We are being made a laughing stock because people like you listen to unelected officials that run the EU.

Imagine if Nigel Farage was our leader who was not voted on in anyway. Imagine the uproar. But it's okay because it's the EU.

Fact - David and DexEU said the location of these agencies would be determined in the negotiations.

Fact - Those agencies, just over 6 months into the negotiations, are leaving the UK, taking over 1000 high skilled jobs with them.

Therefore, applying simple logic (in line with Davis' own comments) the negotiations are not going well, seeing as we're already losing jobs that we were told would be up for discussion.

Add to this the failure to move on from the initial talks over the Brexit bill and Irish border and citizens rights as planned in October. Another failure.

So far it's been a catalogue of errors and incompetence. The fact that we're now folding on the issue of RaL, 7 months after we should have just agreed the principle, is another symbol of this governments cloth eared slow witted thinking.

We still have no plan for the Irish border. No plan for financial services. No plan for businesses. No transition deal. No plan for customs. No plan for pretty much anything. The government is too divided and too incompetent to make this work.

Time will tell who the 'faux patriots' are.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

I'm scared of people like you who don't seem to grasp the realities of the situation.

They never requested €100bn. Ever.

The EU have no objection to us remaining a member or at least operating under a Norway style deal until the end of the current budget. This wasn't their idea!

You claimed we were somehow saving €38bn. This is total fantasy. This issue has set us back 9 months, needlessly other than for political point scoring. The RaL which the government has only just agreed to today represents commitments already made but not yet paid, to which the UK has been a party (i.e. they have signed up to paying these amounts). Some beneficiaries of RaL will be in the UK.

What assets are you talking about? I agree that if there are any assets which are committed to be liquidated then we should receive our share, but it strikes me that most of the assets we have are intangible and we will lose their benefit when we leave.

It was reported 100bn, but Juncker mentioned a 60bn charge. Still nearly double what we are potentially willing to pay.

I have no issue paying our share of the EU budget until 2020. But we should also remain a member up until that point. If they want a transition after this period, then the UK should rightly include themselves in the budget until the transition ends.

If you haven't looked into our assets in the UK, and what our obligations has been paying for over the past years. Why are you questioning this? It includes tangible and hard assets.

More like 51.8% than double. The most popular figure being bandied around was anything between '40bill-60bill'. This will be our second offer. Expect the final one to be £50bill and handshakes all round.

Though we must remember fervent Brexiteers keep saying 'we don't have to pay a penny' so maybe it will be in the form of an iou note or £5 a week.

You gotta laugh - Osborne was ripped to pieces when he dared suggest the cost of Brexit would cost an an average family £4,000 per annum.

Now we are talking about the cost to the UK as a whole as being a likely £50,000,000,000

Edited by Kermit8 (21 Nov 2017 9.54am)

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I believe it was the obligations that made up the £40-60bill estimate. Also, it we didn't pay our credit rating would dive and we would be seen as pariahs and welchers so not a good way to start life outside of the EU.

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There was austerity because Cameron and Osborne wanted to shrink the state and diminish public institutions and increase the roll of the private sector (which they have admitted) and austerity was a neat sounding tool to hide their true ideologically driven intentions. Austerity, as described by Paul Krugman, was a delusion and an unmitigated failure.

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EU based UK assets, as well as the UK's share of EU assets.

Do you have the breakdown of these tangible assets? i.e. where did you get these figures from? It will be interesting to see if it is similar to mine.

It certainly will be interesting to see whether they simply split assets 28 ways, or base it off the percentage EU states have invested.

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Yes, but that has always been the issue with both Labour and the Tories.

Labour spend and grow out of trouble. Tories cut.

Should be a middle ground in both imo.