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Matov 23 Jun 21 4.36pm
Originally posted by Jimenez It all depends what you'd call a higher wage? I'm assuming this restaurant in Fitzrovia is very high end so wages would be decent? Well clearly not 'decent' enough. Which is the point. What freedom of movement did was effectively dangle a carrot to people from poorer European countries. Come to the UK, sleep 4 to a room and then, in 5 years time, you will have enough money to buy your own house back in your home village. Saw it time and time again, first with Poles and then of late, Romanaians. Now I have zero problem with Poles and Romanains who did this. I believe that for a variety of reasons the UK needs people to come and live here and I would have happily retrained freedom of movement, with a few tweaks here and there, whilst banning/or making bloody difficult, non-EU migration into the UK which I see as the biggest threat long term. But let's get one thing straight here. Freedom of movement allowed employees in the hospitality sector to get away with paying piss-poor wages. That simple. And now it has to change. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Matov

23 Jun 21 4.36pm

Originally posted by Jimenez

It all depends what you'd call a higher wage? I'm assuming this restaurant in Fitzrovia is very high end so wages would be decent?

Well clearly not 'decent' enough. Which is the point.

What freedom of movement did was effectively dangle a carrot to people from poorer European countries. Come to the UK, sleep 4 to a room and then, in 5 years time, you will have enough money to buy your own house back in your home village. Saw it time and time again, first with Poles and then of late, Romanaians.

Now I have zero problem with Poles and Romanains who did this. I believe that for a variety of reasons the UK needs people to come and live here and I would have happily retrained freedom of movement, with a few tweaks here and there, whilst banning/or making bloody difficult, non-EU migration into the UK which I see as the biggest threat long term.

But let's get one thing straight here. Freedom of movement allowed employees in the hospitality sector to get away with paying piss-poor wages. That simple. And now it has to change.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Matov 23 Jun 21 4.38pm
Originally posted by croydon proud Tell that to the michelin starred restaurant owner and chief brexiteer wetherspoons bloke mate, they say they can"t get anyone as they all went home! At the wages on offer. Start uping those and people will start applying. Its basic economic laws of supply and demand. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Matov

23 Jun 21 4.38pm

Originally posted by croydon proud

Tell that to the michelin starred restaurant owner and chief brexiteer wetherspoons bloke mate, they say they can"t get anyone as they all went home!

At the wages on offer. Start uping those and people will start applying. Its basic economic laws of supply and demand.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 23 Jun 21 4.38pm
Originally posted by Spiderman Perhaps that’s what they told him Perhaps mate, but it seems the amount of business owners moaning about lack of staff after brexit can"t be ignored, or papered over, theres a real problem there, and with the wetherspoons bloke in particular, I think he is eating humble pie!

croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 23 Jun 21 4.40pm
Originally posted by Jimenez It all depends what you'd call a higher wage? I'm assuming this restaurant in Fitzrovia is very high end so wages would be decent? I read yesterday something along the same lines of a Restaurant in Beverly Hills who were struggling to hire waiters, although the owner claimed that waiters at this establishment could easily earn 120K a year, now that isn't chump change. Big apple to California Jim? You could commute on those wages and get an uber!

croydon proud

Any european country i fancy! 23 Jun 21 4.40pm

Originally posted by Jimenez

It all depends what you'd call a higher wage? I'm assuming this restaurant in Fitzrovia is very high end so wages would be decent?
I read yesterday something along the same lines of a Restaurant in Beverly Hills who were struggling to hire waiters, although the owner claimed that waiters at this establishment could easily earn 120K a year, now that isn't chump change.

Big apple to California Jim? You could commute on those wages and get an uber!

Spiderman Horsham 23 Jun 21 5.00pm
Originally posted by Orange1290 Go ask UK fishermen, farmers, exporters to EU, financial service providers.....I'm sure they'll have a little message for you In a bottle?

Spiderman

Horsham 23 Jun 21 5.00pm

Originally posted by Orange1290

Go ask UK fishermen, farmers, exporters to EU, financial service providers.....I'm sure they'll have a little message for you

In a bottle?

Orange1290 23 Jun 21 5.04pm
Originally posted by Spiderman In a bottle? Yeah, possible a broken one. Pro China, EU & Palestine

Orange1290

23 Jun 21 5.04pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

In a bottle?

Yeah, possible a broken one.

Pro China, EU & Palestine

Badger11 Beckenham 23 Jun 21 5.30pm
Originally posted by croydon proud Originally posted by Spiderman Perhaps that’s what they told him Perhaps mate, but it seems the amount of business owners moaning about lack of staff after brexit can"t be ignored, or papered over, theres a real problem there, and with the wetherspoons bloke in particular, I think he is eating humble pie! 2m are still on furlough sitting at home not working. Stop their freebie and they will start looking for work. I think it will be autumn before we find out if this staffing crisis is real or just a temporary blip but bearing in mind the number of people who are actually unemployed and not furlouhed why would we be importing cheap foreign labour. The hospitality sector has had billions from the taxpayer the government should tell them to look closer to home for their staff. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 23 Jun 21 5.30pm

Originally posted by croydon proud

Originally posted by Spiderman

Perhaps that’s what they told him

Perhaps mate, but it seems the amount of business owners moaning about lack of staff after brexit can"t be ignored, or papered over, theres a real problem there, and with the wetherspoons bloke in particular, I think he is eating humble pie!

2m are still on furlough sitting at home not working. Stop their freebie and they will start looking for work.

I think it will be autumn before we find out if this staffing crisis is real or just a temporary blip but bearing in mind the number of people who are actually unemployed and not furlouhed why would we be importing cheap foreign labour.

The hospitality sector has had billions from the taxpayer the government should tell them to look closer to home for their staff.

One more point

steeleye20 Croydon 23 Jun 21 5.39pm
Originally posted by Badger11 2m are still on furlough sitting at home not working. Stop their freebie and they will start looking for work. I think it will be autumn before we find out if this staffing crisis is real or just a temporary blip but bearing in mind the number of people who are actually unemployed and not furlouhed why would we be importing cheap foreign labour. The hospitality sector has had billions from the taxpayer the government should tell them to look closer to home for their staff. What an opportunity for you and all your brexiteer tory mates to show us how brexit is really working. You can all volunteer to do all these jobs, yourselves.

steeleye20

Croydon 23 Jun 21 5.39pm

Originally posted by Badger11

2m are still on furlough sitting at home not working. Stop their freebie and they will start looking for work.

The hospitality sector has had billions from the taxpayer the government should tell them to look closer to home for their staff.

What an opportunity for you and all your brexiteer tory mates to show us how brexit is really working.

You can all volunteer to do all these jobs, yourselves.

Spiderman Horsham 23 Jun 21 5.40pm
Originally posted by Orange1290 Yeah, possible a broken one. Nice Edited by Spiderman (23 Jun 2021 5.42pm)

Spiderman

Horsham 23 Jun 21 5.40pm

Originally posted by Orange1290

Yeah, possible a broken one.

Nice

Edited by Spiderman (23 Jun 2021 5.42pm)

Stirlingsays 23 Jun 21 5.55pm
Originally posted by Wilesy01 The benefits have been endless. In think in reality it's far too early to tell. But as one of my teaching colleagues said the day after the vote, 'it was done for emotional reasons'. The EU has to bear the responsibility for being a body more suited to its elites than its states. Personally I was very happy to reject it. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

23 Jun 21 5.55pm

Originally posted by Wilesy01

The benefits have been endless.

In think in reality it's far too early to tell.

But as one of my teaching colleagues said the day after the vote, 'it was done for emotional reasons'.

The EU has to bear the responsibility for being a body more suited to its elites than its states.

Personally I was very happy to reject it.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays 23 Jun 21 5.57pm
Originally posted by Spiderman And possibly, down the one, contributed to the break up of the EU. It's inevitable....though I think it'll break up into regions.....however it works out it has to be far more decentralised. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

23 Jun 21 5.57pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

And possibly, down the one, contributed to the break up of the EU.

It's inevitable....though I think it'll break up into regions.....however it works out it has to be far more decentralised.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Badger11 Beckenham 23 Jun 21 6.05pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 What an opportunity for you and all your brexiteer tory mates to show us how brexit is really working. You can all volunteer to do all these jobs, yourselves. So working in the hospitality sector is somehow beneath people on the dole? But it's good enough for Eastern Europeans? We have to get away from this mentality of paying British people not to work and importing cheap foreign labour. Not everyone is suited to this type of work but with 4.5% unemployed and 2m on furlough we should be able to find some. Edited by Badger11 (23 Jun 2021 6.05pm) One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 23 Jun 21 6.05pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

What an opportunity for you and all your brexiteer tory mates to show us how brexit is really working.

You can all volunteer to do all these jobs, yourselves.

So working in the hospitality sector is somehow beneath people on the dole? But it's good enough for Eastern Europeans?

We have to get away from this mentality of paying British people not to work and importing cheap foreign labour.

Not everyone is suited to this type of work but with 4.5% unemployed and 2m on furlough we should be able to find some.

Edited by Badger11 (23 Jun 2021 6.05pm)

One more point

Spiderman Horsham 23 Jun 21 6.17pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays It's inevitable....though I think it'll break up into regions.....however it works out it has to be far more decentralised. Orange bomb incoming

Spiderman

Horsham 23 Jun 21 6.17pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

It's inevitable....though I think it'll break up into regions.....however it works out it has to be far more decentralised.

Orange bomb incoming

cryrst The garden of England 23 Jun 21 7.19pm
Originally posted by Jimenez [Link] Found link.... Steelyeye tango and CP will find a way to blame this on brexit. Waiting for it.

cryrst

The garden of England 23 Jun 21 7.19pm

Originally posted by Jimenez

[Link]

Found link....

Steelyeye tango and CP will find a way to blame this on brexit.
Waiting for it.

cryrst The garden of England 23 Jun 21 7.22pm
Originally posted by Orange1290 Go ask UK fishermen, farmers, exporters to EU, financial service providers.....I'm sure they'll have a little message for you What % of GDP does this affect? Fishing is 0.2 farmers about 4% FSP not sure. The figure left is probably over 80%. Not bad really is it ?

cryrst

The garden of England 23 Jun 21 7.22pm

Originally posted by Orange1290

Go ask UK fishermen, farmers, exporters to EU, financial service providers.....I'm sure they'll have a little message for you

What % of GDP does this affect?
Fishing is 0.2 farmers about 4% FSP not sure.
The figure left is probably over 80%.
Not bad really is it ?

cryrst The garden of England 23 Jun 21 7.24pm
Originally posted by croydon proud Its a good question mate, but i think as Scotland is its own country it should be confined to them alone, how would you vote spider? But the snp can vote in the English parliament!

cryrst

The garden of England 23 Jun 21 7.24pm

Originally posted by croydon proud

Its a good question mate, but i think as Scotland is its own country it should be confined to them alone, how would you vote spider?

But the snp can vote in the English parliament!

Orange1290 23 Jun 21 7.27pm
Originally posted by cryrst What % of GDP does this affect? Fishing is 0.2 farmers about 4% FSP not sure. The figure left is probably over 80%. Not bad really is it ? You conveniently forgot financial services which was on my list, oops What happened to the massive cries about fishing during brexit 'negotiations'??? Conveniently forgotten unsurprisingly. Go explain 'not bad really is it?' to the fishermen and their families that have lost everything after decades working hard and being rewarded while EU citizens. Edited by Orange1290 (23 Jun 2021 7.30pm) Pro China, EU & Palestine

Orange1290

23 Jun 21 7.27pm

Originally posted by cryrst

What % of GDP does this affect?
Fishing is 0.2 farmers about 4% FSP not sure.
The figure left is probably over 80%.
Not bad really is it ?

You conveniently forgot financial services which was on my list, oops

What happened to the massive cries about fishing during brexit 'negotiations'??? Conveniently forgotten unsurprisingly. Go explain 'not bad really is it?' to the fishermen and their families that have lost everything after decades working hard and being rewarded while EU citizens.

Edited by Orange1290 (23 Jun 2021 7.30pm)

Pro China, EU & Palestine

cryrst The garden of England 23 Jun 21 7.29pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 What an opportunity for you and all your brexiteer tory mates to show us how brexit is really working. You can all volunteer to do all these jobs, yourselves. You do realise I'm a boiler engineer. People serve me!

cryrst

The garden of England 23 Jun 21 7.29pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

What an opportunity for you and all your brexiteer tory mates to show us how brexit is really working.

You can all volunteer to do all these jobs, yourselves.

You do realise I'm a boiler engineer.
People serve me!

croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 23 Jun 21 9.30pm
Originally posted by cryrst Steelyeye tango and CP will find a way to blame this on brexit. Waiting for it. No way, already told Jim to go for the job in Cali and uber it from NYC!

croydon proud

Any european country i fancy! 23 Jun 21 9.30pm

Originally posted by cryrst

Steelyeye tango and CP will find a way to blame this on brexit.
Waiting for it.

No way, already told Jim to go for the job in Cali and uber it from NYC!

HKOwen Hong Kong 23 Jun 21 11.30pm
"The way quotas are set centrally by the EU is also seen as being hugely unfair on British fishermen, as they can often end up getting only a small proportion of the catch within their own waters, as the following statistics show: 40% of Denmark’s entire fishing take comes from Britain’s territorial waters. In the Celtic Sea, France gets nearly three times the British allocation of Dover sole, roughly four times more cod and five times more haddock. France has 84% of the quota for cod in the English Channel, while Britain has only 9%. A single Dutch trawler the Cornelis Vrolijk, had the right to catch 23% of England’s entire fishing quota. In comparison, the entire small inshore fishing fleet for the whole of England is given 4% of the quota. European fishermen take 173 times more herring, 45 times more whiting, 16 times more mackerel and 14 times more haddock and cod out of UK waters than British fishermen do. The amount of fish landed in British ports has declined from around one million tons in 1973 (the year Britain joined the EEC) to 446,000 tons in 2016." Full report here [Link] And the Irish are not happy with the EU [Link] Sorry to introduce facts into the discussion Originally posted by Orange1290 You conveniently forgot financial services which was on my list, oops What happened to the massive cries about fishing during brexit 'negotiations'??? Conveniently forgotten unsurprisingly. Go explain 'not bad really is it?' to the fishermen and their families that have lost everything after decades working hard and being rewarded while EU citizens. Edited by Orange1290 (23 Jun 2021 7.30pm) Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

HKOwen

Hong Kong 23 Jun 21 11.30pm

"The way quotas are set centrally by the EU is also seen as being hugely unfair on British fishermen, as they can often end up getting only a small proportion of the catch within their own waters, as the following statistics show:

40% of Denmark’s entire fishing take comes from Britain’s territorial waters.
In the Celtic Sea, France gets nearly three times the British allocation of Dover sole, roughly four times more cod and five times more haddock. France has 84% of the quota for cod in the English Channel, while Britain has only 9%.
A single Dutch trawler the Cornelis Vrolijk, had the right to catch 23% of England’s entire fishing quota. In comparison, the entire small inshore fishing fleet for the whole of England is given 4% of the quota.
European fishermen take 173 times more herring, 45 times more whiting, 16 times more mackerel and 14 times more haddock and cod out of UK waters than British fishermen do.
The amount of fish landed in British ports has declined from around one million tons in 1973 (the year Britain joined the EEC) to 446,000 tons in 2016."

Full report here

[Link]

And the Irish are not happy with the EU

[Link]

Sorry to introduce facts into the discussion

Originally posted by Orange1290

You conveniently forgot financial services which was on my list, oops

Edited by Orange1290 (23 Jun 2021 7.30pm)

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

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