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 steeleye20  Croydon 20 Oct 17 12.45pm |
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You pay 60 billions for someone to prepare to talk to you? Absurd weakness.
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 Hrolf The Ganger 20 Oct 17 12.53pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Remaining is actually a strong position. Leave is bankruptcy and humiliation. She is paying up. How long will it be before you work out that we are leaving?
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 20 Oct 17 12.53pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
You pay 60 billions for someone to prepare to talk to you? Absurd weakness. So you want us to pay for our responsibilities but it's weakness if we do. Sounds like the difficulty in understanding what women wanted yesterday then today.
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| Stirlingsays 20 Oct 17 12.57pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Who is anti British? You and others are. By default anyone who doesn't believe in nations and automatically thinks all nationalism is bad is by definition anti British. Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Oct 2017 12.59pm)
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| Stirlingsays 20 Oct 17 12.58pm |
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Originally posted by Lyons550
I'm not so sure it is tbh..as i said elsewhere...if we're expected to pay for projects that havent yet started then personally i'd expect to have the benefits of any [outputs] they produce as well (yet another negotiating point i'd assume).... I would need to see a convincing argument made for this.
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| Stirlingsays 20 Oct 17 1.01pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
You pay 60 billions for someone to prepare to talk to you? Absurd weakness. We could probably rustle up a few quid not to have you.....Shame you are a remainer on here as well. When are you leaving for the EU? At least Eurowhathisface followed his principles.
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| Mr_Gristle In the land of Whelk Eaters 20 Oct 17 1.10pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
You and others are. By default anyone who doesn't believe in nations and automatically thinks all nationalism is bad is by definition anti British. Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Oct 2017 12.59pm) I would have thought that believing that all nationalism is bad would make one anti-nationalist. By default, anyone who distils this stuff to such fundamental bollox is, by definition, anti-intellectual.
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| CambridgeEagle Sydenham 20 Oct 17 1.31pm |
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Originally posted by .TUX.
I fully appreciate that many now would possibly reverse their initial vote of 'leave' but this is purely driven by a deliberately biased media manipulating easily manipulated minds imo (no offence). Not this old zombie rubbish again. UK domestic debt is above EU club debt. UK credit rating worse than EU debt rating. You can't pretend debt is a EU specific issue, or an issue somehow invented in the EU. Every bank in the world creates debt. That's their job. The EU debt is nothing extraordinary, other than it's backed by a club of guarantors (spreads risk). Debt being used to "artificially inflate value"... are you somehow saying EU debt has some feature which makes it totally different from all other state issue debt? What about Japan? 240% odd debt to GDP ratio. How do you explain what's going on there? Wizardry I suppose?
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| Stuk Top half 20 Oct 17 1.44pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
I don't think that's the sticking point, its the UK offering 20bn as their pay out, which the EU claims won't even cover the costs of British Citizens still living within the EU in terms of social security, pensions etc. I'd imagine that in any negotiation the initial basic cost tends to be the point to agree before you start dealing with terms of agreement. How much are they paying us for the greater number of them that will be living in the UK then? All of their arguments are nonsense. Ireland is another they trot out when we've had, and still have, the CTA agreement which was around long before Schengen which neither Ireland or the UK is a part of anyway. And the good Friday agreement had nothing to do with the EU either.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 20 Oct 17 1.47pm |
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He is p*****g in the wind. The EU Japan and everyone else have one thing in common. They are not responsible for the UK's debts. The UK is.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 20 Oct 17 2.25pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
So you want us to pay for our responsibilities but it's weakness if we do. Sounds like the difficulty in understanding what women wanted yesterday then today. No there are no responsibilities in fact they can go and 'whistle for it'. Short memories.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 20 Oct 17 2.53pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
You and others are. By default anyone who doesn't believe in nations and automatically thinks all nationalism is bad is by definition anti British. Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Oct 2017 12.59pm) I find that very insulting. Slovenia Dave was right. How f***ing dare you call me anti British. Edited by nickgusset (20 Oct 2017 2.59pm)
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| CambridgeEagle Sydenham 20 Oct 17 3.22pm |
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Originally posted by Stuk
How much are they paying us for the greater number of them that will be living in the UK then? All of their arguments are nonsense. Ireland is another they trot out when we've had, and still have, the CTA agreement which was around long before Schengen which neither Ireland or the UK is a part of anyway. And the good Friday agreement had nothing to do with the EU either. In fairness a greater proportion of Brits live in the EU27 than EU27 citizens that live in the UK, i.e a UK citizen is more likely to be an immigrant in the EU than an EU citizen is in the UK. The Good Friday Agreement includes an agreement between the UK and Ireland (an EU country).
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| Lyons550 Shirley 20 Oct 17 3.24pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
So you want us to pay for our responsibilities but it's weakness if we do. Sounds like the difficulty in understanding what women wanted yesterday then today. He does seem more than a little confused...doesnt he lol
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| Stirlingsays 20 Oct 17 3.25pm |
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Originally posted by Mr_Gristle
I would have thought that believing that all nationalism is bad would make one anti-nationalist. By default, anyone who distils this stuff to such fundamental bollox is, by definition, anti-intellectual. Anti-nationalist is by implication anti-British as it is anti the idea of nationhood. It's not rocket science. Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Oct 2017 3.26pm)
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| CambridgeEagle Sydenham 20 Oct 17 3.28pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
So you want us to pay for our responsibilities but it's weakness if we do. Sounds like the difficulty in understanding what women wanted yesterday then today. What do you mean by that?
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| Stuk Top half 20 Oct 17 3.32pm |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
In fairness a greater proportion of Brits live in the EU27 than EU27 citizens that live in the UK, i.e a UK citizen is more likely to be an immigrant in the EU than an EU citizen is in the UK. The Good Friday Agreement includes an agreement between the UK and Ireland (an EU country). Absolute nonsense, there are more 3 times as many citizens from other EU countries in the UK, than UK citizens in other EU countries. And only one country out of the 27 has more Brits there than is reciprocated. Spain. The Good Friday agreement is nothing to do with the EU, and nothing in it will change. A total non-argument.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 20 Oct 17 3.34pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Anti-nationalist is by implication anti-British as it is anti the idea of nationhood. It's not rocket science. Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Oct 2017 3.26pm) What about patriotism. I could say you are unpatriotic because you support the s*** show that is Brexit. It will cost our wonderful country dearly. You are deliberately making our country worse.
Edited by nickgusset (20 Oct 2017 3.34pm)
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| crystal balls The Garden of Earthly Delights 20 Oct 17 3.36pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
We are getting out at a good time. THe EU is going to s***. It was the right decision and you will see that in the coming years. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (20 Oct 2017 11.39am) I was at a seminar yesterday where a leading economist at Cazenove said exactly the opposite; it's an awful time to be leaving the EU from an economic perspective as the European economies are growing while the UK is in for some tough times ahead, in or out of the EU. He said this will continue for the next 18 months at least, possibly longer. Leaving the EU in 18 months will only make things much worse for the UK, especially with no trade deal.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 20 Oct 17 3.42pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Anti-nationalist is by implication anti-British as it is anti the idea of nationhood. It's not rocket science. Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Oct 2017 3.26pm) Not necessarily, a lot of nationalist politics is unreasoned and absurd bollocks and oratory used to deflect away from real issues in the UK as absurdly unpragmatic - politics of all kinds, left right, up or down, that's only rationality is based in idealism is asking for trouble. Nationalism is ok, like anything else, when its basis is in reasoned argument.
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