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PatrickA London 18 Jul 20 12.32pm
He's the manager and I'm unaware of rules precluding him from changing the corner taker, or indeed on varying corner routines. The absolving of any responsibility on the part of Hodgson is baffling.

PatrickA

London 18 Jul 20 12.32pm

He's the manager and I'm unaware of rules precluding him from changing the corner taker, or indeed on varying corner routines.
The absolving of any responsibility on the part of Hodgson is baffling.

Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 18 Jul 20 12.42pm
Originally posted by PatrickA To excuse Hodgson for our poor set pieces and tactics is patently absurd. He's kept Luka on corner duty for the majority of the time in the last couple of seasons and the delivery and movement of the players are rarely varied. We pose a non-existent threat from set pieces which is inexcusable for a squad containing Dann, Benteke, Cahill, Kouyate and Tomkins. Obviously Hodgson doesn't take the set pieces any more than managers of other teams than manage to score from them somehow. One goal from around 180 corners this season says it all. If people want to defend Hodgson from even the mildest criticism that is their prerogative, but the evidence that is being witnessed on the field speaks for itself. I appreciate that we have only scored 1 goal from a corner this season but Leicester and Man Utd who are high in the table have only scored 3 goals each from corners this campaign.

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 18 Jul 20 12.42pm

Originally posted by PatrickA

To excuse Hodgson for our poor set pieces and tactics is patently absurd.
He's kept Luka on corner duty for the majority of the time in the last couple of seasons and the delivery and movement of the players are rarely varied.
We pose a non-existent threat from set pieces which is inexcusable for a squad containing Dann, Benteke, Cahill, Kouyate and Tomkins.
Obviously Hodgson doesn't take the set pieces any more than managers of other teams than manage to score from them somehow.
One goal from around 180 corners this season says it all.
If people want to defend Hodgson from even the mildest criticism that is their prerogative, but the evidence that is being witnessed on the field speaks for itself.

I appreciate that we have only scored 1 goal from a corner this season but Leicester and Man Utd who are high in the table have only scored 3 goals each from corners this campaign.

Eaglecoops CR3 18 Jul 20 12.46pm
Originally posted by SwordFish Milivojević , failing to clear the first man from a corner almost 80% of the time is not hodgsons fault, When it does finally clear the first man it’s too long and high, again this isn’t hodgsons fault. Yes it is Hodgson’s fault because he tells him to take the corners. Do you not recall when Milivojevic was out of the side how our corner delivery improved.

Eaglecoops

CR3 18 Jul 20 12.46pm

Originally posted by SwordFish

Milivojević , failing to clear the first man from a corner almost 80% of the time is not hodgsons fault, When it does finally clear the first man it’s too long and high, again this isn’t hodgsons fault.

Yes it is Hodgson’s fault because he tells him to take the corners. Do you not recall when Milivojevic was out of the side how our corner delivery improved.

SwordFish Peasmarsh,East Sussex 18 Jul 20 12.46pm
Originally posted by PatrickA He's the manager and I'm unaware of rules precluding him from changing the corner taker, or indeed on varying corner routines. The absolving of any responsibility on the part of Hodgson is baffling.[/quote It’s also baffling that everything is also being blamed on him , “This is a crisis, a large crisis.... in fact if you have a moment, it’s a 12 storey crisis, magnificent entrance hall, carpeting throughout, 24 hour portage , and an enormous sign on the roof saying “This , is a large crisis” - Edmund Blackadder

SwordFish

Peasmarsh,East Sussex 18 Jul 20 12.46pm

Originally posted by PatrickA

He's the manager and I'm unaware of rules precluding him from changing the corner taker, or indeed on varying corner routines.
The absolving of any responsibility on the part of Hodgson is baffling.[/quote

It’s also baffling that everything is also being blamed on him ,

“This is a crisis, a large crisis.... in fact if you have a moment, it’s a 12 storey crisis, magnificent entrance hall, carpeting throughout, 24 hour portage , and an enormous sign on the roof saying “This , is a large crisis” - Edmund Blackadder

PatrickA London 18 Jul 20 12.54pm
I'm afraid I don't follow the logic. Does the fact that Leicester and Man U have scored just three times the amount of goals from corners than Palace have excuse our woeful performance from set pieces? Bear in mind they also have far more in their armoury in other areas than we do to enable them to score goals too. People will find all sorts of reasons for defending Hodgson but some do defy credibility.

PatrickA

London 18 Jul 20 12.54pm

I'm afraid I don't follow the logic.
Does the fact that Leicester and Man U have scored just three times the amount of goals from corners than Palace have excuse our woeful performance from set pieces?
Bear in mind they also have far more in their armoury in other areas than we do to enable them to score goals too.
People will find all sorts of reasons for defending Hodgson but some do defy credibility.

southnorwoodhill 18 Jul 20 12.54pm
Regarding taking corners, it has been argued here that Kane took corners because he was considered the best at delivering the ball by Hodgson. Think about that briefly and then apply the same criteria to Milo. Edited by southnorwoodhill (18 Jul 2020 12.58pm)

southnorwoodhill

18 Jul 20 12.54pm

Regarding taking corners, it has been argued here that Kane took corners because he was considered the best at delivering the ball by Hodgson. Think about that briefly and then apply the same criteria to Milo.

Edited by southnorwoodhill (18 Jul 2020 12.58pm)

Eaglecoops CR3 18 Jul 20 12.57pm
Originally posted by SwordFish Originally posted by PatrickA It’s also baffling that everything is also being blamed on him , Ok, let’s try this a different way. Why do you think with the same decent headers of a ball in Dann, Sakho, Cahill, Tomkins (perm any 2 from 4) and Benteke do we not score hardly ever at set pieces and in particular corners? If your answer is going to be because the delivery is not good enough then who’s responsible for improving that delivery? Look at Man Utd’s delivery at corners the other night. Are our players not capable of doing that or does he just get Milivojevic to take them because he always has? Look, I appreciate you are a staunch supporter of Roy but he is not getting the best out of what we already have. If he has a weakness at set pieces surely he should get a coach in specifically for that role. Edited by Eaglecoops (18 Jul 2020 1.02pm)

Eaglecoops

CR3 18 Jul 20 12.57pm

Originally posted by SwordFish

Originally posted by PatrickA

It’s also baffling that everything is also being blamed on him ,

Ok, let’s try this a different way. Why do you think with the same decent headers of a ball in Dann, Sakho, Cahill, Tomkins (perm any 2 from 4) and Benteke do we not score hardly ever at set pieces and in particular corners?

If your answer is going to be because the delivery is not good enough then who’s responsible for improving that delivery?

Look at Man Utd’s delivery at corners the other night. Are our players not capable of doing that or does he just get Milivojevic to take them because he always has?

Look, I appreciate you are a staunch supporter of Roy but he is not getting the best out of what we already have. If he has a weakness at set pieces surely he should get a coach in specifically for that role.

Edited by Eaglecoops (18 Jul 2020 1.02pm)

Tickled pink Cornwall 18 Jul 20 1.04pm
Originally posted by PatrickA He's the manager and I'm unaware of rules precluding him from changing the corner taker, or indeed on varying corner routines. The absolving of any responsibility on the part of Hodgson is baffling. You blaming Mr Hodgson is equally baffling.

Tickled pink

Cornwall 18 Jul 20 1.04pm

Originally posted by PatrickA

He's the manager and I'm unaware of rules precluding him from changing the corner taker, or indeed on varying corner routines.
The absolving of any responsibility on the part of Hodgson is baffling.

You blaming Mr Hodgson is equally baffling.

ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 18 Jul 20 1.17pm
Originally posted by Tickled pink You blaming Mr Hodgson is equally baffling. It is down to the manager at the end of the day. It's ultimately his job to be in charge, and take responsibility for performances. If we are sh1t at set pieces it's because we are not working on them. It pretty bloody obvious when you watch the games. Red and Blue Army!

ASCPFC

Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 18 Jul 20 1.17pm

Originally posted by Tickled pink

You blaming Mr Hodgson is equally baffling.

It is down to the manager at the end of the day. It's ultimately his job to be in charge, and take responsibility for performances. If we are sh1t at set pieces it's because we are not working on them. It pretty bloody obvious when you watch the games.

Red and Blue Army!

PatrickA London 18 Jul 20 1.18pm
We'll have to agree to disagree. It would be harsh to hold him solely responsible for this season and it has to be ackowledged that he did a decent job in his first season. But it is difficult to accept the reverence reserved for him by some as if he is a combination of Ferguson/Mourinho who is the only possible manager who could keep us up (despite Pulis, Pardew and Allardyce all achieving the same). The performances have been poor this season and this is partly attributable to Hodgson. Does that seem so unreasonable?

PatrickA

London 18 Jul 20 1.18pm

We'll have to agree to disagree.
It would be harsh to hold him solely responsible for this season and it has to be ackowledged that he did a decent job in his first season.
But it is difficult to accept the reverence reserved for him by some as if he is a combination of Ferguson/Mourinho who is the only possible manager who could keep us up (despite Pulis, Pardew and Allardyce all achieving the same).
The performances have been poor this season and this is partly attributable to Hodgson.
Does that seem so unreasonable?

SwordFish Peasmarsh,East Sussex 18 Jul 20 4.30pm
Originally posted by PatrickA We'll have to agree to disagree. It would be harsh to hold him solely responsible for this season and it has to be ackowledged that he did a decent job in his first season. But it is difficult to accept the reverence reserved for him by some as if he is a combination of Ferguson/Mourinho who is the only possible manager who could keep us up (despite Pulis, Pardew and Allardyce all achieving the same). The performances have been poor this season and this is partly attributable to Hodgson. Does that seem so unreasonable? And this here lies the issue with the Roy haters , what does he have to Be responsible for? For keeping us up with a shoe string budget? For getting results over our rivals , Watford , Brighton and also getting a point at city and winning at United? Not losing to arsenal ? Everyone needs to wake up, Roy is the man and will get results when needed “This is a crisis, a large crisis.... in fact if you have a moment, it’s a 12 storey crisis, magnificent entrance hall, carpeting throughout, 24 hour portage , and an enormous sign on the roof saying “This , is a large crisis” - Edmund Blackadder

SwordFish

Peasmarsh,East Sussex 18 Jul 20 4.30pm

Originally posted by PatrickA

We'll have to agree to disagree.
It would be harsh to hold him solely responsible for this season and it has to be ackowledged that he did a decent job in his first season.
But it is difficult to accept the reverence reserved for him by some as if he is a combination of Ferguson/Mourinho who is the only possible manager who could keep us up (despite Pulis, Pardew and Allardyce all achieving the same).
The performances have been poor this season and this is partly attributable to Hodgson.
Does that seem so unreasonable?

And this here lies the issue with the Roy haters , what does he have to Be responsible for? For keeping us up with a shoe string budget? For getting results over our rivals , Watford , Brighton and also getting a point at city and winning at United? Not losing to arsenal ? Everyone needs to wake up, Roy is the man and will get results when needed

doombear Too far from Selhurst Park 18 Jul 20 4.37pm
Originally posted by SwordFish And this here lies the issue with the Roy haters , what does he have to Be responsible for? For keeping us up with a shoe string budget? For getting results over our rivals , Watford , Brighton and also getting a point at city and winning at United? Not losing to arsenal ? Everyone needs to wake up, Roy is the man and will get results when needed He has certainly managed to do so till now AND I think he will do so next season PROVIDED he gets some (even half)decent new faces in the coming window. I'm not sure the existing squad will be injury-free enough to do it otherwise despite Roy's best efforts

doombear

Too far from Selhurst Park 18 Jul 20 4.37pm

Originally posted by SwordFish

He has certainly managed to do so till now AND I think he will do so next season PROVIDED he gets some (even half)decent new faces in the coming window. I'm not sure the existing squad will be injury-free enough to do it otherwise despite Roy's best efforts

jeeagles 18 Jul 20 6.39pm
Originally posted by SwordFish And this here lies the issue with the Roy haters , what does he have to Be responsible for? For keeping us up with a shoe string budget? For getting results over our rivals , Watford , Brighton and also getting a point at city and winning at United? Not losing to arsenal ? Everyone needs to wake up, Roy is the man and will get results when needed Against who?

jeeagles

18 Jul 20 6.39pm

Originally posted by SwordFish

Against who?

SwordFish Peasmarsh,East Sussex 18 Jul 20 6.58pm
Originally posted by jeeagles Against who? What? Is this a joke? “This is a crisis, a large crisis.... in fact if you have a moment, it’s a 12 storey crisis, magnificent entrance hall, carpeting throughout, 24 hour portage , and an enormous sign on the roof saying “This , is a large crisis” - Edmund Blackadder

SwordFish

Peasmarsh,East Sussex 18 Jul 20 6.58pm

Originally posted by jeeagles

Against who?

What? Is this a joke?

PatrickA London 18 Jul 20 7.42pm
I’m not a Hodgson ‘hater.’ I recognise the good jobs he did at Fulham and WBA. He also presided over away wins at Man C and Arsenal for us in the same season which I was fortunate to witness.. Never thought I would see that and we managed to score 3 goals in both games. But we have to face the facts - that’s history. With more or less the same group of players we’ve never looked like scoring 3 goals in a game this season let alone actually scoring them in a single game. Surely it’s reasonable this season to query his overly defensive approach, reluctance to vary tactics and predictability. Let’s face it if the fans know what minute he’s going to substitute one defensive midfielder for another I’m pretty sure the opposing manager does to. He’ll probably stay and there may well be three worse teams next season as well. That will be enough for some fans but not others. Football is no different to other facets of life and you don’t go forward by standing still. Do even the Hodgson fans really trust him to enhance the development of the young players we are linked with the summer? Experience would tell us otherwise.

PatrickA

London 18 Jul 20 7.42pm

I’m not a Hodgson ‘hater.’
I recognise the good jobs he did at Fulham and WBA.
He also presided over away wins at Man C and Arsenal for us in the same season which I was fortunate to witness..
Never thought I would see that and we managed to score 3 goals in both games.
But we have to face the facts - that’s history.
With more or less the same group of players we’ve never looked like scoring 3 goals in a game this season let alone actually scoring them in a single game.
Surely it’s reasonable this season to query his overly defensive approach, reluctance to vary tactics and predictability.
Let’s face it if the fans know what minute he’s going to substitute one defensive midfielder for another I’m pretty sure the opposing manager does to.
He’ll probably stay and there may well be three worse teams next season as well.
That will be enough for some fans but not others.
Football is no different to other facets of life and you don’t go forward by standing still.
Do even the Hodgson fans really trust him to enhance the development of the young players we are linked with the summer?
Experience would tell us otherwise.

rollercoaster Cornwall 18 Jul 20 8.00pm
If we have money for the basis of a new team then a longer term manager needs to be appointed to shape the recruitment. Maybe worth the risk for long term gain. If we have another season of end-of-career and loan player recruitment, to make do, then we need to stick with Roy who will do a better, safer job than anybody else we may be able to get. I do agree our set pieces need a lot of work but I really cannot see this set of players playing an expansive game successfully however much we'd like it.

rollercoaster

Cornwall 18 Jul 20 8.00pm

If we have money for the basis of a new team then a longer term manager needs to be appointed to shape the recruitment. Maybe worth the risk for long term gain.

If we have another season of end-of-career and loan player recruitment, to make do, then we need to stick with Roy who will do a better, safer job than anybody else we may be able to get.

I do agree our set pieces need a lot of work but I really cannot see this set of players playing an expansive game successfully however much we'd like it.

redshift Toronto 18 Jul 20 9.36pm
Originally posted by doombear He has certainly managed to do so till now AND I think he will do so next season PROVIDED he gets some (even half)decent new faces in the coming window. I'm not sure the existing squad will be injury-free enough to do it otherwise despite Roy's best efforts And this year we had no luck with our loan ins. Camarasa bailing in January and Cenk Tosun injured early March iirc. Last few years we've usually had 2 or so decent loans we could depend on. I know it's a small thing but then small things can have an impact like this season. Or would that be putting too much emphasis on this? Success will lie to you but failure always tells you the truth.

redshift

Toronto 18 Jul 20 9.36pm

Originally posted by doombear

And this year we had no luck with our loan ins. Camarasa bailing in January and Cenk Tosun injured early March iirc. Last few years we've usually had 2 or so decent loans we could depend on. I know it's a small thing but then small things can have an impact like this season. Or would that be putting too much emphasis on this?

Success will lie to you but failure always tells you the truth.

cryrst The garden of England 18 Jul 20 10.29pm
Originally posted by redshift And this year we had no luck with our loan ins. Camarasa bailing in January and Cenk Tosun injured early March iirc. Last few years we've usually had 2 or so decent loans we could depend on. I know it's a small thing but then small things can have an impact like this season. Or would that be putting too much emphasis on this? Camarasa was outed without time on the pitch. Cardiff player of the season doesnt get a sniff. Rumour being he didnt like Roy's training sessions. Some Mavericks just need the ball, Rooney, Beckham,cabaye,pogba. Who gives a toss if they dont like training but still keep fit. Paul McGrath turned up on game day and look how good he was. Ok injury was his reason but not being at training; didnt impact his positional sense and commitment.

cryrst

The garden of England 18 Jul 20 10.29pm

Originally posted by redshift

Camarasa was outed without time on the pitch.
Cardiff player of the season doesnt get a sniff. Rumour being he didnt like Roy's training sessions.
Some Mavericks just need the ball, Rooney, Beckham,cabaye,pogba. Who gives a toss if they dont like training but still keep fit. Paul McGrath turned up on game day and look how good he was.
Ok injury was his reason but not being at training; didnt impact his positional sense and commitment.

Spiderman Horsham 18 Jul 20 11.24pm
Originally posted by cryrst Camarasa was outed without time on the pitch. Cardiff player of the season doesnt get a sniff. Rumour being he didnt like Roy's training sessions. Some Mavericks just need the ball, Rooney, Beckham,cabaye,pogba. Who gives a toss if they dont like training but still keep fit. Paul McGrath turned up on game day and look how good he was. Ok injury was his reason but not being at training; didnt impact his positional sense and commitment. I think we missed a trick with Camarasa, he is the player we have been missing, a midfielder who can pass and shoot

Spiderman

Horsham 18 Jul 20 11.24pm

Originally posted by cryrst

I think we missed a trick with Camarasa, he is the player we have been missing, a midfielder who can pass and shoot

Rachid Rachid Rachid 18 Jul 20 11.46pm
Since Christmas we've scored from set pieces against Southampton, Man City, Newcastle and Bournemouth. We've had legit set piece goals chalked off this season against Liverpool and Villa.

Rachid Rachid Rachid

18 Jul 20 11.46pm

Since Christmas we've scored from set pieces against Southampton, Man City, Newcastle and Bournemouth.

We've had legit set piece goals chalked off this season against Liverpool and Villa.

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