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hedgehog50 Croydon 05 Jun 17 11.21am | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
I forgot to add 'power' to my list too. You think people go to full-on war because of cultural differences? Napolean - land/power, Hitler - land/power, Colonial conflicts - land, resources, wealth, any empire-building especially Rome - the same, Milosevic - land, Falklands - land, Iraq and the Gulf land, plus hundreds of the same MO other examples throughout history. You carry on with your thoughts, though, no matter how irrefutably incorrect and blinkered. Place would be boring without deniers such as yourself. Taking just language for example. A few cases immediately spring to mind: Belgium, Dutch and French speakers - periodic violence and general antagonism; Quebec, English and French speakers -
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mezzer Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 05 Jun 17 11.24am | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
I dunno. Top right. Good spot
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Hrolf The Ganger 05 Jun 17 11.36am | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Whilst its clearly the case, and no one would make it otherwise, its important to note that 'terrorism' doesn't really have a universally shared meaning, even within countries. For example, the US State Department in the 80s and 90s (possibly even still) didn't consider suicide bombings against the Israeli's in the occupied territory and settlements as terrorism - as it fell within the UN definition of the right to self defence against occupation. Similarly, Hezbollah, a known terrorist group, wasn't considered as a terrorist actor when acting in the Golan Heights or in defence of Lebanon, during Israeli incursions. Even though the US constantly referred to these actions as terrorist activities, the State Departments definition was different to the White House. Terrorist really is a political buzzword as well, that's very loaded. The Nazis referred to the SOE, Commandos and Resistance movements as terrorist, which the UN specifically separated out post war under the right of an occupied national to resist by any means. Also a lot of what is considered 'Islamic terrorism' can often be more about regional politics. Whilst things like White Supremist in the US get a pass on being terrorist, despite being drawn along very religious lines. Indeed the US didn't even consider domestic terrorism to be terrorism until the late 80s. All very interesting but how does it help? We have allowed people to come and live in this country who's offspring, British citizens, are now killing their own countrymen. They clearly have a more powerful allegiance to their god and to those who exploit those beliefs. The government need to take decisive action.
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Stirlingsays 05 Jun 17 11.41am | |
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Originally posted by DanH
The vast, vast majority really can. It's a tiny minority of c*nts who can't. The vast majority of Germans didn't want war. The vast majority of Russians didn't want the soviet union.
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Lyons550 Shirley 05 Jun 17 11.41am | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
That's why she should go - she won't be able to mend things as it means her doing a u-turn. but you just said "Only a complete reversal of tory policies will help in my opinion"... so even if she did do it...listening to the public will...you'd accuse her of making a u turn...LOL the hypocrisy is simply laughable...
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dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 05 Jun 17 11.41am | |
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All very interesting Jamie, however it will not offer a crumb of comfort to any of the relatives of the dead men women and children of London and Manchester. The only way to stop this happening is to come down with maximum fcking violence on anyone who shows an interest in this warped sick ideology that whether the limp wristed liberals like it or not, has its origins in the Islamic faith. Time to put precious little Tarquin and Cresida's angst about eroding the people's freedom to one side and literally nick and jail, every one of these pricks who thinks they are hard by killing kids on a night out.
"It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'" |
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Stirlingsays 05 Jun 17 11.47am | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Indeed. The fact is is that it is a specific type of religious extremist adhering to a specific type of interpretation that carries out the attacks against us and others around the world including muslims. Actually, mostly against muslims. So, going by that fact, we should be focusing on that target group and their paymasters as 100% the main threat and stop bleating on about 'Muslims' per se. Everyone should know that Kermit completely goes against what the main Islamic reformers say. He represents how the left and some of the right have approached this issue for many years. Their ideas have led us here. You can't divorce Islamic extremism from Islam. Islam's particular form of social conservatism breeds a certain amount of these extremists. It allows for violent interpretations easily. The religion needs to undergo reform in this country. I urge people who don't know to look at the Pew data on the opinions of the majority of Muslims in this country. Then you will understand why our security services have to watch three thousand people in this country.
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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 05 Jun 17 11.54am | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Everyone should know that Kermit completely goes against what the main Islamic reformers say. He represents how the left and some of the right have approached this issue for many years. There ideas have led us here. You can't divorce Islamic extremism from Islam. It's particular form of social conservatism breeds these extremists. The religion needs to under reform in this country. I urge people who don't know to look at the Pew data on the opinions of the majority of Muslims in this country. Then you will understand why our security services have to watch three thousand people in this country. 3,000 under surveillance but "Tens of thousands" of "People of interest" to the Security Services.
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hedgehog50 Croydon 05 Jun 17 12.06pm | |
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There is no solution, just years of periodic violence ahead with the liberal left still telling us how wonderful the things are that have led to the situation in the first place.
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Part Time James 05 Jun 17 12.08pm | |
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We are now a country where people are afraid to go out and to live but nobody is afraid to preach hatred against British citizens or sympathise with terrorists. That's really not the right way round for me.
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Kermit8 Hevon 05 Jun 17 12.10pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Everyone should know that Kermit completely goes against what the main Islamic reformers say. He represents how the left and some of the right have approached this issue for many years. Their ideas have led us here. You can't divorce Islamic extremism from Islam. Islam's particular form of social conservatism breeds a certain amount of these extremists. It allows for violent interpretations easily. The religion needs to undergo reform in this country. I urge people who don't know to look at the Pew data on the opinions of the majority of Muslims in this country. Then you will understand why our security services have to watch three thousand people in this country.
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steeleye20 Croydon 05 Jun 17 12.13pm | |
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Originally posted by Lyons550
but you just said "Only a complete reversal of tory policies will help in my opinion"... so even if she did do it...listening to the public will...you'd accuse her of making a u turn...LOL the hypocrisy is simply laughable... I don't know how she cannot resign she was Home Secretary and ordered these cuts so she is responsible and accountable.
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