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Matov 12 Nov 19 7.19pm
The more we get into this campaign, the more I struggle to understand why Labour have allowed themselves to get into this second referendum nonsense. An utter disaster for them with it playing badly every time it comes up. Is there a single extra vote in that position for them? Insanity. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Matov

12 Nov 19 7.19pm

The more we get into this campaign, the more I struggle to understand why Labour have allowed themselves to get into this second referendum nonsense. An utter disaster for them with it playing badly every time it comes up. Is there a single extra vote in that position for them? Insanity.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Badger11 Beckenham 12 Nov 19 7.54pm
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle I don't know how the Lib Dem's battle bus will affect the voting as I think that "Jo Swinson's Liberal Democrats" in huge letters on the side would put me off as it makes them sound like a rock band - Jeff Lynne's ELO perhaps I have a bee in my bonnet about the competency Of the Lib Dems. Tonight on LBC Ian Dale took apart the Lib Dem Environment spokesperson this is about the 3/4 time in as many weeks when he has done this different people different topics. They all suffer for one obvious reason they don't know their brief. Now I know he is a close to the Tory party but he has a go at them and Labour and they seem to be able to hold their own against him he's not Jeremy Paxman but he knows his facts. If I was thinking of voting for them I would be seriously worried they are from the Diane Abbott school of politics. Tonight all this woman wanted to talk about was the £8m per year we will lose from the EU when we Brexit for flood defences. When asked how much does the UK government spend she didn't know, remember she is their environment expert. Dale had to point out it was 4.5bn pa so £8m is a big so f**king what. They need to up their game because so far I have yet to hear one of their key players have a good argument they just want to parrot what they have been told. Don't get me wrong Tories and Labour have their idiots but boy ever time I hear a Lib Dem spokesperson I groan, do your damn homework. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 12 Nov 19 7.54pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

I don't know how the Lib Dem's battle bus will affect the voting as I think that "Jo Swinson's Liberal Democrats" in huge letters on the side would put me off as it makes them sound like a rock band - Jeff Lynne's ELO perhaps

I have a bee in my bonnet about the competency Of the Lib Dems. Tonight on LBC Ian Dale took apart the Lib Dem Environment spokesperson this is about the 3/4 time in as many weeks when he has done this different people different topics. They all suffer for one obvious reason they don't know their brief.

Now I know he is a close to the Tory party but he has a go at them and Labour and they seem to be able to hold their own against him he's not Jeremy Paxman but he knows his facts.

If I was thinking of voting for them I would be seriously worried they are from the Diane Abbott school of politics. Tonight all this woman wanted to talk about was the £8m per year we will lose from the EU when we Brexit for flood defences. When asked how much does the UK government spend she didn't know, remember she is their environment expert. Dale had to point out it was 4.5bn pa so £8m is a big so f**king what.

They need to up their game because so far I have yet to hear one of their key players have a good argument they just want to parrot what they have been told.

Don't get me wrong Tories and Labour have their idiots but boy ever time I hear a Lib Dem spokesperson I groan, do your damn homework.

One more point

Badger11 Beckenham 12 Nov 19 7.58pm
Originally posted by Matov The more we get into this campaign, the more I struggle to understand why Labour have allowed themselves to get into this second referendum nonsense. An utter disaster for them with it playing badly every time it comes up. Is there a single extra vote in that position for them? Insanity. Agreed sitting on the fence about the biggest political question is not a good look. Labour should have come out as a solid Remain party they may lose some seats but I think they would also gain some. As it is 100 MPS have signed a letter stating they will campaign to Remain which is against party policy. Corbyn is now in the same position as May was his own MPs are actively campaigning against official party policy. As for potential Labour voters "Confused you will be" One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 12 Nov 19 7.58pm

Originally posted by Matov

Agreed sitting on the fence about the biggest political question is not a good look.

Labour should have come out as a solid Remain party they may lose some seats but I think they would also gain some. As it is 100 MPS have signed a letter stating they will campaign to Remain which is against party policy. Corbyn is now in the same position as May was his own MPs are actively campaigning against official party policy.

As for potential Labour voters "Confused you will be"

One more point

Matov 12 Nov 19 8.06pm
Originally posted by Badger11 Agreed sitting on the fence about the biggest political question is not a good look. Labour should have come out as a solid Remain party they may lose some seats but I think they would also gain some. As it is 100 MPS have signed a letter stating they will campaign to Remain which is against party policy. Corbyn is now in the same position as May was his own MPs are actively campaigning against official party policy. As for potential Labour voters "Confused you will be" But even as a solid Remain party, where do they gain the seats? It is a boring point, that is made time and time again but the constituency break down of both the Brexit vote and EU elections points to the reality that it is bloody difficult for a Remain position to win an election. Now in 2017 Labour did bloody well by backing Brexit. It is insanity for them to back away from that. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Matov

12 Nov 19 8.06pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Agreed sitting on the fence about the biggest political question is not a good look.

As for potential Labour voters "Confused you will be"

But even as a solid Remain party, where do they gain the seats? It is a boring point, that is made time and time again but the constituency break down of both the Brexit vote and EU elections points to the reality that it is bloody difficult for a Remain position to win an election.

Now in 2017 Labour did bloody well by backing Brexit. It is insanity for them to back away from that.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

chris123 hove actually 12 Nov 19 8.12pm
Originally posted by Badger11 Agreed sitting on the fence about the biggest political question is not a good look. Labour should have come out as a solid Remain party they may lose some seats but I think they would also gain some. As it is 100 MPS have signed a letter stating they will campaign to Remain which is against party policy. Corbyn is now in the same position as May was his own MPs are actively campaigning against official party policy. As for potential Labour voters "Confused you will be" After the referendum all parties should have allowed their MP's a free vote on matters Brexit.

chris123

hove actually 12 Nov 19 8.12pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Agreed sitting on the fence about the biggest political question is not a good look.

As for potential Labour voters "Confused you will be"

After the referendum all parties should have allowed their MP's a free vote on matters Brexit.

Invalid user 2019 12 Nov 19 8.45pm
Originally posted by Matov The more we get into this campaign, the more I struggle to understand why Labour have allowed themselves to get into this second referendum nonsense. An utter disaster for them with it playing badly every time it comes up. Is there a single extra vote in that position for them? Insanity. With a different leader, I think they'd have been more inclined to take a Lib Dem-like stance and consequently take a bigger bite out of their vote. Unbudgeable Corbyn isn't particularly pro-EU though and so he's at odds with the majority in his own party, and this whole 'when it matches our five tests', or 'second referendum, but we're not sure if we'll campaign for in or out' stance is the ill conceived compromise within the party. Whether some will look beyond this confused approach as the election approaches is anyones guess, but as it stands both the Conservatives and Lib Dems at least have a somewhat clear messages and Labour lacks that.

Invalid user 2019

12 Nov 19 8.45pm

Originally posted by Matov

With a different leader, I think they'd have been more inclined to take a Lib Dem-like stance and consequently take a bigger bite out of their vote. Unbudgeable Corbyn isn't particularly pro-EU though and so he's at odds with the majority in his own party, and this whole 'when it matches our five tests', or 'second referendum, but we're not sure if we'll campaign for in or out' stance is the ill conceived compromise within the party.

Whether some will look beyond this confused approach as the election approaches is anyones guess, but as it stands both the Conservatives and Lib Dems at least have a somewhat clear messages and Labour lacks that.

Badger11 Beckenham 12 Nov 19 8.48pm
Originally posted by chris123 After the referendum all parties should have allowed their MP's a free vote on matters Brexit. Do you live in Cornwall One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 12 Nov 19 8.48pm

Originally posted by chris123

After the referendum all parties should have allowed their MP's a free vote on matters Brexit.

Do you live in Cornwall

One more point

Invalid user 2019 12 Nov 19 9.19pm
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle I don't know how the Lib Dem's battle bus will affect the voting as I think that "Jo Swinson's Liberal Democrats" in huge letters on the side would put me off as it makes them sound like a rock band - Jeff Lynne's ELO perhaps Haha, yes it does sound rather egotistical too. She's living a rock and roll lifestyle apparently. Keep a look out for groupies climbing aboard the lib dem love bus!

Invalid user 2019

12 Nov 19 9.19pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Haha, yes it does sound rather egotistical too. She's living a rock and roll lifestyle apparently. Keep a look out for groupies climbing aboard the lib dem love bus!

Badger11 Beckenham 13 Nov 19 7.57am
Yesterday Corbyn put the boot into the Tories on the floods oop north. I have since heard several local Labour politicians give a more measured response e.g Mayor of Sheffield. They were more politically aware than Corbyn and said "this is not the time for political point scoring, people have lost their homes etc." Frankly Corbyn could do himself a favour by listening to how they responded to the questions. They came across as measured and fair and beneath the rhetoric they still managed a dig at the Tories. Also Corbyn was wrong with his snide remark about if the floods happened in the south. Apparently the north has received far more funding for flood prevention than the south. Now maybe it hasn't been spent wisely but he just can't resist having a dig which he can't back up with facts. How the money is spent is down to the Environment Agency and many question their competency but that is not necessarily the fault of the government. None of this helps those who have lost their homes of course. I also wonder if the local Labour people were more measured because they are concerned someone might ask the question who allowed homes to be built here. And then again a flood expert pointed out that that amount of rain was bound to cause trouble and you cannot prevent every flooding. Still all to play for. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 13 Nov 19 7.57am

Yesterday Corbyn put the boot into the Tories on the floods oop north.

I have since heard several local Labour politicians give a more measured response e.g Mayor of Sheffield. They were more politically aware than Corbyn and said "this is not the time for political point scoring, people have lost their homes etc."

Frankly Corbyn could do himself a favour by listening to how they responded to the questions. They came across as measured and fair and beneath the rhetoric they still managed a dig at the Tories.

Also Corbyn was wrong with his snide remark about if the floods happened in the south. Apparently the north has received far more funding for flood prevention than the south. Now maybe it hasn't been spent wisely but he just can't resist having a dig which he can't back up with facts.

How the money is spent is down to the Environment Agency and many question their competency but that is not necessarily the fault of the government.

None of this helps those who have lost their homes of course. I also wonder if the local Labour people were more measured because they are concerned someone might ask the question who allowed homes to be built here. And then again a flood expert pointed out that that amount of rain was bound to cause trouble and you cannot prevent every flooding.

Still all to play for.

One more point

Spiderman Horsham 13 Nov 19 9.08am
Originally posted by chris123 After the referendum all parties should have allowed their MP's a free vote on matters Brexit. But, in 2017, they didn't have to stand on a Brexit manifesto did they? They could have resigned or stood as independants, which several are doing now. They chose to back Brexit to win votes, without any intention of seeing Brexit through

Spiderman

Horsham 13 Nov 19 9.08am

Originally posted by chris123

After the referendum all parties should have allowed their MP's a free vote on matters Brexit.

But, in 2017, they didn't have to stand on a Brexit manifesto did they? They could have resigned or stood as independants, which several are doing now. They chose to back Brexit to win votes, without any intention of seeing Brexit through

Spiderman Horsham 13 Nov 19 9.10am
Originally posted by dollardays Haha, yes it does sound rather egotistical too. She's living a rock and roll lifestyle apparently. Keep a look out for groupies climbing aboard the lib dem love bus! With George Soros as her backing band, apparently

Spiderman

Horsham 13 Nov 19 9.10am

Originally posted by dollardays

Haha, yes it does sound rather egotistical too. She's living a rock and roll lifestyle apparently. Keep a look out for groupies climbing aboard the lib dem love bus!

With George Soros as her backing band, apparently

Spiderman Horsham 13 Nov 19 9.13am
Originally posted by Badger11 Yesterday Corbyn put the boot into the Tories on the floods oop north. I have since heard several local Labour politicians give a more measured response e.g Mayor of Sheffield. They were more politically aware than Corbyn and said "this is not the time for political point scoring, people have lost their homes etc." Frankly Corbyn could do himself a favour by listening to how they responded to the questions. They came across as measured and fair and beneath the rhetoric they still managed a dig at the Tories. Also Corbyn was wrong with his snide remark about if the floods happened in the south. Apparently the north has received far more funding for flood prevention than the south. Now maybe it hasn't been spent wisely but he just can't resist having a dig which he can't back up with facts. How the money is spent is down to the Environment Agency and many question their competency but that is not necessarily the fault of the government. None of this helps those who have lost their homes of course. I also wonder if the local Labour people were more measured because they are concerned someone might ask the question who allowed homes to be built here. And then again a flood expert pointed out that that amount of rain was bound to cause trouble and you cannot prevent every flooding. Still all to play for. So did Momentum spokeswoman on Politics live..."Everyone knows this would not have happened in the South" Really, didn't think Gloucestershire and Devon were Northern

Spiderman

Horsham 13 Nov 19 9.13am

Originally posted by Badger11

Yesterday Corbyn put the boot into the Tories on the floods oop north.

Frankly Corbyn could do himself a favour by listening to how they responded to the questions. They came across as measured and fair and beneath the rhetoric they still managed a dig at the Tories.

How the money is spent is down to the Environment Agency and many question their competency but that is not necessarily the fault of the government.

Still all to play for.

So did Momentum spokeswoman on Politics live..."Everyone knows this would not have happened in the South" Really, didn't think Gloucestershire and Devon were Northern

Spiderman Horsham 13 Nov 19 9.19am
Originally posted by Spiderman With George Soros as her backing band, apparently [Link]

Spiderman

Horsham 13 Nov 19 9.19am

Originally posted by Spiderman

With George Soros as her backing band, apparently

[Link]

Stirlingsays 13 Nov 19 9.21am
Originally posted by Spiderman So did Momentum spokeswoman on Politics live..."Everyone knows this would not have happened in the South" Really, didn't think Gloucestershire and Devon were Northern That's Momentum for you. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

13 Nov 19 9.21am

Originally posted by Spiderman

So did Momentum spokeswoman on Politics live..."Everyone knows this would not have happened in the South" Really, didn't think Gloucestershire and Devon were Northern

That's Momentum for you.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

becky over the moon 13 Nov 19 9.22am
Originally posted by Spiderman So did Momentum spokeswoman on Politics live..."Everyone knows this would not have happened in the South" Really, didn't think Gloucestershire and Devon were Northern Let alone Somerset in 2012, when the best we got was a flying 20 minute visit from a man from the EA (in a suit and polished shoes!) who got out of his chauffeur driven limo, looked at all the water and the one lone pump and went off again..... It was only when Prince Charles can down to Muchelney for the day (in Barbour and wellies) talked to the farmers and the flood-isolated victims, then went off back to town and kicked some ars*s, that anything happened. Politicians and flooding never mix Edited by becky (13 Nov 2019 9.23am) A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

becky

over the moon 13 Nov 19 9.22am

Originally posted by Spiderman

So did Momentum spokeswoman on Politics live..."Everyone knows this would not have happened in the South" Really, didn't think Gloucestershire and Devon were Northern

Let alone Somerset in 2012, when the best we got was a flying 20 minute visit from a man from the EA (in a suit and polished shoes!) who got out of his chauffeur driven limo, looked at all the water and the one lone pump and went off again.....

It was only when Prince Charles can down to Muchelney for the day (in Barbour and wellies) talked to the farmers and the flood-isolated victims, then went off back to town and kicked some ars*s, that anything happened.

Politicians and flooding never mix

Edited by becky (13 Nov 2019 9.23am)

A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

Stirlingsays 13 Nov 19 9.27am
Just found out an amusing titbit from Toby Young that In 2002 Corbyn moved an amendment in the House of Commons congratulating the BBC for leaving 'Rule Britannia' out of The Last Night of the Proms that year. Now he wants to run it....it's scary to think how close he got to it when May was at the helm. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

13 Nov 19 9.27am

Just found out an amusing titbit from Toby Young that In 2002 Corbyn moved an amendment in the House of Commons congratulating the BBC for leaving 'Rule Britannia' out of The Last Night of the Proms that year.

Now he wants to run it....it's scary to think how close he got to it when May was at the helm.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Badger11 Beckenham 13 Nov 19 12.02pm
Meanwhile the Green Party have announced if they win they will appoint a "carbon Chancellor". Well why not after all we had a few wooden tops in the past. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 13 Nov 19 12.02pm

Meanwhile the Green Party have announced if they win they will appoint a "carbon Chancellor".

Well why not after all we had a few wooden tops in the past.

One more point

Stirlingsays 13 Nov 19 12.10pm
Originally posted by Badger11 Meanwhile the Green Party have announced if they win they will appoint a "carbon Chancellor". Well why not after all we had a few wooden tops in the past. The Greens have more chance of finding a male member with a properly functioning Y chromosome than of winning the election. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

13 Nov 19 12.10pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Meanwhile the Green Party have announced if they win they will appoint a "carbon Chancellor".

Well why not after all we had a few wooden tops in the past.

The Greens have more chance of finding a male member with a properly functioning Y chromosome than of winning the election.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Bill E Pilgrim New Addington 13 Nov 19 12.53pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Labour clowns deserve a roasting. They are the most disgraceful mob ever to be in Parliament. your champion - Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson - looks pretty poor here [Link] Edited by Bill E Pilgrim (13 Nov 2019 12.57pm)

Bill E Pilgrim

New Addington 13 Nov 19 12.53pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Labour clowns deserve a roasting.

They are the most disgraceful mob ever to be in Parliament.

your champion - Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson - looks pretty poor here
[Link]

Edited by Bill E Pilgrim (13 Nov 2019 12.57pm)

Hrolf The Ganger 13 Nov 19 1.07pm
Originally posted by Bill E Pilgrim your champion - Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson - looks pretty poor here [Link] Edited by Bill E Pilgrim (13 Nov 2019 12.57pm) You seem really familiar 'Bill'. Your leader is a terrorist-supporting, flood victim exploiting Marxist scumbag who is hated by a good chunk of his own party. How bad can Boris look?

Hrolf The Ganger

13 Nov 19 1.07pm

Originally posted by Bill E Pilgrim

your champion - Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson - looks pretty poor here
[Link]

Edited by Bill E Pilgrim (13 Nov 2019 12.57pm)

You seem really familiar 'Bill'.

Your leader is a terrorist-supporting, flood victim exploiting Marxist scumbag who is hated by a good chunk of his own party.

How bad can Boris look?

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