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Penge Eagle Beckenham 18 Jul 19 10.48am
Yes, you are not wrong! The No Deal story is the lead on the home page (and placed further down the pecking order in other media outlets). And they've buried the 'Donald Trump impeachment bid fails in the House' story down the home page. It was a prominent BBC story when the Democrats were going for it though. Meanwhile, 'BBC's 'deeply upsetting' plan to send TV licence fee 'police' to OAPs' homes to demand they pay annual £154.40 fee' [Link] Edited by Penge Eagle (18 Jul 2019 11.12am)
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Beckenham 18 Jul 19 10.48am

Yes, you are not wrong! The No Deal story is the lead on the home page (and placed further down the pecking order in other media outlets).

And they've buried the 'Donald Trump impeachment bid fails in the House' story down the home page. It was a prominent BBC story when the Democrats were going for it though.

Meanwhile, 'BBC's 'deeply upsetting' plan to send TV licence fee 'police' to OAPs' homes to demand they pay annual £154.40 fee' [Link]

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 18 Jul 19 11.24am
Originally posted by Penge Eagle Yes, you are not wrong! And they've buried the 'Donald Trump impeachment bid fails in the House' story down the home page. It was a prominent BBC story when the Democrats were going for it though. Meanwhile, 'BBC's 'deeply upsetting' plan to send TV licence fee 'police' to OAPs' homes to demand they pay annual £154.40 fee' [Link] Edited by Penge Eagle (18 Jul 2019 10.56am) It's the third link on the right headed "Major defeat in Trump impeachment bid"! Hardly buried! As it was never expected to succeed the story was always the new attempt to test how much the support for his impeachment had increased and for Pelosi to explain why the committee work comes first. You reference a Dail Wail article on the BBC? That purveyor of unbiased truth without an agenda? It's about as reliable a source of information in the UK is as Fox is in the US. Talk about twisting a story and describing trying to assist people as sending "police". The BBC are, I think, trying to get the government to intervene and support the poorer elderly with their licence fees. I will qualify this year, but as I can afford to pay and regard the cost as brilliant value for money I have no objection to the proposed change. It reflects our changing times. For those on fixed incomes, housebound and alone, making sure they have the TV available is vital. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 18 Jul 19 11.24am

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

Yes, you are not wrong!

And they've buried the 'Donald Trump impeachment bid fails in the House' story down the home page. It was a prominent BBC story when the Democrats were going for it though.

Meanwhile, 'BBC's 'deeply upsetting' plan to send TV licence fee 'police' to OAPs' homes to demand they pay annual £154.40 fee' [Link]

Edited by Penge Eagle (18 Jul 2019 10.56am)

It's the third link on the right headed "Major defeat in Trump impeachment bid"! Hardly buried! As it was never expected to succeed the story was always the new attempt to test how much the support for his impeachment had increased and for Pelosi to explain why the committee work comes first.

You reference a Dail Wail article on the BBC? That purveyor of unbiased truth without an agenda? It's about as reliable a source of information in the UK is as Fox is in the US. Talk about twisting a story and describing trying to assist people as sending "police".

The BBC are, I think, trying to get the government to intervene and support the poorer elderly with their licence fees. I will qualify this year, but as I can afford to pay and regard the cost as brilliant value for money I have no objection to the proposed change. It reflects our changing times.

For those on fixed incomes, housebound and alone, making sure they have the TV available is vital.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Penge Eagle Beckenham 18 Jul 19 11.33am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle It's the third link on the right headed "Major defeat in Trump impeachment bid"! Hardly buried! As it was never expected to succeed the story was always the new attempt to test how much the support for his impeachment had increased and for Pelosi to explain why the committee work comes first. You reference a Dail Wail article on the BBC? That purveyor of unbiased truth without an agenda? It's about as reliable a source of information in the UK is as Fox is in the US. Talk about twisting a story and describing trying to assist people as sending "police". The BBC are, I think, trying to get the government to intervene and support the poorer elderly with their licence fees. I will qualify this year, but as I can afford to pay and regard the cost as brilliant value for money I have no objection to the proposed change. It reflects our changing times. For those on fixed incomes, housebound and alone, making sure they have the TV available is vital. "Third link on the right" is actually story No.9 ranking out of 13. Just a few new stories will knock it off the home page entirely. If the Trump impeachment deserved multiple prominent and lead story placings the first time round, then it should this time too in interest of balance. How about the Telegraph? 'Elderly face visit from TV licence fee police: MPs warn of 'trauma' for vulnerable' [Link] Or ITV? 'Over-75s to be visited by BBC ‘outreach’ teams over TV licence payments' [Link] Edited by Penge Eagle (18 Jul 2019 11.37am)
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Beckenham 18 Jul 19 11.33am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

For those on fixed incomes, housebound and alone, making sure they have the TV available is vital.

"Third link on the right" is actually story No.9 ranking out of 13. Just a few new stories will knock it off the home page entirely.

If the Trump impeachment deserved multiple prominent and lead story placings the first time round, then it should this time too in interest of balance.

How about the Telegraph? 'Elderly face visit from TV licence fee police: MPs warn of 'trauma' for vulnerable' [Link]

Or ITV? 'Over-75s to be visited by BBC ‘outreach’ teams over TV licence payments' [Link]

Edited by Penge Eagle (18 Jul 2019 11.37am)

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Stirlingsays 18 Jul 19 11.42am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle "The BBC is doing wall to wall promotion for 'no deal' fear mongering at the moment......well it's been doing it for over three years but it's certainly been opening its legs these past weeks. The BBC isn't objective and impartial it is a political entity and as such should not be publicly funded in its current state. The social liberals have destroyed this institution.....it is a prime example of O’Sullivan’s Law." Why is telling the truth as perceived by most objective observers "fear mongering"? It seems more like responsible journalism to me! Defending "no deal" in the face of such a united opinion from the professionals seems to be recommending we leap off a cliff without a parachute hoping there is a cushion or two at the bottom. Ah, a law devised by John O'Sullivan, a hard right conservative who advised and wrote speeches for Thatcher. No chance of a bit of tongue in cheek bias there then! Let's write a new law shall we. How about "All organisations that are not actually left-wing will over time become right-wing. It makes as much sense doesn't it? Let's call it the Finkelstein law shall we? Copy and pasting my text is just another tactic for the same thing. You can comment on my views but don't use my commentary. So, I politely ask you to stop replying to me. Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Jul 2019 11.43am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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18 Jul 19 11.42am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

"The BBC is doing wall to wall promotion for 'no deal' fear mongering at the moment......well it's been doing it for over three years but it's certainly been opening its legs these past weeks.

The BBC isn't objective and impartial it is a political entity and as such should not be publicly funded in its current state.

The social liberals have destroyed this institution.....it is a prime example of O’Sullivan’s Law."

Why is telling the truth as perceived by most objective observers "fear mongering"? It seems more like responsible journalism to me! Defending "no deal" in the face of such a united opinion from the professionals seems to be recommending we leap off a cliff without a parachute hoping there is a cushion or two at the bottom.

Ah, a law devised by John O'Sullivan, a hard right conservative who advised and wrote speeches for Thatcher. No chance of a bit of tongue in cheek bias there then! Let's write a new law shall we. How about "All organisations that are not actually left-wing will over time become right-wing. It makes as much sense doesn't it? Let's call it the Finkelstein law shall we?

Copy and pasting my text is just another tactic for the same thing. You can comment on my views but don't use my commentary.

So, I politely ask you to stop replying to me.

Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Jul 2019 11.43am)

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Stirlingsays 18 Jul 19 11.50am
Originally posted by Penge Eagle Yes, you are not wrong! The No Deal story is the lead on the home page (and placed further down the pecking order in other media outlets). And they've buried the 'Donald Trump impeachment bid fails in the House' story down the home page. It was a prominent BBC story when the Democrats were going for it though. Meanwhile, 'BBC's 'deeply upsetting' plan to send TV licence fee 'police' to OAPs' homes to demand they pay annual £154.40 fee' [Link] Edited by Penge Eagle (18 Jul 2019 11.12am) Yep, the Biased Broadcasting Corporation are holed below the water line and their website is an affront to any claims of impartiality. The numbers ditching their tax are increasing and the social liberals are responsible for its demise.....there always should have been a balance between liberals and conservatives but they decided to ignore that path. As for the OAP 'police'.....how very neo liberal. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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18 Jul 19 11.50am

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

Yes, you are not wrong! The No Deal story is the lead on the home page (and placed further down the pecking order in other media outlets).

And they've buried the 'Donald Trump impeachment bid fails in the House' story down the home page. It was a prominent BBC story when the Democrats were going for it though.

Meanwhile, 'BBC's 'deeply upsetting' plan to send TV licence fee 'police' to OAPs' homes to demand they pay annual £154.40 fee' [Link]

Edited by Penge Eagle (18 Jul 2019 11.12am)

Yep, the Biased Broadcasting Corporation are holed below the water line and their website is an affront to any claims of impartiality.

The numbers ditching their tax are increasing and the social liberals are responsible for its demise.....there always should have been a balance between liberals and conservatives but they decided to ignore that path.

As for the OAP 'police'.....how very neo liberal.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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cryrst The garden of England 18 Jul 19 11.58am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Yep, the Biased Broadcasting Corporation are holed below the water line and their website is an affront to any claims of impartiality. The numbers ditching their tax are increasing and the social liberals are responsible for its demise.....there always should have been a balance between liberals and conservatives but they decided to ignore that path. As for the OAP 'police'.....how very neo liberal. The BBC are going to play out eventually to hope the government are seen to be the protagonists of this situation. Close to 1 billion pounds is what it costs for free licenses. Reading between the lines I dont think it's the now situation they are worried about. Many people are living longer so creating a bigger and bigger non paying community. If the government uses its loaf they can give every pensioner £1 pension credit then job done I reckon. That's the criteria for not having to pay I believe. Sneaky. You bet
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The garden of England 18 Jul 19 11.58am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Yep, the Biased Broadcasting Corporation are holed below the water line and their website is an affront to any claims of impartiality.

As for the OAP 'police'.....how very neo liberal.

The BBC are going to play out eventually to hope the government are seen to be the protagonists of this situation.
Close to 1 billion pounds is what it costs for free licenses.
Reading between the lines I dont think it's the now situation they are worried about.
Many people are living longer so creating a bigger and bigger non paying community.
If the government uses its loaf they can give every pensioner £1 pension credit then job done I reckon.
That's the criteria for not having to pay I believe.
Sneaky.
You bet

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Stirlingsays 18 Jul 19 12.18pm
Originally posted by cryrst The BBC are going to play out eventually to hope the government are seen to be the protagonists of this situation. Close to 1 billion pounds is what it costs for free licenses. Reading between the lines I dont think it's the now situation they are worried about. Many people are living longer so creating a bigger and bigger non paying community. If the government uses its loaf they can give every pensioner £1 pension credit then job done I reckon. That's the criteria for not having to pay I believe. Sneaky. You bet Aside from the political nature of the BBC. I think there is a role for government to ensure there is entertainment and news broadcasting in the country for communities such as the elderly and poor. The BBC as an organisation did the usual 'mission creep around the start of the digital era and decided to go 'bigger' and more expensive. Who benefits from that and who ultimately gets to suffer for that? We are seeing that here with fees like £150 quid being inappropriate for many. I haven't paid much mind to how I'd like the future BBC to be funded but reduced tier payments with different package options is an option for the less well off....or those wishing to avoid the BBC promoting social liberalism without any balance against it. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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18 Jul 19 12.18pm

Originally posted by cryrst

Aside from the political nature of the BBC.

I think there is a role for government to ensure there is entertainment and news broadcasting in the country for communities such as the elderly and poor.

The BBC as an organisation did the usual 'mission creep around the start of the digital era and decided to go 'bigger' and more expensive.

Who benefits from that and who ultimately gets to suffer for that? We are seeing that here with fees like £150 quid being inappropriate for many.

I haven't paid much mind to how I'd like the future BBC to be funded but reduced tier payments with different package options is an option for the less well off....or those wishing to avoid the BBC promoting social liberalism without any balance against it.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 18 Jul 19 12.29pm
Originally posted by Penge Eagle "Third link on the right" is actually story No.9 ranking out of 13. Just a few new stories will knock it off the home page entirely. If the Trump impeachment deserved multiple prominent and lead story placings the first time round, then it should this time too in interest of balance. How about the Telegraph? 'Elderly face visit from TV licence fee police: MPs warn of 'trauma' for vulnerable' [Link] Or ITV? 'Over-75s to be visited by BBC ‘outreach’ teams over TV licence payments' [Link] Edited by Penge Eagle (18 Jul 2019 11.37am) How do you work out it's 9 out of 13? I saw it immediately! The first story deserved prominence, as it was a new attempt in the series to suggest impeachment. No-one really expected it to succeed. That wasn't the point. It was to demonstrate increasing support. So not succeeding isn't any kind of story. No more than reporting that the sun rose today. It was expected. Now if the sun didn't rise, or Trump was impeached, that would be a very big story. The Telegraph, whilst more responsible than the Wail, is hardly neutral is it? The ITV report, although a rival of the BBC, is much more balanced. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 18 Jul 19 12.29pm

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

"Third link on the right" is actually story No.9 ranking out of 13. Just a few new stories will knock it off the home page entirely.

If the Trump impeachment deserved multiple prominent and lead story placings the first time round, then it should this time too in interest of balance.

How about the Telegraph? 'Elderly face visit from TV licence fee police: MPs warn of 'trauma' for vulnerable' [Link]

Or ITV? 'Over-75s to be visited by BBC ‘outreach’ teams over TV licence payments' [Link]

Edited by Penge Eagle (18 Jul 2019 11.37am)

How do you work out it's 9 out of 13? I saw it immediately!

The first story deserved prominence, as it was a new attempt in the series to suggest impeachment. No-one really expected it to succeed. That wasn't the point. It was to demonstrate increasing support. So not succeeding isn't any kind of story. No more than reporting that the sun rose today. It was expected. Now if the sun didn't rise, or Trump was impeached, that would be a very big story.

The Telegraph, whilst more responsible than the Wail, is hardly neutral is it? The ITV report, although a rival of the BBC, is much more balanced.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 18 Jul 19 12.37pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Copy and pasting my text is just another tactic for the same thing. You can comment on my views but don't use my commentary. So, I politely ask you to stop replying to me. Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Jul 2019 11.43am) So far as I am aware there is no copyright given to posters who post here so you don't hold any rights at all over which "commentaries" I might use. If I decide to use any extract, in full or in part, of any post here to highlight what my comment refers to, then I will do so. I wasn't replying to you. I was commenting on a post. You though have, hypercritically, replied to me, so I will now respond you you. Anyone see the irony? For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 18 Jul 19 12.37pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Copy and pasting my text is just another tactic for the same thing. You can comment on my views but don't use my commentary.

So, I politely ask you to stop replying to me.

Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Jul 2019 11.43am)

So far as I am aware there is no copyright given to posters who post here so you don't hold any rights at all over which "commentaries" I might use.

If I decide to use any extract, in full or in part, of any post here to highlight what my comment refers to, then I will do so.

I wasn't replying to you. I was commenting on a post.

You though have, hypercritically, replied to me, so I will now respond you you.

Anyone see the irony?

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Stirlingsays 18 Jul 19 1.03pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle So far as I am aware there is no copyright given to posters who post here so you don't hold any rights at all over which "commentaries" I might use. If I decide to use any extract, in full or in part, of any post here to highlight what my comment refers to, then I will do so. I wasn't replying to you. I was commenting on a post. You though have, hypercritically, replied to me, so I will now respond you you. Anyone see the irony? I politely ask you to stop replying to me. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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18 Jul 19 1.03pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

So far as I am aware there is no copyright given to posters who post here so you don't hold any rights at all over which "commentaries" I might use.

If I decide to use any extract, in full or in part, of any post here to highlight what my comment refers to, then I will do so.

I wasn't replying to you. I was commenting on a post.

You though have, hypercritically, replied to me, so I will now respond you you.

Anyone see the irony?

I politely ask you to stop replying to me.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Midlands Eagle 18 Jul 19 1.15pm
Wisbech and Stirling please pack it up as your continual arguing is boring to the rest of us. Wisbech will now stop responding to Stirlisay's posts and Stirlingsays will now stop requesting him to do so otherwise I will just delete the offending posts
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Wisbech and Stirling please pack it up as your continual arguing is boring to the rest of us.

Wisbech will now stop responding to Stirlisay's posts and Stirlingsays will now stop requesting him to do so otherwise I will just delete the offending posts

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Penge Eagle Beckenham 18 Jul 19 1.59pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle How do you work out it's 9 out of 13? I saw it immediately! The first story deserved prominence, as it was a new attempt in the series to suggest impeachment. No-one really expected it to succeed. That wasn't the point. It was to demonstrate increasing support. So not succeeding isn't any kind of story. No more than reporting that the sun rose today. It was expected. Now if the sun didn't rise, or Trump was impeached, that would be a very big story. The Telegraph, whilst more responsible than the Wail, is hardly neutral is it? The ITV report, although a rival of the BBC, is much more balanced. You may have saw it right away, but it's still ranked below the stories with photos! The order works from left to right. But I don't imagine you've worked on an editorial content management system (it's what I do for a living). As I write at around 2pm, by magic the Trump story has been knocked off the home page! Exactly how I predicted. Irrespective of balance, the simple fact remains the BBC is sending out 'police' or 'inspectors' or however you want to describe them. I know you don't like facts when it doesn't suit your narrative. Edited by Penge Eagle (18 Jul 2019 2.02pm)
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Beckenham 18 Jul 19 1.59pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

How do you work out it's 9 out of 13? I saw it immediately!

The Telegraph, whilst more responsible than the Wail, is hardly neutral is it? The ITV report, although a rival of the BBC, is much more balanced.

You may have saw it right away, but it's still ranked below the stories with photos! The order works from left to right. But I don't imagine you've worked on an editorial content management system (it's what I do for a living).

As I write at around 2pm, by magic the Trump story has been knocked off the home page! Exactly how I predicted.

Irrespective of balance, the simple fact remains the BBC is sending out 'police' or 'inspectors' or however you want to describe them. I know you don't like facts when it doesn't suit your narrative.

Edited by Penge Eagle (18 Jul 2019 2.02pm)

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