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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 01 Mar 21 10.10am

Originally posted by nobody

Towards the end of my working life I worked for a Scottish Company in London.

To say that in general they were a bit racist towards the English would be an understatement. On a daily basis locals were put down ignored and generally regarded as inferior.

Luckily I was in a position to ignore most of it and was happy to come back to them with home truths.

Funnily enough being posted to London was the dream job for all of them.There was always much wailing and Gnashing of teeth when they were posted back north.

Back in the day when I worked in banking it was well know that the Scottish banks had a glass ceiling for the English. I'm sure that's gone now but it wasn't that long ago.

 


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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 01 Mar 21 10.27am

Back on the Salmond allegations either Alex is full of it and there is no smoking gun or he is playing a blinder. He says he has the evidence and will produce it this week.

If he has got the goods he knows how to twist the knife in he has built up his story with refusing to appear then dropping hints in the media and finally showing up.

I would imagine the political temperature in Jock Land is white hot at the moment.

 


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topcat Flag Holmesdale / Surbiton 01 Mar 21 2.02pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Back on the Salmond allegations either Alex is full of it and there is no smoking gun or he is playing a blinder. He says he has the evidence and will produce it this week.

If he has got the goods he knows how to twist the knife in he has built up his story with refusing to appear then dropping hints in the media and finally showing up.

I would imagine the political temperature in Jock Land is white hot at the moment.

He's going to look a complete t*** if he doesn't back up his allegations with something quite solid. Hopefully we will see what he's got soon.

 


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Matov Flag 01 Mar 21 2.32pm

Originally posted by topcat

He's going to look a complete t*** if he doesn't back up his allegations with something quite solid. Hopefully we will see what he's got soon.

He definitely has something over them. Problem is that I am not sure how he can be paid off? They clearly cannot offer him a job in the Scottish Government and not sure what kind of powers they hold in terms of appointing people to international positions (the EU and to a lesser extent NATO where always the great dumping grounds for any problematic political type who knew far too many skeletons in cupboards to just be left by the wayside but neither of them fall under the remit of the Scotch Government).

I think he wants Sturgeon to sweat. To have her, and her husband, dangling on a hook. This is sheer vindictiveness now.

Amusing to watch. Question is does Salmond truly want an independent Scotland or does he loath Wee Nicky so much that he will effectively destroy her and potentially damage the SNP for years to come?

Scottish politics is a toxic cess-pool at the best of times so I am going for the almost Shakespearian drama of it all and Salmond looking to destroy the top echelons of the SNP. It already has structural problems in terms of opposition to its wokeness so this could split it in half.

However, and this is me going out on a limb here, I wonder if Westminster is dangling a lucrative job in front of Salmond's nose? Wheels within wheels.

 


"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

chris123 Flag hove actually 01 Mar 21 3.33pm

Originally posted by Matov

He definitely has something over them. Problem is that I am not sure how he can be paid off? They clearly cannot offer him a job in the Scottish Government and not sure what kind of powers they hold in terms of appointing people to international positions (the EU and to a lesser extent NATO where always the great dumping grounds for any problematic political type who knew far too many skeletons in cupboards to just be left by the wayside but neither of them fall under the remit of the Scotch Government).

I think he wants Sturgeon to sweat. To have her, and her husband, dangling on a hook. This is sheer vindictiveness now.

Amusing to watch. Question is does Salmond truly want an independent Scotland or does he loath Wee Nicky so much that he will effectively destroy her and potentially damage the SNP for years to come?

Scottish politics is a toxic cess-pool at the best of times so I am going for the almost Shakespearian drama of it all and Salmond looking to destroy the top echelons of the SNP. It already has structural problems in terms of opposition to its wokeness so this could split it in half.

However, and this is me going out on a limb here, I wonder if Westminster is dangling a lucrative job in front of Salmond's nose? Wheels within wheels.

And having his own Highland Clearance no doubt.

 

Badger11 Flag Beckenham 01 Mar 21 3.45pm

Originally posted by Matov

He definitely has something over them. Problem is that I am not sure how he can be paid off? They clearly cannot offer him a job in the Scottish Government and not sure what kind of powers they hold in terms of appointing people to international positions (the EU and to a lesser extent NATO where always the great dumping grounds for any problematic political type who knew far too many skeletons in cupboards to just be left by the wayside but neither of them fall under the remit of the Scotch Government).

I think he wants Sturgeon to sweat. To have her, and her husband, dangling on a hook. This is sheer vindictiveness now.

Amusing to watch. Question is does Salmond truly want an independent Scotland or does he loath Wee Nicky so much that he will effectively destroy her and potentially damage the SNP for years to come?

Scottish politics is a toxic cess-pool at the best of times so I am going for the almost Shakespearian drama of it all and Salmond looking to destroy the top echelons of the SNP. It already has structural problems in terms of opposition to its wokeness so this could split it in half.

However, and this is me going out on a limb here, I wonder if Westminster is dangling a lucrative job in front of Salmond's nose? Wheels within wheels.

Another good post Matov and you are correct Peerages, Ambassadors or BBC Chairman or EU has always been a good way of keeping the malcontents quiet but the SNP doesn't have that much pork to dish out.

I suspect that Alex will do a Samson and bring down the temple and bugger the consequences. As others have said Nationalists tend to be just this side of fanatics.

 


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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 01 Mar 21 3.52pm

Its an updated version of Macbeth.

When will Burnham Wood move to Dunsinane?

They are all locked in and cannot get free without damaging themselves.

On the charges AS was found not guilty on all of them, a prosecution of 14 charges it is a difficult stretch of the imagination to concede that they were not made with malign intent.

All it needs is a scottish goalkeeper.

.

 

ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 01 Mar 21 3.57pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Its an updated version of Macbeth.

When will Burnham Wood move to Dunsinane?

They are all locked in and cannot get free without damaging themselves.

On the charges AS was found not guilty on all of them, a prosecution of 14 charges it is a difficult stretch of the imagination to concede that they were not made with malign intent.

All it needs is a scottish goalkeeper.

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Not proven, entirely different to not guilty. Both exist in Scottish Law. Also was only charged on a selection of cases. There were eight women who had made allegations in total. They can't have all been Sturgeon's stooges - or could they? I've always thought the whole episode a bit fishy.

 


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mezzer Flag Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 01 Mar 21 4.36pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Its an updated version of Macbeth.

When will Burnham Wood move to Dunsinane?

They are all locked in and cannot get free without damaging themselves.

On the charges AS was found not guilty on all of them, a prosecution of 14 charges it is a difficult stretch of the imagination to concede that they were not made with malign intent.

All it needs is a scottish goalkeeper.

.

Whichever side's got Jim Leighton acting for their defence have had it

 


Living down here does have some advantages. At least you can see them cry.

Matov Flag 01 Mar 21 4.56pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Its an updated version of Macbeth.



LOL. A lot in that. But this kind of quagmire is very, very Scottish. It's a toxic society for a whole raft of reasons, with the lunacy of sectarianism never far from the surface either.

Throw in the 'balance' of a variety of chips on both shoulders and you have a society ideally placed to throw up these kinds of tragedies.

Add the kind of soft-focus view that many on the wider left have endowed onto what is an ardently nationalist organisation and you have this very Shakespearian situation playing out with nobody in England able to actually play the situation to their benefit. The Tories cannot touch it with a barge-pole given the demands for another referendum and Labour are still in a collective sense of shock at losing what was close on to 40 seats it considered 'safe', probably meaning it can never obtain a majority in the UK again.

Lot of twists and turns to play out here.

Edited by Matov (01 Mar 2021 4.57pm)

 


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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 01 Mar 21 5.06pm

Is this a dagger which I see before me, The handle toward my hand? Come, let me clutch thee. I have thee not, and yet I see thee still.

Lady MacSturgeon.

 

Matov Flag 01 Mar 21 7.39pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Is this a dagger which I see before me, The handle toward my hand? Come, let me clutch thee. I have thee not, and yet I see thee still.

Lady MacSturgeon.

Except I cannot envisage Ms Sturgeon ever getting an attack of the guilts and wandering around trying to wash imaginary blood off her hands.

Far too cold and scheming, even more so than the much-maligned Lady M. Personally I would put her on par with Livia Drusilla of 'I Clavidus' fame.

 


"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

CPFC1965 Flag Warrington 01 Mar 21 8.00pm

Surely if they do declare independence in the misguided hope of staying in the EU, just imagine how much we can charge them for using English road and rail networks. I'm pretty sure the vast majority of Scots won't go for it unless Sturgeon changes the voting age to include infants.

 

Matov Flag 02 Mar 21 10.14pm

Great Birnam wood is on the move.

And for the less t***ish out there, Wee Nicky is right in the s***. If she survives the week then she is the definition of a Teflon politician.

 


"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Stirlingsays Flag 02 Mar 21 10.20pm

Everytime I hear about this SNP falling out between Alex Salmond and Nicola Sturgeon I have to regularly reread his name to stop myself from thinking that it's only inter-fish rivalry.

 


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Teddy Eagle Flag 02 Mar 21 10.40pm


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Things are hotting up.

 

Eaglecoops Flag CR3 03 Mar 21 9.02am

Wee Jimmy will be back on the cabaret stage before we know it. She is finished, or certainly should be finished. As Matov said, she will be entirely made of Teflon if she walks away unscathed from this.

 

Badger11 Flag Beckenham 03 Mar 21 9.35am

Salmond has now produced 2 witnesses to back his version and the release of the legal advice is pretty damming.

I think Sturgeon has a case to answer, Until now she has been the SNP's greatest asset will the public now see her as a liability if yes then she is gone.

A vote of no confidence can only be won if some on the SNP side with the opposition not sure they are ready to do that just yet but I expect more allegations are bound to emerge.

This is all very Scottish sport, just when it looked like independence was a real possibility from the jaws of victory they snatch defeat.

 


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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 04 Mar 21 5.45pm

The Lady Krankie is not for turning and put in a shift yesterday.

Polished, professional, knew her subject, above all not intimidated by legal trickery.

Able to say her government had made a mistake, never hostile.

It was easy to see how she had made it to the top.

Definitely not a scottish goalkeeper...

 

PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 04 Mar 21 7.10pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

The Lady Krankie is not for turning and put in a shift yesterday.

Polished, professional, knew her subject, above all not intimidated by legal trickery.

Able to say her government had made a mistake, never hostile.

It was easy to see how she had made it to the top.

Definitely not a scottish goalkeeper...

wee jimmy Krankie did her homework and had a catapult in her back pocket.

 


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