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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 17 Jan 21 9.00pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Ha, you don't even believe in the system. A Democratic administration is only a means towards a more globalistic end for you. From what I see they have gone over the top in Washington, but who knows....maybe they needed to. However, it's a big country and as unfortunate as it will be steam finds its release at the weakest points. I believe it’s the best worst one for now - also what I think will happen vs what I believe are not the same thing. I think they’re allowed to make absolutely sure it doesn’t happen again. Why leave anything to chance, and why put police with limited training for what could happen in harms way? Also it’s rather obviously a big f*** off deterrent. I’m sure some blubbery bobbies would be far more enticing to an armed mob than the national guard. Will make them think twice Edited by SW19 CPFC (17 Jan 2021 9.01pm)
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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 17 Jan 21 9.03pm | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
It wasnt me either, but leftys do have selective memories! You wrote this though, right? ‘That's two people you've called a loon. What’s that? Oh yes, yes you did.
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cryrst The garden of England 17 Jan 21 9.27pm | |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
You wrote this though, right? ‘That's two people you've called a loon. What’s that? Oh yes, yes you did. Clearly I wrote the above yes, my name is on it.
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Stirlingsays 17 Jan 21 9.43pm | |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
I believe it’s the best worst one for now - also what I think will happen vs what I believe are not the same thing. I think they’re allowed to make absolutely sure it doesn’t happen again. Why leave anything to chance, and why put police with limited training for what could happen in harms way? Also it’s rather obviously a big f*** off deterrent. I’m sure some blubbery bobbies would be far more enticing to an armed mob than the national guard. Will make them think twice Edited by SW19 CPFC (17 Jan 2021 9.01pm) Let's take this away from the 20th into more of a political positioning perspective. While Trump's definitely an elite's he's also a nationalist so at the very least he represents a challenge to the near monopoly of globalism. A stop gap if you like....a delay of the process. I'd say you'd agree that the west as a society is heading towards a western 'China 2.0'...more corporate focused perhaps but an elite monoculture that controls an economically 'serf-like' population it keeps in nihilistic slumber with technological bread and circuses. Now I know you think this system will ultimately win out...maybe it will. However, to bring in a silly Star Wars analogy if you are faced with supporting the republic, the Empire or being Han Solo (who later joins the republic) surely you aren't going to side with the Empire just because it possibly wins. The X wing or the Tie fighter......Trump is Luke Skywalker ....just a rather horrible version who actually loses at the end of the first movie. Better to die at the 'hot gates' than to be a slave to the Persians. Ok, now I know these analogies have gone too far....but I'm two JDs in and I'll be having a third.
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BlueJay UK 17 Jan 21 11.52pm | |
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‘I Answered the Call of My President’: Rioters Say Trump Urged Them On - [Link] "In the two weeks since a raging mob stormed the Capitol, President Trump has shown no sign that he believes he shares responsibility for the worst incursion on the halls of Congress in more than two centuries. Shielding him further, his loyalists have started shifting blame for the attack to an array of distracting bogeymen: far-left anti-fascists, Black Lives Matter activists, even vague conspiracies of a setup involving Vice President Mike Pence. But one group of people has already come forward and directly implicated Mr. Trump in the riot at the Capitol: some of his own supporters who were arrested while taking part in it. In court papers and interviews, at least four pro-Trump rioters have said they joined the march that spiraled into violence in part because the president encouraged them to do so. In the past few days, a retired firefighter charged with assaulting members of the Capitol Police force told a friend he went to the building following “the president’s instructions,” according to a criminal complaint, and a Texas real estate agent accused of breaching the building told a reporter that by protesting in Washington, she had “answered the call of my president.” A Virginia man has told the F.B.I. that he and his cousin marched on the Capitol because Mr. Trump said “something about taking Pennsylvania Avenue.” And a lawyer for the so-called QAnon Shaman — who invaded the building in a Viking costume — said that Mr. Trump was culpable, and he planned to ask the White House for a pardon. “Does our president bear responsibility?” the lawyer, Al Watkins, told The New York Times. “Hell, yes, he does." Love on the rocks, ain't no surprise! Most couples split up face to face or over the phone. Perhaps a coldhearted text. Trump leaves you in a jail cell.. A couple have asked for a pardon. I can't see that as things are nuts enough as it is, but how about Assange, or Snowden? For all their faults it could be argued that 'at one time' they put the people first rather than themselves or their governments misdeeds. Has he got the balls?
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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 18 Jan 21 12.02am | |
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Originally posted by BlueJay
‘I Answered the Call of My President’: Rioters Say Trump Urged Them On - [Link] "In the two weeks since a raging mob stormed the Capitol, President Trump has shown no sign that he believes he shares responsibility for the worst incursion on the halls of Congress in more than two centuries. Shielding him further, his loyalists have started shifting blame for the attack to an array of distracting bogeymen: far-left anti-fascists, Black Lives Matter activists, even vague conspiracies of a setup involving Vice President Mike Pence. But one group of people has already come forward and directly implicated Mr. Trump in the riot at the Capitol: some of his own supporters who were arrested while taking part in it. In court papers and interviews, at least four pro-Trump rioters have said they joined the march that spiraled into violence in part because the president encouraged them to do so. In the past few days, a retired firefighter charged with assaulting members of the Capitol Police force told a friend he went to the building following “the president’s instructions,” according to a criminal complaint, and a Texas real estate agent accused of breaching the building told a reporter that by protesting in Washington, she had “answered the call of my president.” A Virginia man has told the F.B.I. that he and his cousin marched on the Capitol because Mr. Trump said “something about taking Pennsylvania Avenue.” And a lawyer for the so-called QAnon Shaman — who invaded the building in a Viking costume — said that Mr. Trump was culpable, and he planned to ask the White House for a pardon. “Does our president bear responsibility?” the lawyer, Al Watkins, told The New York Times. “Hell, yes, he does." Love on the rocks, ain't no surprise! Most couples split up face to face or over the phone. Perhaps a coldhearted text. Trump leaves you in a jail cell.. A couple have asked for a pardon. I can't see that as things are nuts enough as it is, but how about Assange, or Snowden? For all their faults it could be argued that 'at one time' they put the people first rather than themselves or their governments misdeeds. Has he got the balls? I quite enjoyed this summary of the mob ‘Still trying to wrap my head around the fact that a bunch of people And this - an absolute classic
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 18 Jan 21 12.03am | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Anyone who has read the sheer bile you have written on these pages over years, which has almost been word for word a repeat of opinions coming out of the Democratic media will understand that your contention that polarisation is just Trump is fantasy. Trump is a polarisating figure this is accurate, however I can't think of one major Democatic figure who isn't. Trump never called for violence, yet I can pull up Democratics like Waters who directly called for Democrats to confront Republicans and 'push back on them'...which is precisely what rioting Democratic supporters did.....Yet, that was met with silence from the hypocrites you prefer. Regardless, the forces pulling the US apart are deeply ingrained and set. While the Democratic party reflects its base, the Republican one is split.....once the Republican leadership properly reflects its grass roots then its current representation will improve...For example the conservatives in the Congress who didn't sort out silicon valley because they were being lobbied and funded by them. The out of touch who came on here around the 6th and after saying the Democrats would be a 'healing' force get to watch the dimness of that prediction over the coming months. Democrats can censor the right but they can't censor the consequences of their actions.....which won't be healing but the non compliance that Democratic states gave Trump. Reap what you sow.
My approach being described as "bile" I regard as a compliment when it comes from someone whose own contributions are never-ending right-wing bs. The endless desire to try to shift the blame for just about anything that has ever happened, which doesn't match your world view, onto the Democrats is as tacky as it is ridiculous. Those who regard the Democrats as "polarising" need to take a long hard look in the mirror before pointing their fingers elsewhere. They may well be very different to you but that's because you are already polarised. People on the extremes generally are. The far-left are also polarised and the Democrats are a long, long way from being far-left. They remind me much more of the social-democratic main-stream in Europe than anything else. Indeed their political philosophy is much closer to all our own major parties than anything that Trump ever represented. Trump didn't call for violence? That will be tested during his impeachment. He was often careless with his words, both written and spoken, but as his Twitter is now unavailable I cannot quote them to you. However, it isn't always what you say which matters when you are the POTUS. What you don't say is almost as important. Trump never, ever acted as the POTUS. He was constantly in campaign mode, looking for support from his base so he could continue in office. He never put the country first. If it coincided with what benefitted him then he would make big claims but at the forefront of his thoughts was always how this would impact him. So allowing his indoctrinated base to believe that the election was "stolen" when there was no actual evidence that was true, and then not to call for calm at the appropriate moment was beyond irresponsible. To not squash the Qanon conspiracy but pretend he knew nothing about it, was a cruel act of harm. The grassroots of Republicanism do NOT lie with Trump and his support base. The Republicans have been hijacked by them but will now, I believe, distance themselves as rapidly as possible. The never-Trumpers will rise up and regain their party's heart. There is much more that binds the mainstream of both the Republican and Democratic parties than divides them. They differ on policy but are decent people, who believe in democracy and the rule of law. Whilst there are certainly now some who are made in Trump's image they seem to be losing funding and respectability pretty quickly. Those who continue to offer him support risk becoming pariahs. I think the new Congress may well surprise us by working better together to get things done than many expect. You seem surprised that some states resisted Trump. Why on earth wouldn't they? He was the worst POTUS ever by a country mile. Any respectable politician had a duty to resist him. The Democrats have a massive task ahead. Not only do they inherit a surging pandemic which has been very poorly handled by the previous administration, but they also have a population split as never before. One in which the kind of distrust and attitudes you display have been deliberately sown by the previous POTUS. One term will never be enough. The recovery and rebuilding will take a generation. Whether Biden can stabilise things has yet to be seen but he certainly cannot make things worse himself. My hope is that he will reach out across the aisle in Congress and ask for co-operation to try to overcome the problems together. Repairing the divisions in the country will take much longer, but Congress is where it can start. We will see, but I hope that the cynicism you show isn't replicated there or things will be much harder than they need to be. The right is no more being censored than the left. Those who call for violence in pursuit of their political aims and/or spread harmful misinformation are. "Silicon Valley" have at last woken up to the dangers of not effectively moderating content and started to act in the public interest. If that upsets a few who prefer to allow people to promote violence without restraint, then so be it. There is no freedom without responsibility. You do indeed reap what you sow. As Trump and his supporters are finding out the hard way. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (18 Jan 2021 12.10am)
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 18 Jan 21 12.14am | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
The arrests of whom and when? Are you in the know? If no-one is arrested on Weds next we will all be delighted. And very surprised.
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BlueJay UK 18 Jan 21 12.43am | |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
I quite enjoyed this summary of the mob ‘Still trying to wrap my head around the fact that a bunch of people And this - an absolute classic If only more had been wearing a mask, they might have done themselves a few favours. Fair play to all of those who turned up just to protest, as is their right. It was a self filtering group though, as those entering the Capitol building were clearly either delusional or dangerous and many of those directly outside, aside from the cop killed, gave a good go at battering a couple of other police officers to death before either escaping or essentially pleading for their lives. #bluelivesmatter Yeah, when they're giving your perceived opponents a beating. The baying mob showed up as 'virtue signallers' rather than people of principle. Edited by BlueJay (18 Jan 2021 12.54am)
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Stirlingsays 18 Jan 21 1.02am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
My approach being described as "bile" I regard as a compliment when it comes from someone whose own contributions are never-ending right-wing bs. The endless desire to try to shift the blame for just about anything that has ever happened, which doesn't match your world view, onto the Democrats is as tacky as it is ridiculous. Those who regard the Democrats as "polarising" need to take a long hard look in the mirror before pointing their fingers elsewhere. They may well be very different to you but that's because you are already polarised. People on the extremes generally are. The far-left are also polarised and the Democrats are a long, long way from being far-left. They remind me much more of the social-democratic main-stream in Europe than anything else. Indeed their political philosophy is much closer to all our own major parties than anything that Trump ever represented. Trump didn't call for violence? That will be tested during his impeachment. He was often careless with his words, both written and spoken, but as his Twitter is now unavailable I cannot quote them to you. However, it isn't always what you say which matters when you are the POTUS. What you don't say is almost as important. Trump never, ever acted as the POTUS. He was constantly in campaign mode, looking for support from his base so he could continue in office. He never put the country first. If it coincided with what benefitted him then he would make big claims but at the forefront of his thoughts was always how this would impact him. So allowing his indoctrinated base to believe that the election was "stolen" when there was no actual evidence that was true, and then not to call for calm at the appropriate moment was beyond irresponsible. To not squash the Qanon conspiracy but pretend he knew nothing about it, was a cruel act of harm. The grassroots of Republicanism do NOT lie with Trump and his support base. The Republicans have been hijacked by them but will now, I believe, distance themselves as rapidly as possible. The never-Trumpers will rise up and regain their party's heart. There is much more that binds the mainstream of both the Republican and Democratic parties than divides them. They differ on policy but are decent people, who believe in democracy and the rule of law. Whilst there are certainly now some who are made in Trump's image they seem to be losing funding and respectability pretty quickly. Those who continue to offer him support risk becoming pariahs. I think the new Congress may well surprise us by working better together to get things done than many expect. You seem surprised that some states resisted Trump. Why on earth wouldn't they? He was the worst POTUS ever by a country mile. Any respectable politician had a duty to resist him. The Democrats have a massive task ahead. Not only do they inherit a surging pandemic which has been very poorly handled by the previous administration, but they also have a population split as never before. One in which the kind of distrust and attitudes you display have been deliberately sown by the previous POTUS. One term will never be enough. The recovery and rebuilding will take a generation. Whether Biden can stabilise things has yet to be seen but he certainly cannot make things worse himself. My hope is that he will reach out across the aisle in Congress and ask for co-operation to try to overcome the problems together. Repairing the divisions in the country will take much longer, but Congress is where it can start. We will see, but I hope that the cynicism you show isn't replicated there or things will be much harder than they need to be. The right is no more being censored than the left. Those who call for violence in pursuit of their political aims and/or spread harmful misinformation are. "Silicon Valley" have at last woken up to the dangers of not effectively moderating content and started to act in the public interest. If that upsets a few who prefer to allow people to promote violence without restraint, then so be it. There is no freedom without responsibility. You do indeed reap what you sow. As Trump and his supporters are finding out the hard way. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (18 Jan 2021 12.10am) Far worst than the rancid contents of your post was the incredible boredom I experienced reading it. It would be easier to jack off to the speaking clock than re-read that again.
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
Sitting in your hands? Intriguing Was meant to be s***ting
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
My approach being described as "bile" I regard as a compliment when it comes from someone whose own contributions are never-ending right-wing bs. The endless desire to try to shift the blame for just about anything that has ever happened, which doesn't match your world view, onto the Democrats is as tacky as it is ridiculous. Those who regard the Democrats as "polarising" need to take a long hard look in the mirror before pointing their fingers elsewhere. They may well be very different to you but that's because you are already polarised. People on the extremes generally are. The far-left are also polarised and the Democrats are a long, long way from being far-left. They remind me much more of the social-democratic main-stream in Europe than anything else. Indeed their political philosophy is much closer to all our own major parties than anything that Trump ever represented. Trump didn't call for violence? That will be tested during his impeachment. He was often careless with his words, both written and spoken, but as his Twitter is now unavailable I cannot quote them to you. However, it isn't always what you say which matters when you are the POTUS. What you don't say is almost as important. Trump never, ever acted as the POTUS. He was constantly in campaign mode, looking for support from his base so he could continue in office. He never put the country first. If it coincided with what benefitted him then he would make big claims but at the forefront of his thoughts was always how this would impact him. So allowing his indoctrinated base to believe that the election was "stolen" when there was no actual evidence that was true, and then not to call for calm at the appropriate moment was beyond irresponsible. To not squash the Qanon conspiracy but pretend he knew nothing about it, was a cruel act of harm. The grassroots of Republicanism do NOT lie with Trump and his support base. The Republicans have been hijacked by them but will now, I believe, distance themselves as rapidly as possible. The never-Trumpers will rise up and regain their party's heart. There is much more that binds the mainstream of both the Republican and Democratic parties than divides them. They differ on policy but are decent people, who believe in democracy and the rule of law. Whilst there are certainly now some who are made in Trump's image they seem to be losing funding and respectability pretty quickly. Those who continue to offer him support risk becoming pariahs. I think the new Congress may well surprise us by working better together to get things done than many expect. You seem surprised that some states resisted Trump. Why on earth wouldn't they? He was the worst POTUS ever by a country mile. Any respectable politician had a duty to resist him. The Democrats have a massive task ahead. Not only do they inherit a surging pandemic which has been very poorly handled by the previous administration, but they also have a population split as never before. One in which the kind of distrust and attitudes you display have been deliberately sown by the previous POTUS. One term will never be enough. The recovery and rebuilding will take a generation. Whether Biden can stabilise things has yet to be seen but he certainly cannot make things worse himself. My hope is that he will reach out across the aisle in Congress and ask for co-operation to try to overcome the problems together. Repairing the divisions in the country will take much longer, but Congress is where it can start. We will see, but I hope that the cynicism you show isn't replicated there or things will be much harder than they need to be. The right is no more being censored than the left. Those who call for violence in pursuit of their political aims and/or spread harmful misinformation are. "Silicon Valley" have at last woken up to the dangers of not effectively moderating content and started to act in the public interest. If that upsets a few who prefer to allow people to promote violence without restraint, then so be it. There is no freedom without responsibility. You do indeed reap what you sow. As Trump and his supporters are finding out the hard way. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (18 Jan 2021 12.10am) Oh please. I don't like Trump but that is a silly comment. Even the BBC has said impeachment is not a legal process but a political process. The idea that they will seek the truth and vote accordingly has long gone.
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