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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 20 Oct 17 4.50pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman You obviously understand when a woman says she doesn't want something but does and vice versa then. Steeleye supports us paying our way and following their demands but if or when we do we're weak. No I don't understand that. If anyone, irrespective of gender, says they don't want something I wouldn't assume that they did want it and use that as a justification for my actions. If you're saying what I think you're saying you're a disgusting pig and a waste of flesh and bone.

CambridgeEagle

Sydenham 20 Oct 17 4.50pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

You obviously understand when a woman says she doesn't want something but does and vice versa then.

Steeleye supports us paying our way and following their demands but if or when we do we're weak.

No I don't understand that. If anyone, irrespective of gender, says they don't want something I wouldn't assume that they did want it and use that as a justification for my actions.

If you're saying what I think you're saying you're a disgusting pig and a waste of flesh and bone.

Kermit8 Hevon 20 Oct 17 4.53pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Kermy the patriot. Still wrong about most things but hey....it's a free country...at the moment anyway. Yep. Pro all things beneficial to Britain and always wanting to go down the road that is the best option for it. I care about my country. What's your excuse for not wanting the same? Are you anti-British or something? Big chest and massive boobs [Link]

Kermit8

Hevon 20 Oct 17 4.53pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Kermy the patriot.

Still wrong about most things but hey....it's a free country...at the moment anyway.

Yep. Pro all things beneficial to Britain and always wanting to go down the road that is the best option for it. I care about my country.

What's your excuse for not wanting the same? Are you anti-British or something?

Big chest and massive boobs

[Link]

CambridgeEagle Sydenham 20 Oct 17 4.56pm
Originally posted by Lyons550 Cleary one swallow doesnt make a summer...but "Britain saw its smallest budget deficit for any September in the last 10 years, according to official figures. Last month's deficit stood at £5.902bn, down almost 11% compared with the same month last year, the Office for National Statistics (ONS) said. With many economists having forecast a deficit of about £6.5bn, the news will be a boost for Chancellor Philip Hammond ahead of next month's Budget. The deficit for August was also revised down by about £1bn to £4.716bn September's figures marked the third straight month in which UK public finances were better than analysts had forecast." [Link] Biggest economic news is the downgrading in productivity forecasts and the admission that OBR has been over optimistic on that forecast for 7 years. Our productivity is a big problem. It's also a big problem that the economy is built on consumer credit and we have a buy now default later timebomb (again) waiting to go off. Not sure what happened to Dave and Georgie's fix the roof while the sun's shining mantra.

CambridgeEagle

Sydenham 20 Oct 17 4.56pm

Originally posted by Lyons550

Cleary one swallow doesnt make a summer...but

"Britain saw its smallest budget deficit for any September in the last 10 years, according to official figures.
Last month's deficit stood at £5.902bn, down almost 11% compared with the same month last year, the Office for National Statistics (ONS) said.
With many economists having forecast a deficit of about £6.5bn, the news will be a boost for Chancellor Philip Hammond ahead of next month's Budget.
The deficit for August was also revised down by about £1bn to £4.716bn
September's figures marked the third straight month in which UK public finances were better than analysts had forecast."

[Link]

Biggest economic news is the downgrading in productivity forecasts and the admission that OBR has been over optimistic on that forecast for 7 years. Our productivity is a big problem.

It's also a big problem that the economy is built on consumer credit and we have a buy now default later timebomb (again) waiting to go off.

Not sure what happened to Dave and Georgie's fix the roof while the sun's shining mantra.

Rudi Hedman Caterham 20 Oct 17 4.57pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 I like the idea that British civilians haven't had to have been conscripted to go off and fight any wars in Europe for the last 72 years. I also like it that us British have much cleaner rivers and seas now thanks to EU directives. It's great too that British people can travel freely around most of Europe without much hassle. And it's effin' wonderful that British people get roughly £4 or £5 back in cheaper food bills, etc, for every £1 they put into the EU coffers because of lower costs involved by being a member. Then there are the three million British jobs themselves connected to that EU trade. It's fantastic that so many working British people benefit. Here's to Great Britain! And thanks to Europe for helping with all the above. Apologies for the ungrateful gainsayers here. Thank NATO and the UN. Hopefully we can continue to keep our country's waters cleaner now they are. You will still be able to travel freely in Europe and stay anywhere for probably 3 months. Longer if you have a job or capital, which sounds reasonable. Eat porridge instead of coco pops. Cut down on sugary sweets and ready made meals. Cook more, eat less local fried junk. Thinking about how to shop often means a healthier shop. I saw a Leeds school open up school holiday canteen making use of out of date supermarket products which is a great idea. Sure some need help struggling but what I also noticed was the ridiculous estimate to feed a child during the holidays. Where do they eat these days, Cafe Rouge? And no exaggerating on the hefty mother claiming there were no jobs with tattoos covering her neck and sleeves with about a dozen piercings in her face. And by now at least Chuka Ummuna should realise that 3 million jobs may be connected to the eu but 3 million are not at risk. The kind of bs that tipped people into voting leave. And here's to Great Britain and EUROPE and our future together, with us outside of the EU. We're leaving the EU, not Europe or the channel or North Sea, as much as some days I'd like to for security reasons. Edited by Rudi Hedman (20 Oct 2017 5.02pm) COYP

Rudi Hedman

Caterham 20 Oct 17 4.57pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

I like the idea that British civilians haven't had to have been conscripted to go off and fight any wars in Europe for the last 72 years.

I also like it that us British have much cleaner rivers and seas now thanks to EU directives. It's great too that British people can travel freely around most of Europe without much hassle.

And it's effin' wonderful that British people get roughly £4 or £5 back in cheaper food bills, etc, for every £1 they put into the EU coffers because of lower costs involved by being a member.

Then there are the three million British jobs themselves connected to that EU trade. It's fantastic that so many working British people benefit.

Here's to Great Britain!

And thanks to Europe for helping with all the above.

Apologies for the ungrateful gainsayers here.

Thank NATO and the UN.

Hopefully we can continue to keep our country's waters cleaner now they are.

You will still be able to travel freely in Europe and stay anywhere for probably 3 months. Longer if you have a job or capital, which sounds reasonable.

Eat porridge instead of coco pops. Cut down on sugary sweets and ready made meals. Cook more, eat less local fried junk. Thinking about how to shop often means a healthier shop. I saw a Leeds school open up school holiday canteen making use of out of date supermarket products which is a great idea. Sure some need help struggling but what I also noticed was the ridiculous estimate to feed a child during the holidays. Where do they eat these days, Cafe Rouge? And no exaggerating on the hefty mother claiming there were no jobs with tattoos covering her neck and sleeves with about a dozen piercings in her face.

And by now at least Chuka Ummuna should realise that 3 million jobs may be connected to the eu but 3 million are not at risk. The kind of bs that tipped people into voting leave.

And here's to Great Britain and EUROPE and our future together, with us outside of the EU. We're leaving the EU, not Europe or the channel or North Sea, as much as some days I'd like to for security reasons.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (20 Oct 2017 5.02pm)

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Lyons550 Shirley 20 Oct 17 4.59pm
Originally posted by CambridgeEagle How is it nonsense? As a proportion of British citizens more are living in the EU27 than the proportion of EU27 citizens living in the UK. It's a fact not an opinion. The GFA is guaranteed by an EU nation. I've not said anything will change, I defer to experts. I'm sure your expert legal opinion on it is all the UK and Irish governments need to satisfy themselves that future border arrangements will continue to uphold every element of that agreement. You're being a cheeky scamp there on purpose...if you're using proportions than it would also be wise to do so with Sq footage of the areas....20% of UK citizens in 27 EU countries would have a far lesser effect than 10% of EU citizens on our island.. The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World

Lyons550

Shirley 20 Oct 17 4.59pm

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

How is it nonsense? As a proportion of British citizens more are living in the EU27 than the proportion of EU27 citizens living in the UK.

It's a fact not an opinion.

The GFA is guaranteed by an EU nation. I've not said anything will change, I defer to experts. I'm sure your expert legal opinion on it is all the UK and Irish governments need to satisfy themselves that future border arrangements will continue to uphold every element of that agreement.

You're being a cheeky scamp there on purpose...if you're using proportions than it would also be wise to do so with Sq footage of the areas....20% of UK citizens in 27 EU countries would have a far lesser effect than 10% of EU citizens on our island..

The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World

Rudi Hedman Caterham 20 Oct 17 4.59pm
Originally posted by CambridgeEagle No I don't understand that. If anyone, irrespective of gender, says they don't want something I wouldn't assume that they did want it and use that as a justification for my actions. If you're saying what I think you're saying you're a disgusting pig and a waste of flesh and bone. What? Took me a minute realise what you're referring to and then I realised. I'm talking about 'oh don't want to go out or go there', not no means no. Bl00dy hell. Been a liquid Friday all round. COYP

Rudi Hedman

Caterham 20 Oct 17 4.59pm

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

No I don't understand that. If anyone, irrespective of gender, says they don't want something I wouldn't assume that they did want it and use that as a justification for my actions.

If you're saying what I think you're saying you're a disgusting pig and a waste of flesh and bone.

What? Took me a minute realise what you're referring to and then I realised. I'm talking about 'oh don't want to go out or go there', not no means no.

Bl00dy hell. Been a liquid Friday all round.

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Lyons550 Shirley 20 Oct 17 5.00pm
Originally posted by CambridgeEagle Biggest economic news is the downgrading in productivity forecasts and the admission that OBR has been over optimistic on that forecast for 7 years. Our productivity is a big problem. It's also a big problem that the economy is built on consumer credit and we have a buy now default later timebomb (again) waiting to go off. Not sure what happened to Dave and Georgie's fix the roof while the sun's shining mantra. From what I've read over the past few months forecasts are next to fecking useless as they're almost always wrong... The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World

Lyons550

Shirley 20 Oct 17 5.00pm

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

Biggest economic news is the downgrading in productivity forecasts and the admission that OBR has been over optimistic on that forecast for 7 years. Our productivity is a big problem.

It's also a big problem that the economy is built on consumer credit and we have a buy now default later timebomb (again) waiting to go off.

Not sure what happened to Dave and Georgie's fix the roof while the sun's shining mantra.

From what I've read over the past few months forecasts are next to fecking useless as they're almost always wrong...

The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World

Stirlingsays 20 Oct 17 5.01pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 Yep. Pro all things beneficial to Britain and always wanting to go down the road that is the best option for it. I care about my country. What's your excuse for not wanting the same? Are you anti-British or something? I'm glad you care....you have boys growing up here same as me....they are in the same boat. Yep, I'm anti British....didn't you know...got a safety pin through my nose and tattoo of Kim Jong-un on my arse. Capitalism is for fools....get your Corbyn groove on boy! 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

20 Oct 17 5.01pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

Yep. Pro all things beneficial to Britain and always wanting to go down the road that is the best option for it. I care about my country.

What's your excuse for not wanting the same? Are you anti-British or something?

I'm glad you care....you have boys growing up here same as me....they are in the same boat.

Yep, I'm anti British....didn't you know...got a safety pin through my nose and tattoo of Kim Jong-un on my arse.

Capitalism is for fools....get your Corbyn groove on boy!

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

CambridgeEagle Sydenham 20 Oct 17 5.04pm
Originally posted by Lyons550 You're being a cheeky scamp there on purpose...if you're using proportions than it would also be wise to do so with Sq footage of the areas....20% of UK citizens in 27 EU countries would have a far lesser effect than 10% of EU citizens on our island.. Land space isn't the only factor than determines impact though. What's true is that proportionally more UK citizens live in the EU than vice versa. What's also true is that a higher proportion of EU citizens in the UK are in work and net contributors and a much higher proportion of Brits in the EU are retired and make greater use of public services (e.g. healthcare).

CambridgeEagle

Sydenham 20 Oct 17 5.04pm

Originally posted by Lyons550

Land space isn't the only factor than determines impact though. What's true is that proportionally more UK citizens live in the EU than vice versa. What's also true is that a higher proportion of EU citizens in the UK are in work and net contributors and a much higher proportion of Brits in the EU are retired and make greater use of public services (e.g. healthcare).

Rudi Hedman Caterham 20 Oct 17 5.12pm
Mr Kim has given up on the nuclear powered Communist rule and now sells fish and chips near Wolverhampton. Attachment: IMG_0084.PNG (1,100.13Kb) COYP

Rudi Hedman

Caterham 20 Oct 17 5.12pm

Mr Kim has given up on the nuclear powered Communist rule and now sells fish and chips near Wolverhampton.

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Stuk Top half 20 Oct 17 5.14pm
Originally posted by CambridgeEagle How is it nonsense? As a proportion of British citizens more are living in the EU27 than the proportion of EU27 citizens living in the UK. It's a fact not an opinion. The GFA is guaranteed by an EU nation. I've not said anything will change, I defer to experts. I'm sure your expert legal opinion on it is all the UK and Irish governments need to satisfy themselves that future border arrangements will continue to uphold every element of that agreement. Apologies as I missed that you said "proportion" but that's a ridiculous way to look at it. Every single EU country has more of their citizens living here, than we do there, bar Spain. If they want €20bn to cover the future cost or ours (as JM put it), they should pay us €60bn to cover the future costs of theirs. As simple as that. Proportionally they'd only be paying €2.22bn each if you can only work things that way. The GFA is between two EU nations at present, but it's still a complete non-argument. Optimistic as ever

Stuk

Top half 20 Oct 17 5.14pm

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

How is it nonsense? As a proportion of British citizens more are living in the EU27 than the proportion of EU27 citizens living in the UK.

It's a fact not an opinion.

Apologies as I missed that you said "proportion" but that's a ridiculous way to look at it. Every single EU country has more of their citizens living here, than we do there, bar Spain. If they want €20bn to cover the future cost or ours (as JM put it), they should pay us €60bn to cover the future costs of theirs. As simple as that. Proportionally they'd only be paying €2.22bn each if you can only work things that way.

The GFA is between two EU nations at present, but it's still a complete non-argument.

Optimistic as ever

Lyons550 Shirley 20 Oct 17 5.14pm
Originally posted by CambridgeEagle Land space isn't the only factor than determines impact though. What's true is that proportionally more UK citizens live in the EU than vice versa. What's also true is that a higher proportion of EU citizens in the UK are in work and net contributors and a much higher proportion of Brits in the EU are retired and make greater use of public services (e.g. healthcare). i agree..there are many factors...so lets just place things in the proper context when throwing spurious stats around to try and win an argument shall we... The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World

Lyons550

Shirley 20 Oct 17 5.14pm

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

i agree..there are many factors...so lets just place things in the proper context when throwing spurious stats around to try and win an argument shall we...

The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World

Lyons550 Shirley 20 Oct 17 5.16pm
Originally posted by Stuk Apologies as I missed that you said "proportion" but that's a ridiculous way to look at it. Every single EU country has more of their citizens living here, than we do there, bar Spain. If they want €20bn to cover the future cost or ours (as JM put it), they should pay us €60bn to cover the future costs of theirs. As simple as that. Proportionally they'd only be paying €2.22bn each if you can only work things that way. The GFA is between two EU nations at present, but it's still a complete non-argument. Surely the sensible answer to that is offset one on one and pay for the remainder only ? The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World

Lyons550

Shirley 20 Oct 17 5.16pm

Originally posted by Stuk

The GFA is between two EU nations at present, but it's still a complete non-argument.

Surely the sensible answer to that is offset one on one and pay for the remainder only ?

The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World

Kermit8 Hevon 20 Oct 17 5.19pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I'm glad you care....you have boys growing up here same as me....they are in the same boat. Yep, I'm anti British....didn't you know...got a safety pin through my nose and tattoo of Kim Jong-un on my arse. Capitalism is for fools....get your Corbyn groove on boy! I have you down as someone who is more pro-Stirling ideology and intransigent than Pro-British to be totally honest. As in you would fight more for your beliefs than what was actually best for the country. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]

Kermit8

Hevon 20 Oct 17 5.19pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I'm glad you care....you have boys growing up here same as me....they are in the same boat.

Yep, I'm anti British....didn't you know...got a safety pin through my nose and tattoo of Kim Jong-un on my arse.

Capitalism is for fools....get your Corbyn groove on boy!

I have you down as someone who is more pro-Stirling ideology and intransigent than Pro-British to be totally honest.

As in you would fight more for your beliefs than what was actually best for the country.

Big chest and massive boobs

[Link]

Stirlingsays 20 Oct 17 5.22pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 I have you down as someone who is more pro-Stirling ideology and intransigent than Pro-British to be totally honest. As in you would fight more for your beliefs than what was actually best for the country. Pro-Stirling ideology? Who decides 'what's best for the country'? I would fight for my country (though I'm long in the tooth now). I'm never going to fight against my country. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

20 Oct 17 5.22pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

I have you down as someone who is more pro-Stirling ideology and intransigent than Pro-British to be totally honest.

As in you would fight more for your beliefs than what was actually best for the country.

Pro-Stirling ideology?

Who decides 'what's best for the country'? I would fight for my country (though I'm long in the tooth now). I'm never going to fight against my country.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Kermit8 Hevon 20 Oct 17 5.32pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Pro-Stirling ideology? Who decides 'what's best for the country'? I would fight for my country (though I'm long in the tooth now). I'm never going to fight against my country. Neither would I but if the state ever turned against the people violently, militarily and dictatorially and into a police state then that would be a different story. The state is not the country. The Germans who fought Hitler were widely condemned as traitors. They were, of course, the very opposite. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]

Kermit8

Hevon 20 Oct 17 5.32pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Pro-Stirling ideology?

Who decides 'what's best for the country'? I would fight for my country (though I'm long in the tooth now). I'm never going to fight against my country.

Neither would I but if the state ever turned against the people violently, militarily and dictatorially and into a police state then that would be a different story. The state is not the country.

The Germans who fought Hitler were widely condemned as traitors. They were, of course, the very opposite.

Big chest and massive boobs

[Link]

Stirlingsays 20 Oct 17 6.00pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 Neither would I but if the state ever turned against the people violently, militarily and dictatorially and into a police state then that would be a different story. The state is not the country. The Germans who fought Hitler were widely condemned as traitors. They were, of course, the very opposite. So are you saying that those who fought in the German army were traitors? Because that's not so. If the state is democratically elected then they 'represent' the country at that time under those policies. Individual actions or policies are individual actions or policies.....they are a bit different. We really don't want to get into 'my country: right or wrong' on the EU thread. Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Oct 2017 6.01pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

20 Oct 17 6.00pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

Neither would I but if the state ever turned against the people violently, militarily and dictatorially and into a police state then that would be a different story. The state is not the country.

The Germans who fought Hitler were widely condemned as traitors. They were, of course, the very opposite.

So are you saying that those who fought in the German army were traitors? Because that's not so.

If the state is democratically elected then they 'represent' the country at that time under those policies. Individual actions or policies are individual actions or policies.....they are a bit different.

We really don't want to get into 'my country: right or wrong' on the EU thread.

Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Oct 2017 6.01pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

hedgehog50 Croydon 20 Oct 17 6.01pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 Neither would I but if the state ever turned against the people violently, militarily and dictatorially and into a police state then that would be a different story. The state is not the country. The Germans who fought Hitler were widely condemned as traitors. They were, of course, the very opposite. We'll all have to take sides when the civil war breaks out. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

hedgehog50

Croydon 20 Oct 17 6.01pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

Neither would I but if the state ever turned against the people violently, militarily and dictatorially and into a police state then that would be a different story. The state is not the country.

The Germans who fought Hitler were widely condemned as traitors. They were, of course, the very opposite.

We'll all have to take sides when the civil war breaks out.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

steeleye20 Croydon 20 Oct 17 6.16pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 We'll all have to take sides when the civil war breaks out. I think I would be a cavalier in that case as I like the clothes. In your case though roundhead or 'knobhead' woud be more appropriate.

steeleye20

Croydon 20 Oct 17 6.16pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

We'll all have to take sides when the civil war breaks out.

I think I would be a cavalier in that case as I like the clothes.

In your case though roundhead or 'knobhead' woud be more appropriate.

hedgehog50 Croydon 20 Oct 17 6.36pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 I think I would be a cavalier in that case as I like the clothes. In your case though roundhead or 'knobhead' woud be more appropriate. Do you know much, or anything other than 'cavaliers' & 'roundheads' about the English Civil War? (Their dress was quite similar by the way.) We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

hedgehog50

Croydon 20 Oct 17 6.36pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

I think I would be a cavalier in that case as I like the clothes.

In your case though roundhead or 'knobhead' woud be more appropriate.

Do you know much, or anything other than 'cavaliers' & 'roundheads' about the English Civil War? (Their dress was quite similar by the way.)

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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