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Originally posted by ASCPFC
With the laughable and revealing comment that he offers more defensively. I laughed but the football has not been funny. I generally enjoy your posts but that is a bit harsh. When he came on at st James park CB pressed in attack bought free kicks in the attacking half and slowed down the game thereby helping to minimise any action in the defensive half. That is he defended from the front. Perhaps mateta isn't as good at that role.
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Originally posted by silvertop
I generally enjoy your posts but that is a bit harsh. When he came on at st James park CB pressed in attack bought free kicks in the attacking half and slowed down the game thereby helping to minimise any action in the defensive half. That is he defended from the front. Perhaps mateta isn't as good at that role. He normally seems to be routed to the centre spot which could mean 3 things. 1) He's under instruction
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Originally posted by silvertop
I generally enjoy your posts but that is a bit harsh. When he came on at st James park CB pressed in attack bought free kicks in the attacking half and slowed down the game thereby helping to minimise any action in the defensive half. That is he defended from the front. Perhaps mateta isn't as good at that role. Is it that harsh? I think defending from the front is a complete exaggeration of how we play. Defending from the front requires attacking intent. If you're all in your own half most of the game it's not defending from the front.
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
On this one I just don't care. The defenders can defend corners. The strikers can score. Obviously not if you're Benteke, however. How do we know anything about Mateta and ball retention? Has he even played 90 minutes yet? If he's not actually a better player than Benteke he may as well give up now and change career. Or take corners.
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Originally posted by Willo
Matete did get on the pitch at Tottenham with about 15 mins remaining with the game basically lost. Less about trust and more about defensive qualities! Kinda understandable if you need to hang on to a lead with 10 minutes to go - but starting with a striker who has such a poor scoring record and on top of that not playing to his strengths week after week! Yikes!
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Defending set pieces and corners especially requires a team effort, to suggest defenders only do the defending is very bizarre. That logic means defenders do not go up to try and score from attacking corners. Basically, nonsense Originally posted by ASCPFC
On this one I just don't care. The defenders can defend corners. The strikers can score. Obviously not if you're Benteke, however. How do we know anything about Mateta and ball retention? Has he even played 90 minutes yet? If he's not actually a better player than Benteke he may as well give up now and change career.
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This issue of Benteke being picked for his defending has been addressed before. Roy mentioned it as part of a wider appraisal in which he clearly placed Benteke's defending second to his role in helping us start attacks, which as we all know to the point of tedium, involves playing with his back to goal - something Mateta may not be so good at. All teams have to get up the pitch somehow. If the opponent sits back (as Man Utd and West Brom did) then we will have more of the ball and can build play in our own time. If the opponent presses us, then we either need to be good enough to pass it through them (we aren't), or bypass them. That means going from back to front quickly, and requires either a forward with pace to run behind their defence, or one who can show for the ball and hold it up. Roy started the season with Batshuayi up top, aiming to use his pace in behind to stretch teams back, making a bit of space for Wilf to get on the ball. As we know, Batshuayi has been crap, and defeats the point of the strategy by constantly running offside, so Roy turned to Benteke, who has been OK in patches. I get the desire to see Mateta play instead of Benteke as the former might be more likely to convert chances, but that doesn't matter if we make even less chances because we can't get up the pitch. All of this is subject to change. Mateta may improve his hold up play. We may change our style to go direct a little less. We might somehow sign a far better forward then either of them. Who knows? The point surely is that none of these things are going to happen right now, when points are at stake. To say Benteke plays instead of a goalscorer simply because he defends well is nonsense.
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Originally posted by TheBigToePunt
This issue of Benteke being picked for his defending has been addressed before. Roy mentioned it as part of a wider appraisal in which he clearly placed Benteke's defending second to his role in helping us start attacks, which as we all know to the point of tedium, involves playing with his back to goal - something Mateta may not be so good at. All teams have to get up the pitch somehow. If the opponent sits back (as Man Utd and West Brom did) then we will have more of the ball and can build play in our own time. If the opponent presses us, then we either need to be good enough to pass it through them (we aren't), or bypass them. That means going from back to front quickly, and requires either a forward with pace to run behind their defence, or one who can show for the ball and hold it up. Roy started the season with Batshuayi up top, aiming to use his pace in behind to stretch teams back, making a bit of space for Wilf to get on the ball. As we know, Batshuayi has been crap, and defeats the point of the strategy by constantly running offside, so Roy turned to Benteke, who has been OK in patches. I get the desire to see Mateta play instead of Benteke as the former might be more likely to convert chances, but that doesn't matter if we make even less chances because we can't get up the pitch. All of this is subject to change. Mateta may improve his hold up play. We may change our style to go direct a little less. We might somehow sign a far better forward then either of them. Who knows? The point surely is that none of these things are going to happen right now, when points are at stake. To say Benteke plays instead of a goalscorer simply because he defends well is nonsense. If our style of play suits a Benteke type player then it kind of begs the question why we have wasted a load of money on two loans in Batshuyai and Mateta, neither of which play in that style.
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Originally posted by HKOwen
Defending set pieces and corners especially requires a team effort, to suggest defenders only do the defending is very bizarre. That logic means defenders do not go up to try and score from attacking corners. Basically, nonsense You don't pick a striker on his ability to defend corners, end of story. Perhaps you want to defend that, that's the nonsense. You must be a computer programmer with your use of logic.
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
If our style of play suits a Benteke type player then it kind of begs the question why we have wasted a load of money on two loans in Batshuyai and Mateta, neither of which play in that style. I don't think it's to do with a forward suiting an ingrained style, it's just about player performance. We brought in a quick forward who runs behind (Batshuayi) but he played very badly, so we used the alternative player we have (Benteke) thus dictating a slightly different way of attacking. Benetke's faults are evident, so we went for another forward who, if he proves to be good enough will, in time, play and no doubt necessitate another slight tactical tweak. At the moment though Mateta hasn't done enough to force his way in, and that is all to do with his play outside the box which, in fairness to Hodgson, is vital to the team.
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Originally posted by TheBigToePunt
This issue of Benteke being picked for his defending has been addressed before. Roy mentioned it as part of a wider appraisal in which he clearly placed Benteke's defending second to his role in helping us start attacks, which as we all know to the point of tedium, involves playing with his back to goal - something Mateta may not be so good at. All teams have to get up the pitch somehow. If the opponent sits back (as Man Utd and West Brom did) then we will have more of the ball and can build play in our own time. If the opponent presses us, then we either need to be good enough to pass it through them (we aren't), or bypass them. That means going from back to front quickly, and requires either a forward with pace to run behind their defence, or one who can show for the ball and hold it up. Roy started the season with Batshuayi up top, aiming to use his pace in behind to stretch teams back, making a bit of space for Wilf to get on the ball. As we know, Batshuayi has been crap, and defeats the point of the strategy by constantly running offside, so Roy turned to Benteke, who has been OK in patches. I get the desire to see Mateta play instead of Benteke as the former might be more likely to convert chances, but that doesn't matter if we make even less chances because we can't get up the pitch. All of this is subject to change. Mateta may improve his hold up play. We may change our style to go direct a little less. We might somehow sign a far better forward then either of them. Who knows? The point surely is that none of these things are going to happen right now, when points are at stake. To say Benteke plays instead of a goalscorer simply because he defends well is nonsense.
As for attackers defending, the best PL teams require it, albeit a lot further up the field!
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Originally posted by doombear
As for attackers defending, the best PL teams require it, albeit a lot further up the field! Mateta scored on his first start. Benteke's been missing open goals for fun for three seasons. I lost all faith with him watching him murder two tap ins against Liverpool. Wilf lost the rag too - right in front of me. We would have won with anyone else up front. 5 goals, OK, but what about the previous 40 games? It's unforgiveable.
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