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johnfirewall 14 Apr 16 2.31pm | |
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It's OK though British Muslims have moved faster than the Conservative Party or the Church on social issues such as gay rights, a former Tory chairman said yesterday.
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djkfeirufgdfg Croydon 14 Apr 16 2.40pm | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
We've had people from far right groups in the UK arrested for bombings, possession of explosives and engaged in acts of violence aimed at people. Groups like Combat 18, the National Front etc all have quite a bit of prior in this area. Even on the far left, we've had the Angry Brigade, Class War. Then you also have the Animal Liberation Front. I think there was also a campaign of letter bombs aimed at the DVLC over speed cameras. Then of course you do have sectarian Catholic / Protestant groups, and of course the Northern Irelands assorted paramilitaries. Definitely a white working class problem. I don't think the problem of terrorism and violence is specifically a Muslim thing. Right now, its the main one, granted, but there has kind of been a 'war on Muslims' for the last 15 years or so. Can we draw up a list of arrests and convictions for terrorism of the non-muslim groups that you mention and compare it with a list of arrests and convictions of islamic terrorists. Presumably the former will be a much higher number as muslims are a relatively small percentage of the total population.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 14 Apr 16 3.39pm | |
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Originally posted by djkfeirufgdfg
Can we draw up a list of arrests and convictions for terrorism of the non-muslim groups that you mention and compare it with a list of arrests and convictions of islamic terrorists. Presumably the former will be a much higher number as muslims are a relatively small percentage of the total population. Clearly you've never been to Glasgow and Belfast Islam doesn't have patch on sectarian religious violence, it doesn't even have its own f**king football team. I don't really care what their 'justification' is, anyone who believes that hurting or intimidating people on the basis of some absurd arbitrary reason such as religion, race, gender, sexual orientation etc is a f**king c**t who society is better off without. That includes people who batter their wives and kids They're all terrorists in my book.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 14 Apr 16 3.48pm | |
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Originally posted by johnfirewall
It's OK though British Muslims have moved faster than the Conservative Party or the Church on social issues such as gay rights, a former Tory chairman said yesterday. In fairness, they did move very slowly in the UK, and people have only been worried about what Muslims might think since about 2005. I remember when gay marriage was being campaigned against, that it was very much a 'muslim cause' and absolutely none of the Christian groups in society were against it, or throwing their weight around. Among the few Muslims I know, issues about being gay don't really come up, and the consensus seems to be its that persons business, not theirs. But then they're reasonable and intelligent people.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 14 Apr 16 3.49pm | |
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Originally posted by djkfeirufgdfg
Can we draw up a list of arrests and convictions for terrorism of the non-muslim groups that you mention and compare it with a list of arrests and convictions of islamic terrorists. Presumably the former will be a much higher number as muslims are a relatively small percentage of the total population. So some forms of terrorism and murder are more acceptable than others. Good to know.
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djkfeirufgdfg Croydon 14 Apr 16 4.28pm | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
So some forms of terrorism and murder are more acceptable than others. Good to know. Did I say that, or even imply it? Would just like to compare say the number of arrests and convictions for terrorist offences of say Combat 18 to those for islamic extremist groups. Has Combat 18 blown up tube trains for instance, or hacked a soldier to death in the street while shouting 'Hitler is great'?
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Hrolf The Ganger 14 Apr 16 6.21pm | |
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Originally posted by djkfeirufgdfg
Did I say that, or even imply it? Would just like to compare say the number of arrests and convictions for terrorist offences of say Combat 18 to those for islamic extremist groups. Has Combat 18 blown up tube trains for instance, or hacked a soldier to death in the street while shouting 'Hitler is great'? The bottom line is keeping people safe. This is not about Muslim bashing. We need to be honest about the current situation but let's not forget that these atrocities have been carried out by a handful of people.
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Kermit8 Hevon 14 Apr 16 7.11pm | |
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Originally posted by djkfeirufgdfg
Did I say that, or even imply it? Would just like to compare say the number of arrests and convictions for terrorist offences of say Combat 18 to those for islamic extremist groups. Has Combat 18 blown up tube trains for instance, or hacked a soldier to death in the street while shouting 'Hitler is great'? Combat 18 have had open affiliations with and sympathy for groups who indulged in terror and who have committed crimes of a similar nature as those you mention and more numerous over the years. Those groups would have had many more arrested here in the UK over the years than that of extremists who use Islam as a pretext for their death cult.
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matt_himself Matataland 14 Apr 16 8.03pm | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Combat 18 have had open affiliations with and sympathy for groups who indulged in terror and who have committed crimes of a similar nature as those you mention and more numerous over the years. Those groups would have had many more arrested here in the UK over the years than that of extremists who use Islam as a pretext for their death cult. I would be very interested to see if you can back that up with facts, Michael. Not because I agree with Combat 18. Far from it, people like myself who are in multi racial relationships are viewed as scum by them and I reciprocate that view. However, you continue to post 'facts' with no back up and that undermines your argument.
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Kermit8 Hevon 14 Apr 16 8.26pm | |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
I would be very interested to see if you can back that up with facts, Michael. Not because I agree with Combat 18. Far from it, people like myself who are in multi racial relationships are viewed as scum by them and I reciprocate that view. However, you continue to post 'facts' with no back up and that undermines your argument. Have a read up of the evolution of extreme right-wing politics at Stamford Bridge from the 70's all the way up to the late 90's and the connection with C18 and its NI allegiances and visits. It's very interesting. All the facts you need will be in the latter years.
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matt_himself Matataland 14 Apr 16 8.42pm | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Have a read up of the evolution of extreme right-wing politics at Stamford Bridge from the 70's all the way up to the late 90's and the connection with C18 and its NI allegiances and visits. It's very interesting. All the facts you need will be in the latter years. Please provide proof of this. A link or links will suffice. It can't be difficult if you have researched the issue in the manner you claim to have. Edited by matt_himself (14 Apr 2016 8.42pm)
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leifandersonshair Newport 14 Apr 16 9.55pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Wonderful balance. Well done. One small detail though. I don't think Alf Garnett ever declared a Jihad, joined an illegal terrorist organisation, persuaded anyone to detonate a suicide vest or cut anyone's head off. Am I nitpicking? Yes, a little. Clearly, you have little interest in a more balanced view. My point is, I have no doubt that, amongst the white, British working class, you will find a significant minority who happily believe all Muslims should be killed or locked up in camps, along with the poofs. The EDL, for example. But a series on this isn't as eye (and headline) catching. Oh, and Garnett being a West Ham supporter? Horrific. I'm pretty sure that's the REAL reason you never see the series reruns nowadays
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