But never a cogent reposte to peoples' fears and the litany of disasters soon to beset us.

No because it's not possible to control it. The PSNI don't really police South Armagh. The UK side of the border is lawless. What are 30 customs officers going to do? They'd need arm support.

We'll never die

Fear mongering? Dear oh dear. Stating facts is not fearmongering.

Reads like another Daily Mail headline to me.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Makes you laugh that a lot of the left wing remoaners believe anything that two unelected presidents within the EU have to say.

They moan that the UK are not paying their way, then they moan that the UK are willing to meet some way to progress talks.

So much talk of the Tories doing the deal with the devil in DUP. But no talk of Merkel failing after 4 weeks of talks to agree a deal with a left-wing party. (I think it's in the UK's best interest Merkel stays in power)

And people are ashamed to be British.....

It's an awful time for world politics. Trump, Tory and Labour both massively split, Merkel failing to agree a coalition and Macron's poor approval ratings.

Edited by Hansy (21 Nov 2017 8.49am)

Point is that agency will likely have to be replaced at 100% of the cost, rather than 1/28th of the cost. The work of the EMA wasn't some finite good you had to divide up. They ensure the safety and quality of medicines. So unless we just try and piggy back on the EMA (with no say in what it does or the benefit of the jobs and 36,000 visitors to London it currently attracts), we have to set up our own agency. Set up costs plus running costs in total for the same benefit. Replicate that across every other agency and FTA we're pulling out of...

This

Its like watching Gary Borrowdale up against Ronaldinho in his prime.

Considering the EU wanted 100bn, and we're potentially paying 38bn. I'd say that is more beneficial to us?

So,my loyalties aren't with the UK eh,Stirling?Enemies of People nowadaysbeing anyone you disagree with?

A four year old can see that we are in a complete mess with our stance and have been out negotiated to date.

Edited by legaleagle (21 Nov 2017 9.24am)

What? The EU simply want what we signed up for. The budget we agreed to, the RaL we signed up for and our share of the contingent liabilities to which we are jointly liable. The €100bn reported in the press was an estimate of this number, not an opening gambit from the EU. The UK are now saying OK we agree on the RaL, sorry for being such morons and messing you all about for 7 months.

All this talk of figures is the UK press and the Brexit loonies trying to make games of it. This should be a fairly straightforward element of the negotiation, but because Boris etc. know that when the press turn these into gross figures they will make it out that the government has caved in or is inept or paying too much. The truth is no EU government will want to have their own press writing stories that they agreed to a deal that means their citizens are paying more to cover a shortfall caused by the UK leaving, so the UK has to pay its dues, or there will be no discussion on a trade deal.