Not to pick on you, but, this is the problem right?

We seem to view politics as a match of football, where we support a team no matter what.

Boris did win London twice, but what did he actually do? Not just him, I'm not sure I can actually name a thing of note any London Mayor has done.

This is why I try not to read newspapers and watch things like Question Time, because there's never any in depth discussion on the matters and because papers like The Sun were Labour through and through and now they're full on Conservative. The Mirror is the reverse. How can you honestly switch your views so drastically? I've seen a better attempt in forums like this one, although not always successfully, to try and discuss issues.

Just the way of the world. I always like to think that Obama's intervention in 2016 was one of the things that swung it for the Leave side.

And I loved Tusk's comments about how us Leavers are hankering for 'Empire'. LOL. Especially given what Guy van Hofstadt said recently.

Surely the point of us leaving the EU is that we don't want to be part of an 'Empire'.

Let us hope for more interventions like this. All helpful.

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Yep, plus advertising of what Labour's conference voted for to be their policies in respect of immigration...This needs to be front and centre in all Labour's northern heartlands.

Maintain and extend free movement rights

Close all detention centres

End “no recourse to public funds” policies

Scrap all Hostile Environment measures… and restrictions on migrants’ NHS access

Extend equal rights to vote to all UK residents regardless of nationality

Oppose the current immigration legislation and any curbing of rights

Campaign for free movement, equality and rights for migrants

Reject any immigration system based on incomes, migrants’ utility to business, and number caps/targets

Ensure unconditional right to family reunion

I loved Tusk's comments about how us Leavers are hankering for 'Empire'. LOL. Especially given what Guy van Hofstadt said recently.

Does anyone know how many other democratic western countries allow non citizens full voting rights?

Most allow voting for local councils, the dog catcher etc. but I would be surprised if many allow votes in National elections?

It's shameful gerrymandering if we are going to play that game then the Tories should bring back the extra business vote.

Judge.
Have you considered that we are being forced to live longer so being more of a burden on the services and the state.

Who is forcing us? I am really interested in your solution for this one.

There is an obvious link between health and pension age extension.
The same link between us living longer and NHS usage.

Also all these billionaires and the top 1% actually
Pay 25% of tax take.

Because they have all the money. That's like putting me and Richard Branson together and telling me not to complain, because on average I'm a billionaire.

Irrelevant what % of what they earn is payed it is still an absolute huge amount.

The old 'it doesn't matter what % of tax they pay' doozy. I have all my pay taxed at source, yet, I pay for travel, substance, employee a cleaner and gardener and pay for my extra study materials to improve myself at my profession as well a go to lectures in and around England. None of it tax deductible.

I could start my own company, but my employer wouldn't hire me, so I'm stuck.

If labour get in power they will raise tax for the top 5% of earners.
That will be from around 75k upwards.

Mentioned already and it's £80k. I'd love to do a survey on this site and see how many are on £80k+. Again, worst case scenario, if you're on £149k, you'll pay around an extra £3.5k a year, unless you want to contribute it to your pension scheme.

When the very highest earners give it the middle finger labour will slowly scratch another 1% down then another 1% down.

They most probably will. I would tax 100% of wealth trying to leave the country. Where are they going to go?

Before long 40k will have a tax increase.
Then pensions then home owners.

Again, i'd be interested to know how many people in this country earn over £40k and have their own house.

Socialism wants equality.
The only people who will be unaffected are the feckless and work shy.

What socialism wants, in this country, is irrelevant. This has always been the argument that socialism kills so many more people than capitalism and we should be worried about it. Causation does not always equal correlation. Show me a country with a dictator and I will show you millions of dead bodies. Show me a country with a decent democracy and I will show you less. The UK is pretty socialist as it is.

Labour now offering free broadband by nationalising part of BT I presume they mean Openreach.

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Assuming that they will compensate BT that will cost billions which would be better spent on the infrastructure rather than the shareholders.

Also I am not sure that this is the right move. 5G offers the real possibility of doing away with landlines fibre or coaxial and should be a cheaper solution for the countryside.

It's an attractive vote winner but I think it's a poison chalice, this may mean Labour investing in fibre optic when 5G wireless is the way to go. Not to mention the Starlight project from Elon Musk which if it works will deliver the internet from satellites to every part of the world, he just launched 60 of them.

Labour maybe backing the wrong horse. BT are not outraged by the suggestion, do they suspect that their technology will be worthless in a few years?