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 steeleye20  Croydon 18 Dec 16 11.12am |
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Originally posted by chris123
None - they will become irrelevant post Brexit as independence would mean being out of the EU and out of the UK. Thats how we view Scotland and why if I were a Scot I would want to be independent.
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| Hoof Hearted 18 Dec 16 11.20am | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
H you are ridiculous freedom of movement is a condition of membership of the EU. Turkey is not a member of the EU the mantra you give applies to EU member states. I was responding to your assertion that France had blocked Turkey from joining the EU (or at least that appeared to be what you were saying?). The mantra works in France's favour now, but Turkey joining would upset that cosy situation and they might feel threatened by being over-run by rampant immigration and all that brings with it.... housing shortage, job losses etc.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 18 Dec 16 11.21am |
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Originally posted by JohnyBoy
1.96billion - Truly 'eye-watering' figures as a chancellor would say. Too right I remember that period in 1976 well the IMF imposing strict conditions for any more borrowing.
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| Hoof Hearted 18 Dec 16 11.28am | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Thats how we view Scotland and why if I were a Scot I would want to be independent. Most Scots want to be independent, but the clever ones know what a good deal they get from being a part of UK. They represent just 7% of the UK population. The Barnett formula means they get more "benefits" per head than English people do. Besides, economically they would not be able to sustain their standard of living they enjoy now if they had to rely on themselves to generate the income they need to survive. Oil prices low, the threat of the Royal Navy moving their HQ to Portsmouth/Plymouth rather than Faslane on the Clyde. Sturgeon/Salmond are just opportunists looking out for themselves... they couldn't give a fcuk about the welfare of the Scottish people.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 18 Dec 16 11.31am |
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Originally posted by Hoof Hearted
Most Scots want to be independent, but the clever ones know what a good deal they get from being a part of UK. They represent just 7% of the UK population. The Barnett formula means they get more "benefits" per head than English people do. Besides, economically they would not be able to sustain their standard of living they enjoy now if they had to rely on themselves to generate the income they need to survive. Oil prices low, the threat of the Royal Navy moving their HQ to Portsmouth/Plymouth rather than Faslane on the Clyde. Sturgeon/Salmond are just opportunists looking out for themselves... they couldn't give a fcuk about the welfare of the Scottish people. Do you think Farage does?
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| steeleye20 Croydon 18 Dec 16 11.32am |
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Originally posted by Hoof Hearted
I was responding to your assertion that France had blocked Turkey from joining the EU (or at least that appeared to be what you were saying?). The mantra works in France's favour now, but Turkey joining would upset that cosy situation and they might feel threatened by being over-run by rampant immigration and all that brings with it.... housing shortage, job losses etc. Exactly the reasons why Turkey cannot enter the EU - the EU doesn't want them for that very reason.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 18 Dec 16 11.42am |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Do you think Farage does? I don't know how they can possibly stand being ruled by tory south east england - in a stand-off between some financial security and freedom what will they finally choose?
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tome  Inner Tantalus Time. 18 Dec 16 11.53am |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
It was an observation on the type, Michael. The voice of the privileged left telling people how to vote in the EU Refrendum and the US Elections went down well, didn't it? The majority didn't listen to the likes of Jay Z, Bob Geldof or Ewen McGregor tells them what to do. Why would it be any different with Michael Sheen? It just alienates voters and leaves them polarised from the majority. If you think I am self righteous, I don't care. That is just a smear of your own, in an attempt to pick a fight. Edited by matt_himself (17 Dec 2016 9.59pm) It's hard to take seriously your apparent determination for people to be listened to when you are so quick to assign people to a 'type'. The common vernacular of right v left is pretty unhelpful I think, and it seems to be clouding your judgement. You say you want to leave the EU, even if the consequences don't bring what you hoped for. Why is that? What's the point, then?
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| tome Inner Tantalus Time. 18 Dec 16 11.55am |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Exactly the reasons why Turkey cannot enter the EU - the EU doesn't want them for that very reason. I think the Turks will have plenty of other things to sort out beefore that becomes a factor.
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| matt_himself Matataland 18 Dec 16 12.58pm |
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Originally posted by tome
It's hard to take seriously your apparent determination for people to be listened to when you are so quick to assign people to a 'type'. The common vernacular of right v left is pretty unhelpful I think, and it seems to be clouding your judgement. You say you want to leave the EU, even if the consequences don't bring what you hoped for. Why is that? What's the point, then? Time, it's a convenient point of reference and you know that. We are no all blessed with the apparent academic and time blessings you have to refer to a point or argument in a manner that suits your perfect view of 'debate'. Maybe if you stuck to he point, in this case that people are clearly sick of being preached too by privileged celebrities, rather than arguing, or trying to start an argument over semantics, then we all might benefit. With regards to your second point, which is 'whataboutery' of the highest order, what's the point of anything?
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| .TUX. 18 Dec 16 3.27pm |
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Totally agree but how much of the deficit could also be brought down substantially if Treasury truly tackled those companies and individuals who continue to enjoy tax avoidance and evasion schemes? HMRC is due to lose a further 21,000 staff in 'cost efficiency savings' by 2021. @Sportyteacher. It'll never happen, but if actions of this kind were to ever take place then the best place to start would be at the top, the central banks (along with the rest of the financial institutions). As 'Johnyboy' stated earlier, our economy (for decades) is screwed and far more attention should be paid to the real reasons for it being in such a state.
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| chris123 hove actually 19 Dec 16 2.29pm |
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Originally posted by Hoof Hearted
Most Scots want to be independent, but the clever ones know what a good deal they get from being a part of UK. They represent just 7% of the UK population. The Barnett formula means they get more "benefits" per head than English people do. Besides, economically they would not be able to sustain their standard of living they enjoy now if they had to rely on themselves to generate the income they need to survive. Oil prices low, the threat of the Royal Navy moving their HQ to Portsmouth/Plymouth rather than Faslane on the Clyde. Sturgeon/Salmond are just opportunists looking out for themselves... they couldn't give a fcuk about the welfare of the Scottish people. Well not according to the referendum. The oil price has since halved, the SNP is losing support, and a Yougov poll last month had less than the 45% who voted in favour last time, still wanting independence.
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