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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 03 Apr 23 9.31am

Originally posted by MrRobbo

Yup not convinced Rogers is the answer.

Personally I'd be in the Potter camp, whilst league finishes were not great. He was at the help during a period of upward transition.

I suspect he'd also have a great insight into some things we need to change at the club given some of Brighton's successes e.g. transfers.

In his first season at Brighton they finished 15th, in his second season they finished 16th, both seasons they finished below us in the table.

In his final season they did finish 9th but they only attained 3 pts more than us and had an inferior goal difference.
I don't see any significant "Upward transition".

 

MrRobbo Flag Chaldon 03 Apr 23 9.49am

Originally posted by Willo

In his first season at Brighton they finished 15th, in his second season they finished 16th, both seasons they finished below us in the table.

In his final season they did finish 9th but they only attained 3 pts more than us and had an inferior goal difference.
I don't see any significant "Upward transition".

I know the finishing positions ta.

On and off the field they are a significantly better outfit.

Progression isn't going to be completely linear, and nor can it be solely measured by a league position. Whilst we were signing players for out first team, they were investing in creating world class talent for the future, and completely revolutionising the way the team played.

Potter is highly regarded by some of the best in the game. And regardless of it not working out, the fact that Chelsea poached him is a good yardstick for his standing in the game.

 

palaceexile Flag hastings 03 Apr 23 9.58am

I wonder whether Potter isn't too 'cultured' for us - a bit like Vieira. We are 'South London and Proud.' A bit scruffy, but full of heart. We don't do sophisticated.

 

PatrickA Flag London 03 Apr 23 10.08am

I see Potter as an innovative coach with some interesting ideas but not at this stage capable of managing a top club.
He was clearly losing his way at Chelsea with confused ideas and tactics , although in fairness it’s a basket case of a club to manage with its bloated squad and inflated egos.
I think he will rebuild his career elsewhere, but personally I’m not sure about him at Palace.
You could see him experimenting with Eze at wing back or Olise as a false 9.
For Palace at the moment simplicity is the key.
Players in their correct positions playing in a system they can understand enabling them to show what they are capable of.
Hopefully a manager with a sufficient distance from the players so that boundaries are clear.
It never looked right from the club videos with Vieira engaging in banter with the players as if he was one of the players.
Somehow you can’t imagine a Pep or Klopp doing this.
I’m not suggesting alienating the players or the so called ‘hairdryer treatment,’ but do believe there should be a distance between manager and players so relationships are clear.
When things are going well on the field it’s fine to be all pals, but it does make it more difficult when things are going badly and the manager needs to exert authority and impart news the players may not like to hear.

 

Palace Old Geezer Flag Midhurst 03 Apr 23 10.31am

Originally posted by palaceexile

I wonder whether Potter isn't too 'cultured' for us - a bit like Vieira. We are 'South London and Proud.' A bit scruffy, but full of heart. We don't do sophisticated.

I wouldn't describe Roy, our opera loving, multi-lingual, well read, current manager as a bit scruffy.

 


Dad and I watched games standing on the muddy slope of the Holmesdale Road end. He cheered and I rattled.

palaceexile Flag hastings 03 Apr 23 10.45am

Fair point. But he's a Croydon boy. He 'gets' the club.
I'm not sure Potter would (and I don't think Vieira did)

Originally posted by Palace Old Geezer

I wouldn't describe Roy, our opera loving, multi-lingual, well read, current manager as a bit scruffy.

 

Leecpfc Flag Praying for love in a lapdance... 03 Apr 23 10.49am

I’d still like us to try and get Rafa Benitez. Would potentially help with summer recruitment knowing that they’d get to play under him.

 


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Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 03 Apr 23 10.57am

Originally posted by DANGERCLOSE

Maybe Roy for another season [Link]

I dont want BR or GP

I had the same pessimistic, knee-jerk reaction as many did when Roy was announced however I wouldn't be against this if things play out as they may do hypothetically:

Roy was always utilised as he did/would not spit a dummy out of the pram apropos lack of investment in team and was able to keep us afloat in doing so. That translates for many as him being a boring, uninspired manager however as noted with Fulham he can operate differently when he doesn't need a 8/9/10 man block just to stop the goals flowing in due to lack of options and talent.

Team looks a lot better on paper now, we need to invest and hopefully will do so effectively with players out of contract and just not good enough in some areas. Hopefully the Americans will see to that as they purportedly wanted to before Parish put brakes on and in light of a worrying three months this season.

A better looking squad needing the yes grandfatherly but nonetheless well experienced and equally skilled Hodgson drilling and moulding them into an effective unit could well be within the realms of possibility so whilst perhaps fanciful not complete rubbish to entertain.

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

rikz Flag Croydon 03 Apr 23 10.59am

Out of rogers and Potter I'd definitely take rogers, more experience, potter looked completely in over his head at Chelsea, clueless with bizarre team selections. I thought rogers handled managing a big club like Liverpool pretty well. Done a great job at Swansea, great job at Leicester and celtic. Potter done okay at Brighton but how much of that was down to their scouting system ? Plus de zerbi has came in and done an even better job with the same players.

 

Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 03 Apr 23 11.43am

Originally posted by Leecpfc

I’d still like us to try and get Rafa Benitez. Would potentially help with summer recruitment knowing that they’d get to play under him.

I am certainly not expecting to see Benitez at our club.

 

dreamwaverider Flag London 03 Apr 23 11.48am

Focus on our remaining games.

Sit very tight with Roy. Focus on getting right behind him and the team just like we did on Saturday.

Right now, Im wishing Roy was 20 years younger. He is such a good fit for the Palace.

 

PJEagle Flag London 03 Apr 23 12.59pm

Originally posted by dreamwaverider

Focus on our remaining games.

Sit very tight with Roy. Focus on getting right behind him and the team just like we did on Saturday.

Right now, Im wishing Roy was 20 years younger. He is such a good fit for the Palace.

[Link]

Maybe if Parish wanted, he could give Roy a season extension to oversee the summer window where there will be lots of comings and goings, including Wilf probably? Roy has great experience and knows Palace so well...

 

cROYdonrogers Flag Leamington Spa 03 Apr 23 1.25pm

I'm reasonably well disposed to Roy but a full season - No. Loved it Saturday. He's turned a number of players round eg Doucoure and Mitchell to some degree but we have to plan sensibly for next year.
Why not ask Roy who he admires most of a younger generation. As long as doesn't say Potter or Rodgers I'll listen.
This is going to be a really difficult call. I am seriously struggling to think of anyone suitable for our club. Roy's appointment however has given Dougie time to do his job. Sticking with Roy would just be kicking the can down the road.

 

Uphill Flag Bedford 03 Apr 23 1.31pm

I am a bit aghast about the press talk of getting Mr Cooper from Forest.

I am sure his coaching skills are better than his media persona.

Personally I wouldn't object to Rodgers or Potter but there is plenty of time to get this sorted and I am sure there are others 'beneath the radar' that would be suitable.

 

Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 03 Apr 23 1.36pm

Originally posted by cROYdonrogers

I'm reasonably well disposed to Roy but a full season - No. Loved it Saturday. He's turned a number of players round eg Doucoure and Mitchell to some degree but we have to plan sensibly for next year.
Why not ask Roy who he admires most of a younger generation. As long as doesn't say Potter or Rodgers I'll listen.
This is going to be a really difficult call. I am seriously struggling to think of anyone suitable for our club. Roy's appointment however has given Dougie time to do his job. Sticking with Roy would just be kicking the can down the road.

Of course the win and performance on Saturday has created a mood of positivity and optimism, however if we revert to type in the next few matches and results go against us,Mr Hodgson will be viewed in a different light.

Irrespective of our fate, I certainly do not envisage him being at the helm next season.

Edited by Willo (03 Apr 2023 1.36pm)

 

Dubai Eagle Flag 03 Apr 23 1.38pm

My 2 concerns about having Roy next season -
a) Age obviously
b) He is too easily manageable by the board, by that I mean that if they say there is no money for new players he will accept it & get on with doing the job as best he can, if that happens we will eventually end up back where we were 2 seasons ago - in terms of the oldest squad in the league - (whichever League that happened to be in)

Originally posted by Nicholas91

I had the same pessimistic, knee-jerk reaction as many did when Roy was announced however I wouldn't be against this if things play out as they may do hypothetically:

Roy was always utilised as he did/would not spit a dummy out of the pram apropos lack of investment in team and was able to keep us afloat in doing so. That translates for many as him being a boring, uninspired manager however as noted with Fulham he can operate differently when he doesn't need a 8/9/10 man block just to stop the goals flowing in due to lack of options and talent.

Team looks a lot better on paper now, we need to invest and hopefully will do so effectively with players out of contract and just not good enough in some areas. Hopefully the Americans will see to that as they purportedly wanted to before Parish put brakes on and in light of a worrying three months this season.

A better looking squad needing the yes grandfatherly but nonetheless well experienced and equally skilled Hodgson drilling and moulding them into an effective unit could well be within the realms of possibility so whilst perhaps fanciful not complete rubbish to entertain.

 

m/k mick Flag milton keynes 03 Apr 23 1.45pm

Bert Head anyone

 

Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 03 Apr 23 1.51pm

Originally posted by m/k mick

Bert Head anyone

In a recent conversation concerning Mr Hodgson some gentleman said to me that Bert Head was in his 70s when he left our club, but I respectfully informed him that Head was in his late 50s when Malcolm Allison was appointed as his successor.


Edited by Willo (03 Apr 2023 1.52pm)

 

Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 03 Apr 23 1.55pm

Originally posted by Dubai Eagle

My 2 concerns about having Roy next season -
a) Age obviously
b) He is too easily manageable by the board, by that I mean that if they say there is no money for new players he will accept it & get on with doing the job as best he can, if that happens we will eventually end up back where we were 2 seasons ago - in terms of the oldest squad in the league - (whichever League that happened to be in)

Yes I agree on both points and would offer the following only as possibilities that would factor into a positive stance on Roy for another season:

a) Age - If he's got it in him, he's got it in him.

b) Finances - My suspicion is that the Americans will look to spend. We will also have to given Wilf's impending departure and several out of contract or past their 'usefulness date'. Also, if we don't have Roy I fear the alternative scenario is far worse with having a manager where we see a repeat of PV: no investment in squad, resentment and therefore ambivalence/disinterest kicking in. Very conscious Roy's employment could well lead to a less pressing inclination to splash any cash however and I think that is what you are alluding to so again agree that could be a detrimental side effect.

Edited by Nicholas91 (03 Apr 2023 1.55pm)

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 03 Apr 23 1.58pm

Originally posted by Nicholas91

Yes I agree on both points and would offer the following only as possibilities that would factor into a positive stance on Roy for another season:

a) Age - If he's got it in him, he's got it in him.

b) Finances - My suspicion is that the Americans will look to spend. We will also have to given Wilf's impending departure and several out of contract or past their 'usefulness date'. Also, if we don't have Roy I fear the alternative scenario is far worse with having a manager where we see a repeat of PV: no investment in squad, resentment and therefore ambivalence/disinterest kicking in. Very conscious Roy's employment could well lead to a less pressing inclination to splash any cash however and I think that is what you are alluding to so again agree that could be a detrimental side effect.

Edited by Nicholas91 (03 Apr 2023 1.55pm)

There could of course be a different ownership structure.

 

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