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Skinnii Sheffield 18 Mar 22 10.24am | |
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Originally posted by Elpis
This for me really is a case of horses for courses . When in that distant past , when we set up camp in own penalty box and relied on the electric pace of Zaha and Townsend to get us up the pitch players like AWB ,Tompkin and Dann were the best defenders on the planet .(cough) Move them 20 yards up the pitch aka the Pat Vieira system and those same players become liabilities . We have removed the liabilities , Manchester United paid £50 million for one .lol One of the revelations of the season for me has been the way Ward has adapted to the Vieira style of play ,yes we need an upgrade but looking at AWB playing for utd I honestly dont think he would get in our side any longer . Oh and Mitchell , good isnt he . I disagree on this point. As I've noted before tactically in possession we shift to a back 3. Ward/Clyne on the right, Andersen in the centre and Guehi on the left. This allows Mitchell to push further up on the left wing in a wing back role and allows Zaha to push in as a sort of second striker. AWB's strengths are his recovery pace and tackling, both better than either Ward or Clyne. I think he would be ideally suited to the right side of the back three I have described, providing extra security on the right if our possession breaks down and he'd also compensate for Andersen's lack of pace. This would however require a great deal of tactical coaching with him, something I think he has lacked at Manchester United. Inmho it's no surprise that AWB isn't the only young player at United that has regressed in the last couple of years (e.g. Rashford) and that's down to poor coaching. He does however have his faults - it appears he can't cross, he sometimes lack concentration and in the United team he always seems to take the easy option - either a pass backwards or to one of the "superstars". I also think his confidence is gone and taking a step back from "The Greatest Football Club in the World" (lol) would probably do nothing to improve this. Fundamentally I think AWB could be a good solid right back for a mid table Premier League team if that team acknowledges his limitations but it will take some good coaching and there's no guarantee his experience at United hasn't permanently damaged his confidence.
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Lanzo-Ad Lanzarote 18 Mar 22 10.46am | |
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Originally posted by eagleman13
You really are an odious cockwomble, keep the faith boy & don't forget your paper round in the morning. Luvsya t**t Phew, just finished my round
“That’s a joke son, I say, that’s a joke.” “Nice boy, but he’s sharp as a throw pillow.” “He’s so dumb he thinks a Mexican border pays rent” “ “Son… I say, son, some people are so narrow minded they can look through a keyhole with both eyes.”__ Forhorn Leghorn |
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eagleman13 On The Road To Hell & Alicante 18 Mar 22 10.49am | |
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Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad
Phew, just finished my round Well, it is a big island . . .
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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 18 Mar 22 11.55am | |
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Originally posted by Elpis
This for me really is a case of horses for courses . When in that distant past , when we set up camp in own penalty box and relied on the electric pace of Zaha and Townsend to get us up the pitch players like AWB ,Tompkin and Dann were the best defenders on the planet .(cough) Move them 20 yards up the pitch aka the Pat Vieira system and those same players become liabilities . We have removed the liabilities , Manchester United paid £50 million for one .lol One of the revelations of the season for me has been the way Ward has adapted to the Vieira style of play ,yes we need an upgrade but looking at AWB playing for utd I honestly dont think he would get in our side any longer . Oh and Mitchell , good isnt he . Of course he would - he was miles better than Ward when he was here, and he still is now he's left. Edited by EverybodyDannsNow (18 Mar 2022 11.55am)
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pssguy 18 Mar 22 3.15pm | |
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How is AWB going to oust Nathan ferguson? The lad hasn't put a foot wrong since he joined us
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Elpis In a pub 18 Mar 22 5.30pm | |
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Originally posted by Skinnii
I disagree on this point. As I've noted before tactically in possession we shift to a back 3. Ward/Clyne on the right, Andersen in the centre and Guehi on the left. This allows Mitchell to push further up on the left wing in a wing back role and allows Zaha to push in as a sort of second striker. AWB's strengths are his recovery pace and tackling, both better than either Ward or Clyne. I think he would be ideally suited to the right side of the back three I have described, providing extra security on the right if our possession breaks down and he'd also compensate for Andersen's lack of pace. This would however require a great deal of tactical coaching with him, something I think he has lacked at Manchester United. Inmho it's no surprise that AWB isn't the only young player at United that has regressed in the last couple of years (e.g. Rashford) and that's down to poor coaching. He does however have his faults - it appears he can't cross, he sometimes lack concentration and in the United team he always seems to take the easy option - either a pass backwards or to one of the "superstars". I also think his confidence is gone and taking a step back from "The Greatest Football Club in the World" (lol) would probably do nothing to improve this. Fundamentally I think AWB could be a good solid right back for a mid table Premier League team if that team acknowledges his limitations but it will take some good coaching and there's no guarantee his experience at United hasn't permanently damaged his confidence. So (if he came back) we would have to ackowledge his limitations ,spend time coaching him to the style the team is playing without gaurentees and hope he hasnt been damaged mentally from his time playing alongside Maguire (lol) As I say he wouldnt get in the side .
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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 18 Mar 22 5.34pm | |
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Originally posted by Elpis
So (if he came back) we would have to ackowledge his limitations ,spend time coaching him to the style the team is playing without gaurentees and hope he hasnt been damaged mentally from his time playing alongside Maguire (lol) As I say he wouldnt get in the side . I mean the first half of your post is literally exactly what we've done with Ward, so yes.
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Elpis In a pub 18 Mar 22 5.38pm | |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
I mean the first half of your post is literally exactly what we've done with Ward, so yes. Fair enough ,if he did ever come back I would be his greatest fan but while hes a Manc he can do one and Wardy is God .
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Lanzo-Ad Lanzarote 18 Mar 22 5.59pm | |
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There is also the small matter he is on 83k a week at the Scumbags, he would get 40k at the most back at palace
“That’s a joke son, I say, that’s a joke.” “Nice boy, but he’s sharp as a throw pillow.” “He’s so dumb he thinks a Mexican border pays rent” “ “Son… I say, son, some people are so narrow minded they can look through a keyhole with both eyes.”__ Forhorn Leghorn |
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Jimmy Doyle Butterworth 19 Mar 22 9.43am | |
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I'd like to see both in Palace shirts. What an awesome full back pairing that would be.
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cryrst The garden of England 11 Apr 22 10.15pm | |
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Hope it's paper talk but Mitchell may not make the semi final.
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southnorwoodhill 12 Apr 22 6.27am | |
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Sooty v Sweep, Laurel v Hardy, Marks v Spencer - it's a tough one
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