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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 26 Mar 21 3.42pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

I think we are confused.

Importing to the UK from the EU is largely unaffected due to the UK government extending grace periods and not enforcing brexit rules.

Exporting to the EU is a completely different matter, brexit is full on and the UK is experiencing the potential loss of its main market altogether.

The UK could have extended the transition in view of covid but it was blind to reason.

Really brexiteers arguments are pathetic, a problem for every solution.

You have to have a reason for EU customers now buying from you, why would they?

It is difficult complicated expensive, before it was easy, so why?


 

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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 26 Mar 21 5.31pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

I think we are confused.

Importing to the UK from the EU is largely unaffected due to the UK government extending grace periods and not enforcing brexit rules.

Exporting to the EU is a completely different matter, brexit is full on and the UK is experiencing the potential loss of its main market altogether.

The UK could have extended the transition in view of covid but it was blind to reason.

Really brexiteers arguments are pathetic, a problem for every solution.

You have to have a reason for EU customers now buying from you, why would they?

It is difficult complicated expensive, before it was easy, so why?


Whilst I disagree with your wider sentiment, the actual basics of this have some validity.

For specific reasons, the UK is not matching the kind of import controls that the EU is placing on our exports. The EU are being officious w***ers but that is what they are. My entire rationale around the notion of 'No Deal' was based on the fact that the EU would never show the kind of good-will flexibility to make a trade deal work. They are simply incapable of it and essentially have to be treated as a wounded animal. Dangerous in the extreme.

Essentially we are in a grin and bear it phase. Easier for the UK over-all to just let EU goods flow in for the time being.

But one day, and it will be soon, then the game changes. And then we turn off the taps for a whole range of EU agricultural goods whilst we have ships coming in from all over the world stacked to the rafters with all kinds of goodies.

Patience is the key here. All I see is a European Union in dire trouble. Yes, its not great for us but we are free of its clutches and can react faster and more decisively. This is as bad as it gets for us and we are surviving. Soon the boot will be on the other foot.

 


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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 26 Mar 21 6.26pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Matov

Whilst I disagree with your wider sentiment, the actual basics of this have some validity.

For specific reasons, the UK is not matching the kind of import controls that the EU is placing on our exports. The EU are being officious w***ers but that is what they are. My entire rationale around the notion of 'No Deal' was based on the fact that the EU would never show the kind of good-will flexibility to make a trade deal work. They are simply incapable of it and essentially have to be treated as a wounded animal. Dangerous in the extreme.

Essentially we are in a grin and bear it phase. Easier for the UK over-all to just let EU goods flow in for the time being.

But one day, and it will be soon, then the game changes. And then we turn off the taps for a whole range of EU agricultural goods whilst we have ships coming in from all over the world stacked to the rafters with all kinds of goodies.

Patience is the key here. All I see is a European Union in dire trouble. Yes, its not great for us but we are free of its clutches and can react faster and more decisively. This is as bad as it gets for us and we are surviving. Soon the boot will be on the other foot.

I've never really seen tarrifs on imported goods have much of a positive impact on anything. Often the intentions seem fair but the end results were not as expected.
Ireland was held back for around 50 years by imposing tarrifs on British imports, Britain did likewise to Ireland and Ireland's main market was reduced. Domestic consumption could not replace the shortfalls. Goods were often smuggled from the North - which had outcomes which haven't been fully explored, in my opinion. Actually could have been a major factor in terrorism.
I see Britain in a similar situation. I actually suspect a lot of this is electioneering hardball, exacerbated by Covid 19, not least the poor vaccine rollout in the EU, which is not reported as such in our news at all. I suspect RT and Al Jazeera report on it but can't watch them. I expect a quiet deal will be done once there is less domestic turmoil. They've been rioting in Holland, for instance. Not exactly a hotbed of civil disobedience.
Macron, in particular, needs to mouth off for the old guard French nationalists to support him and not vote for Le Front Nationale. Merkel's coalition is becoming more and more unworkable, there are socialists, Greens and Conservatives, that have no common reason to support each other, other than to keep mammy in. The list of failed and undermined governments in the EU is frankly endless. The Irish government is at best nepotistic, always incompetent and proven to be corrupt, pretty much in the open. As for the UK government, well, you see that for yourself. Italians, I'll stop there. The failure of politics in the EU is palpable, sound bytes are the way to go. Johnson saw that - he's not as silly as some think.
But, mouth off and posture they will, but a deal will be reached or the bottom line will suffer the longer this goes on. God forbid EUMPs could even face wage freezes, action will happen then. They're enjoying their vaccines as we speak. Yet, oddly no reporting on that here. I wonder why?
A ridiculously long post with many errors. I must apologise. Patience will probably work but do expect there to be some posturing and brinkmanship and climb downs from all sides in between. It's jockeying for negotiating space currently. The usual fun and games whilst the average person pays for it.

 


I used to put the manager's name in front of Red and Blue but got fed up with changing it. If someone cool becomes our manager then maybe..

Red and Blue Army!

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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 26 Mar 21 7.27pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Originally posted by ASCPFC

I've never really seen tarrifs on imported goods have much of a positive impact on anything. Often the intentions seem fair but the end results were not as expected.
Ireland was held back for around 50 years by imposing tarrifs on British imports, Britain did likewise to Ireland and Ireland's main market was reduced. Domestic consumption could not replace the shortfalls. Goods were often smuggled from the North - which had outcomes which haven't been fully explored, in my opinion. Actually could have been a major factor in terrorism.
I see Britain in a similar situation. I actually suspect a lot of this is electioneering hardball, exacerbated by Covid 19, not least the poor vaccine rollout in the EU, which is not reported as such in our news at all. I suspect RT and Al Jazeera report on it but can't watch them. I expect a quiet deal will be done once there is less domestic turmoil. They've been rioting in Holland, for instance. Not exactly a hotbed of civil disobedience.
Macron, in particular, needs to mouth off for the old guard French nationalists to support him and not vote for Le Front Nationale. Merkel's coalition is becoming more and more unworkable, there are socialists, Greens and Conservatives, that have no common reason to support each other, other than to keep mammy in. The list of failed and undermined governments in the EU is frankly endless. The Irish government is at best nepotistic, always incompetent and proven to be corrupt, pretty much in the open. As for the UK government, well, you see that for yourself. Italians, I'll stop there. The failure of politics in the EU is palpable, sound bytes are the way to go. Johnson saw that - he's not as silly as some think.
But, mouth off and posture they will, but a deal will be reached or the bottom line will suffer the longer this goes on. God forbid EUMPs could even face wage freezes, action will happen then. They're enjoying their vaccines as we speak. Yet, oddly no reporting on that here. I wonder why?
A ridiculously long post with many errors. I must apologise. Patience will probably work but do expect there to be some posturing and brinkmanship and climb downs from all sides in between. It's jockeying for negotiating space currently. The usual fun and games whilst the average person pays for it.

Can we have a precis please.

Good anyway.

My basic point is that to export to the EU the UK has to be competitive in delivery, price and quality.

And it has to be easy, the most important thing, but how can that be now, many exporters have simply given up.

EU people will simply buy elsewhere within the market without all the extra hassle.

Treaties, rules do not decide, it is consumers, businesses, not politicians who buy and sell.

We are talking 2.9% GDP?

You would have to lay all our trade arrangements end to end to achieve a fraction of that.

'brexit means brexit'

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 26 Mar 21 7.38pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

Can we have a precis please.

Good anyway.

My basic point is that to export to the EU the UK has to be competitive in delivery, price and quality.

And it has to be easy, the most important thing, but how can that be now, many exporters have simply given up.

EU people will simply buy elsewhere within the market without all the extra hassle.

Treaties, rules do not decide, it is consumers, businesses, not politicians who buy and sell.

We are talking 2.9% GDP?

You would have to lay all our trade arrangements end to end to achieve a fraction of that.

'brexit means brexit'

3 months in ; did you not say in an earlier post that it needs 6-9 months to make comparisons?
After that if we are where we are you will have allies to your comments. Goalposts and all that st20

 

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View croydon proud's Profile croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 26 Mar 21 7.57pm Send a Private Message to croydon proud Add croydon proud as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

3 months in ; did you not say in an earlier post that it needs 6-9 months to make comparisons?
After that if we are where we are you will have allies to your comments. Goalposts and all that st20

Think it was 6 months mate, 3 to go before we call you on it .

 

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View croydon proud's Profile croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 26 Mar 21 8.02pm Send a Private Message to croydon proud Add croydon proud as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

I think we are confused.

Importing to the UK from the EU is largely unaffected due to the UK government extending grace periods and not enforcing brexit rules.

Exporting to the EU is a completely different matter, brexit is full on and the UK is experiencing the potential loss of its main market altogether.

The UK could have extended the transition in view of covid but it was blind to reason.

Really brexiteers arguments are pathetic, a problem for every solution.

You have to have a reason for EU customers now buying from you, why would they?

It is difficult complicated expensive, before it was easy, so why?



Ireland alone spent 1 billion euros, 850 million, less this year in January than same month last year, 75% of that loss was foodstuff, its a lot of lolly to lose! Wheres Jacob when we need him?

 

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View croydon proud's Profile croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 26 Mar 21 8.04pm Send a Private Message to croydon proud Add croydon proud as a friend

Originally posted by croydon proud

Think it was 6 months mate, 3 to go before we call you on it .

Sorry peoples, i ment the member for Medway said give it 6 months and see, not Steeleye!

 

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View croydon proud's Profile croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 26 Mar 21 8.11pm Send a Private Message to croydon proud Add croydon proud as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

7 weeks in to brexit.
Teething problems, 6 months and yes question it but not this early.

Just to clear up any confusion mate.

 

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View SW19 CPFC's Profile SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 26 Mar 21 9.49pm Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

I highly doubt the export issues we are currently facing will get resolved in the next 3 months. Even more unlikely now they're imploding over their inability to organise their vaccine response.

Maybe 18-24 months before that gets close to some sort of resolution... and even then it won't be enough to reverse the severe damage it is doing to a vast swathe of UK businesses, from e-commerce to shellfish.

It will be even worse if we fail to take advantage of the glorious position we are likely to be in as economic first movers vs. EU countries who are so far behind their vaccination programmes.

Happy to be proven wrong in 3 months, though.

 


said the rabid giraffe whilst brandishing his throbbing member of reason, and twas ever thus.

Did you know? 95% of people are morons.

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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 26 Mar 21 11.28pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

Can we have a precis please.

Good anyway.

My basic point is that to export to the EU the UK has to be competitive in delivery, price and quality.

And it has to be easy, the most important thing, but how can that be now, many exporters have simply given up.

EU people will simply buy elsewhere within the market without all the extra hassle.

Treaties, rules do not decide, it is consumers, businesses, not politicians who buy and sell.

We are talking 2.9% GDP?

You would have to lay all our trade arrangements end to end to achieve a fraction of that.

'brexit means brexit'

Our economy will adjust. And when we start matching the EU in terms of obstacles for imports then it will hurt them more than us. Then lets see who is bleating.

We pay far too much for our food. We can import a lot more, a lot cheaper. At the moment, due to Covid, global trade is impacted. But once normality returns, then we will see.

Yes, the EU is playing the utter w***er card at the moment. In a way it is rather gratifying. Proves what millions of us believed about it all along. It does not have to be this way but chooses to do so.

As of now, and due to Covid, that has had no real impact on its exporters. This time in 18 months it will.

Europe is heading for a real s*** storm. The ECB will open the coffers for just long enough to stabilise the German, and to a lesser extent, the Dutch economies, before turning off the tap. The need to keep the other smaller economies poor so that the Euro is kept as a cheap global currency allowing all those shiny German and Dutch exports to be sold is all that matters. The single s***ty Catch 22 of the entire farce that is the Euro.

Brexit will be this nations saving grace.

 


Now on GAB @Matov. Come and help build something.

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 27 Mar 21 2.46am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by croydon proud

Sorry peoples, i ment the member for Medway said give it 6 months and see, not Steeleye!

Correct but 'we' call you on it, unless you are one and the same poster

 

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