Beckenham and the election civil. As I came out of the supermarket a bunch of Labour activists were canvassing the public, I think I can say I saw red. Luckily they ignored me which was just as well for both of us because I would have asked them "what's it like supporting a terrorist loving anti Semite !*@# etc" No doubt it would have been reported as a hate crime.
Solid Conservative seat with Bob Stewart having a majority of in excess of 15,000 at the last election.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 11 Nov 19 7.32am |
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Originally posted by Willo
Solid Conservative seat with Bob Stewart having a majority of in excess of 15,000 at the last election. Yup I have met the man seems a good guy I will be voting for him mainly because he was fairly consistent on Brexit. This is one of the constituencies where Farage would be wasting his time fielding a candidate as all it would do is hurt a pro Brexit Tory MP.
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 11 Nov 19 10.11am |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
The Lib Dems are claiming the proposed rescue of British Steel by a Chinese firm should sound "alarm bells" for Britain as it contemplates leaving the EU. And this is right, and why nationalisation is necessary particularly in key industries. The UK's balance sheet is wrong, there are no assets. That's what the tories have been doing since Thatcher. The cupboard is bare. Labour's nationalisation programme would cost a staggering £196 BILLION.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 11 Nov 19 10.24am |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
The Lib Dems are claiming the proposed rescue of British Steel by a Chinese firm should sound "alarm bells" for Britain as it contemplates leaving the EU. And this is right, and why nationalisation is necessary particularly in key industries. The UK's balance sheet is wrong, there are no assets. That's what the tories have been doing since Thatcher. The cupboard is bare. If we stay in the EU Corbyn will not be allowed to nationalise anything under EU rules. Not sure why leaving the EU has anything to do with our failing British Steel industry. Across the western world the old heavy industries have been dying out this is not a British problem solely. In general I am against nationalism as I remember the disasters of the seventies. However there maybe areas where a government free from the constraints of the EU can assist certain key industries such as subsidising energy costs, help financing investment in new plant etc. But for god's sake don't let the civil servants run anything we really will be in trouble then.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 11 Nov 19 10.26am |
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Originally posted by Willo
Labour's nationalisation programme would cost a staggering £196 BILLION. No it wouldn't the CBI report is being rubbished everywhere, and nationalised industries are an asset not owned by foreigners. Why don't you sell Trident to China they are scooping up everything else, including nuclear power stations. Tory NHS plans, when scrutinised, only amount to re-fitting 6 hospitals. Labour say their manifesto is fully worked out, it went very well in the 2017 election, particularly in the latter stages. Could be very different over such a long campaign. I don't think 'Corbyn is a marxist' has the legs hopefully.
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 11 Nov 19 10.33am |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
No it wouldn't the CBI report is being rubbished everywhere, and nationalised industries are an asset not owned by foreigners. Why don't you sell Trident to China they are scooping up everything else, including nuclear power stations. Tory NHS plans, when scrutinised, only amount to re-fitting 6 hospitals. Labour say their manifesto is fully worked out, it went very well in the 2017 election, particularly in the latter stages. Could be very different over such a long campaign. I don't think 'Corbyn is a marxist' has the legs hopefully. The figures are a result of independent reports and Labour's own numbers.These include : A Shadow Secretary of State or Shadow Minister making a definitive statement in their official Shadow position. An official Labour press release, clearly stating that Labour would fund a particular commitment. Policy passed by Labour Party conference.
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 georgenorman 11 Nov 19 10.34am |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Why don't you sell Trident to China they are scooping up everything else, including nuclear power stations. Tory NHS plans, when scrutinised, only amount to re-fitting 6 hospitals. Labour say their manifesto is fully worked out, it went very well in the 2017 election, particularly in the latter stages. Could be very different over such a long campaign. I don't think 'Corbyn is a marxist' has the legs hopefully. Well, his close adviser Andrew Murray certainly is. He was a member of the communist party for 40 years and only left to take up his job with comrade Corbyn.
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 11 Nov 19 10.42am |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
No it wouldn't the CBI report is being rubbished everywhere, and nationalised industries are an asset not owned by foreigners. Why don't you sell Trident to China they are scooping up everything else, including nuclear power stations. Tory NHS plans, when scrutinised, only amount to re-fitting 6 hospitals. Labour say their manifesto is fully worked out, it went very well in the 2017 election, particularly in the latter stages. Could be very different over such a long campaign. I don't think 'Corbyn is a marxist' has the legs hopefully. With the greatest of respect, protecting the NHS with some £34 BILLION will certainly not include the re-fitting of just 6 hospitals. On that note I have to depart HOL to hit the campaign trail!
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| Midlands Eagle 11 Nov 19 10.51am |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
The UK's balance sheet is wrong, there are no assets. That's what the tories have been doing since Thatcher. The cupboard is bare. If there are no assets in UK PLC it's because Gordon Brown flogged them all off in his spell of stripping the UK naked spell Edited by Midlands Eagle (11 Nov 2019 11.04am)
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| Badger11 Beckenham 11 Nov 19 10.58am |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
No it wouldn't the CBI report is being rubbished everywhere, and nationalised industries are an asset not owned by foreigners. Why don't you sell Trident to China they are scooping up everything else, including nuclear power stations. Tory NHS plans, when scrutinised, only amount to re-fitting 6 hospitals. Labour say their manifesto is fully worked out, it went very well in the 2017 election, particularly in the latter stages. Could be very different over such a long campaign. I don't think 'Corbyn is a marxist' has the legs hopefully. The issue with the Tories figures is that they have totted up every committent made by Labour in the last few years. Politicians do say stuff that is an aspiration and not necessarily party policy e.g. eliminate the poor. Personally I think the Tories have made a mistake it would have been better to focus on the commitments that Labour include in their manifesto and fight them on that rather than argue about what some MP may said on some chat show 3 years ago. I am fairly sure that the numbers would still be eye watering.
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