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Teddy Eagle 09 Feb 23 4.58pm | |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
Of course it's true. £30k a year gross is about £24k a year net, so £2k a month. Average rent in London is £1.5-1.6k conservatively with utilities and council tax on top - that's your £2k basically done. Even if you find somewhere for £1200 PCM on rent, you're leaving £300 a month for travel, food and essentials. Impossible. If you have kids or dependents the numbers make even less sense. That whole argument is also centred around this idea that people doing jobs as important as nursing or firefighting should be happy saving lives all day for money which does not afford them any sort of social life, hobby or luxury. Is that a reasonable expectation? "Yeah you may do life saving work, but if you ate nothing but oats and pasta 7 days a week, you wouldn't need the food bank!" is not the win some people seem to think it is. At the same time as demonising key workers for being poor and not being able to budget, our Lee claims £223k a year in expenses on top of his salary.
And the old age pension is under £10,000 PA so all these life savers will find it a lot tougher when they've retired.
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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 09 Feb 23 5.05pm | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
In which case the BBC will have no problems finding volunteers and showing Lee Anderson up. PS you forgot to include child benefit and possibly in work benefits but I take your point. If the facts support you let's see the detail on the BBC. Edited by Badger11 (09 Feb 2023 4.57pm) Yeah, who wouldn't volunteer to that - go and broadcast to the world how poor you are so you can have everyone pick apart every life decision you make. What do you mean if the facts support me... I've just typed out the facts - if you don't agree, what would you challenge in the numbers? Include child benefit if you'd like and tell me how you'd make the money work.
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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 09 Feb 23 5.10pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
And the old age pension is under £10,000 PA so all these life savers will find it a lot tougher when they've retired. Absolutely, and that's another disgusting stain our society. There are stories of pensioners dying every week who can't afford to turn heating on or eat properly.
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Badger11 Beckenham 09 Feb 23 5.20pm | |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
Yeah, who wouldn't volunteer to that - go and broadcast to the world how poor you are so you can have everyone pick apart every life decision you make. What do you mean if the facts support me... I've just typed out the facts - if you don't agree, what would you challenge in the numbers? Include child benefit if you'd like and tell me how you'd make the money work. And what about Housing benefit? My point is that unless we see a payslip what benefits they claim what rent they pay and what their debts are it's all speculation. You have not provided facts you have provided an example not quite the same thing. If people don't want to back up their claims I quite understand but then the BBC should stop making claims they cannot prove. I am not saying that no fireman or nurse has ever gone to a food bank what we don't now is why? If somebody was in debt due to gambling that is the reason why they visited a food bank not because they are a nurse. That is why you need specific examples to identify people who really did need to go to a food bank as their salary was insufficient.
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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 09 Feb 23 5.38pm | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
And what about Housing benefit? My point is that unless we see a payslip what benefits they claim what rent they pay and what their debts are it's all speculation. You have not provided facts you have provided an example not quite the same thing. If people don't want to back up their claims I quite understand but then the BBC should stop making claims they cannot prove. I am not saying that no fireman or nurse has ever gone to a food bank what we don't now is why? If somebody was in debt due to gambling that is the reason why they visited a food bank not because they are a nurse. That is why you need specific examples to identify people who really did need to go to a food bank as their salary was insufficient. Sorry I think your position is really quite disingenuous - the idea that you can’t estimate someone’s take home salary, rent and living expenses to a reasonable degree of accuracy is silly. Of course people have specific situations but we have more than enough information to draw general conclusions - you just don’t like the conclusions so you’d rather pretend we can’t. Include housing benefit, include child support, include a gambling problem and tell me how someone on £30k a year makes ends meet based on the average cost of living in London.
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Badger11 Beckenham 09 Feb 23 6.07pm | |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
Sorry I think your position is really quite disingenuous - the idea that you can’t estimate someone’s take home salary, rent and living expenses to a reasonable degree of accuracy is silly. Of course people have specific situations but we have more than enough information to draw general conclusions - you just don’t like the conclusions so you’d rather pretend we can’t. Include housing benefit, include child support, include a gambling problem and tell me how someone on £30k a year makes ends meet based on the average cost of living in London. We shall have to disagree. We are discussing someone who has to go to a food bank not whether Nurses deserve more money because they do.
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cryrst The garden of England 09 Feb 23 6.30pm | |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
Yeah, who wouldn't volunteer to that - go and broadcast to the world how poor you are so you can have everyone pick apart every life decision you make. What do you mean if the facts support me... I've just typed out the facts - if you don't agree, what would you challenge in the numbers? Include child benefit if you'd like and tell me how you'd make the money work. Well you could just suck it up
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steeleye20 Croydon 09 Feb 23 8.58pm | |
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'HS2 is so expensive because ‘we are more responsible builders than the French and Chinese'. How ridiculous. Only when I 'larf. Then we read that 'responsible' HS2 is discharging raw sewage into the River Colne already 5 times this year. Only the basic still applies to HS2, it will connect Birmingham to Euston everything else has been discarded, and it may not actually reach Euston until 2038. Its nothing more than a gravy train for a rich elite, its analogue in a digital age.
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Teddy Eagle 09 Feb 23 9.10pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
'HS2 is so expensive because ‘we are more responsible builders than the French and Chinese'. How ridiculous. Only when I 'larf. Then we read that 'responsible' HS2 is discharging raw sewage into the River Colne already 5 times this year. Only the basic still applies to HS2, it will connect Birmingham to Euston everything else has been discarded, and it may not actually reach Euston until 2038. Its nothing more than a gravy train for a rich elite, its analogue in a digital age. That's what happens when you contract out to a Swedish firm.
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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 09 Feb 23 9.18pm | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Brilliant.
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steeleye20 Croydon 09 Feb 23 9.23pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
That's what happens when you contract out to a Swedish firm. 'Italy launches new Rome-Milan high speed train: 2 hours and 45 minutes'. The whole HS2 project was unnecessary.
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Teddy Eagle 09 Feb 23 9.38pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
'Italy launches new Rome-Milan high speed train: 2 hours and 45 minutes'. The whole HS2 project was unnecessary. But it reduces the carbon footprint.
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