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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Whether it’s a waste of money, or not, will always be a matter of opinion. If it was your money then your opinion would matter. Same applies to the Mail. It isn’t their money though, so why do they think it necessary to get involved? It’s just to get readers like you wound up. There are much more important things happening in the world. It's paid with out of YOUR taxes. It's what they call in the USA Pork
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
What is it intended to determine? Does anyone speak Woke on here - so that they can translate?
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When I read the article I didnt pay an awful lot of attention to it & just assumed it was another step in the journey to discredit Even now I am not convinced if that was correct or not.
Originally posted by georgenorman
Does anyone speak Woke on here - so that they can translate?
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Originally posted by georgenorman
Does anyone speak Woke on here - so that they can translate? Not fluently I'm afraid but this is from their website: “Given that educational institutions throughout the world are actively engaged in decolonising their curricula, Stevenson’s work and legacy present a particularly valuable focus of inquiry. Stevenson became actively involved in supporting Samoan and Hawaiian indigenous sovereignty movements at a crucial period just before these islands were annexed by the US and Germany.” However, it said that while the writer treated South Seas locals “with considerable agency and dignity” they sadly include “many of the colonial stereotypes typical of fin-de-siecle western literature.”
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Originally posted by Jimenez
It's paid with out of YOUR taxes. It's what they call in the USA Pork Exactly. Earlier I posted about researchers I know and forgot to include this point. So this lady had been researching poverty in Bolton and was complaining about how hard she had been working and what a terrible life immigrants had. I soon figured out that when she talked about Bolton she was not interested in researching white poor people, oh no. Anyway she was not happy when I asked the question, "who are you doing this research for?" "What do you mean?" "Well has the government asked you to do this research? Or the Labour Party? or a poverty charity?" It turned out she had decided she wanted to do the research and had persuaded the university to fund it. In other words no one asked for this to be done and no one was going to read her results, still it made her feel good. Nice work... Another researcher admitted to me she had taken a grant from the French Olympic Committee to do research related to the up coming Parish games. She happily admitted she had no interest in that and was going to investigate the lives of migrants in Paris.
Edited by Badger11 (27 Mar 2024 7.51am)
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Originally posted by Jimenez
It's paid with out of YOUR taxes. It's what they call in the USA Pork It isn’t. It’s paid out of OUR taxes. Taxes that are administered by those we collectively choose to represent us. Who delegate some responsibilities to professionals they employ. Individually we have no responsibility at all for their decisions. Our responsibility stops at the ballot box. The Daily Mail doesn’t even have a vote.
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Originally posted by Behind Enemy Lines
I don’t read the Mail but thanks for you opinion of me. Glad to learn that. It’s probably the only thing you have contributed here that I agree with. I did though say “like” you!
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
It isn’t. It’s paid out of OUR taxes. Taxes that are administered by those we collectively choose to represent us. Who delegate some responsibilities to professionals they employ. Individually we have no responsibility at all for their decisions. Our responsibility stops at the ballot box. The Daily Mail doesn’t even have a vote. No it's not.
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Originally posted by georgenorman
Opinion is divided - one person thinks it is not a ridiculous waste of money, everyone else thinks it is. Just for the record I have not said it isn’t a ridiculous waste of money. What I have said is no one, other than those involved and the funder, has the information to determine that. Those, like the Mail, who write deliberately provocative articles designed to enrage their readership are not doing anyone a service. They are pursuing a political agenda. With so many genuinely concerning things happening in the world it’s reasonable to ask why any “newspaper” would choose to run this as a story.
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Just for the record I have not said it isn’t a ridiculous waste of money. What I have said is no one, other than those involved and the funder, has the information to determine that. Those, like the Mail, who write deliberately provocative articles designed to enrage their readership are not doing anyone a service. They are pursuing a political agenda. With so many genuinely concerning things happening in the world it’s reasonable to ask why any “newspaper” would choose to run this as a story. No it's not.
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Originally posted by georgenorman
No it's not. You pay it on your own do you? Or do taxes arrive out of thin air? I know we run a deficit so not all spending is taxation based. The point is that this is a government responsibility, not an individual one.
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
You pay it on your own do you? Or do taxes arrive out of thin air? I know we run a deficit so not all spending is taxation based. The point is that this is a government responsibility, not an individual one. It's not.
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I understand that you find the Daily Mail's reporting and the responses to it to be predictable and filled with complaints about wasteful spending. However, it's essential to acknowledge that neither the newspaper nor anyone here truly knows the full rationale behind the project in question. It could have multiple objectives and serve various purposes that go beyond what is apparent. It's important not to jump to conclusions based on the analysis presented by the Mail, as their perspective may be biased. Moreover, decisions about funding research projects are made through a rigorous and peer-reviewed process by independent experts in the field. Therefore, it may be more reasonable to rely on these expert opinions rather than solely relying on the newspaper's analysis. Typical Daily Mail report and predictable responses here to it. You all do love to have a moan about something the Mail reports as a “woke” waste of money! Neither the Mail nor anybody here knows the true rationale which lies behind this project. It could easily be multi-faceted and intended to meet several objectives. People tend not to throw money at worthless projects so making assumptions on any analysis presented by the Mail is many times more questionable than a peer reviewed decision made by a University. A spokesman for UKRI said: 'UKRI invests in a diverse research and innovation portfolio. Decisions to fund the research projects we support are made via a rigorous peer review process by relevant independent experts from across academia and business.'
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Originally posted by georgenorman
Does anyone speak Woke on here - so that they can translate? Nobody does. It’s a pejorative term used by conservatives to try to diminish perfectly reasonable aspirations. Try reading and watching these:-
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Not fluently I'm afraid but this is from their website: “Given that educational institutions throughout the world are actively engaged in decolonising their curricula, Stevenson’s work and legacy present a particularly valuable focus of inquiry. Stevenson became actively involved in supporting Samoan and Hawaiian indigenous sovereignty movements at a crucial period just before these islands were annexed by the US and Germany.” However, it said that while the writer treated South Seas locals “with considerable agency and dignity” they sadly include “many of the colonial stereotypes typical of fin-de-siecle western literature.” That’s probably not going to be awarded a “Crystal Mark” for language clarity!
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Nobody does. It’s a pejorative term used by conservatives to try to diminish perfectly reasonable aspirations. Try reading and watching these:- No it's not.
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Just for the record I have not said it isn’t a ridiculous waste of money. What I have said is no one, other than those involved and the funder, has the information to determine that. Those, like the Mail, who write deliberately provocative articles designed to enrage their readership are not doing anyone a service. They are pursuing a political agenda. With so many genuinely concerning things happening in the world it’s reasonable to ask why any “newspaper” would choose to run this as a story. Who ever approves "research" need to ask a simple question. What will be done with this report? Who will use it. Every week it seems there is an article about a report that has been commissioned by the government (any party) and that the person who did the research is complaining that the results have either been partially or fully ignored. So if research commissioned by the establishment is ignored what chance that research that isn't will be used.
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
It's the socially liberal conservatives that have betrayed actual conservativism by overseeing all these weirdos into these positions...talking about but doing nothing over what was happening in our universities....Indeed encouraging it. It's not an accident that the leaders of these institutions are woke...DEI isn't an accident it's government policy. .The conservatives did nothing at all about it. Let it not be forgotten that Amber Rudd both put Dick in charge at the Met and publicly celebrated the appointment. Just like it was the conservatives who wrote manufesto after manifesto committing itself to lowering immigration only to actually enforce policies that deliberat4ely increased it. I think the truth is hitting most Tory voters now that actually the Tories are far more concerned with both neo and social liberalism than anything else and have been falsely trading under the conservative name for decades now. Even Reform aren't that conservative and....and as has been shown have deselected candidates if they spoke politically correct views or Hope Not Hate dislike them.....And let it not be forgotten that the far left Hate Not Hope are given hundreds of thousands of pounds of taxpayer's money each year by the conservatives....when that organization directly oppose conservativism. Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Mar 2024 8.06am) The Reform website is a major disappointment, lots of promises but no solutions. I think I can say that every party will make the same claims as Reform, promises promises. What I need to read is how they intend to achieve their goals. Until they explain that I doubt I will be voting for them.
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