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 nairb75  Baltimore 19 Sep 16 3.24pm |
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Originally posted by topcat
The establishment don't care who wins as they always come out on top. Even if Trump got in, do you think anything would actually change? If he tried to implement any of his daft ideas, he would be blocked by Congress. Whilst his party hold a large majority, a lot of them don't like him and wouldn't necessarily back him. he'll pass cuts for the rich first thing. he'd get congress to sign off.
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Sedlescombe  Sedlescombe 19 Sep 16 4.00pm |
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A couple of examples of the man's insight. In 2013, Manning accused Obama of having a “love child” and then shooting the mother outside the White House. In 2014, he prognosticated that Obama and Vladimir Putin would be outed as gay within 100 days.
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| Sedlescombe Sedlescombe 19 Sep 16 4.04pm |
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Originally posted by .TUX.
Doubling the US debt is hardly 'cleaning up'. (Pumping Wall Street with QE money cannot in any way qualify as a recovery.) Achievements? Hmmm........ Has any president since Roosevelt come into office with the country in a worse economic condition than Obama following the Republican party banking crisis?
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| .TUX. 20 Sep 16 6.26am |
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Has any president since Roosevelt come into office with the country in a worse economic condition than Obama following the Republican party banking crisis? A fair point and no, but my post was in relation to the claim that Obama has 'cleaned up the economy'.
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| Ray in Houston Houston 21 Sep 16 3.43pm |
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Originally posted by .TUX.
Doubling the US debt is hardly 'cleaning up'. (Pumping Wall Street with QE money cannot in any way qualify as a recovery.) Achievements? Hmmm........ Well the "doubling of the debt" meme is a very simplistic view of what has happened to the US economy. Looking at a single measure and using it to damn an entire Presidency is foolish. Before the election even happened, the US (and world) economy was in freefall. It's been estimated that the 2008 crash cost the US economy as much as $17 trillion. The US debt exploded, not because of TARP or other recovery measures, but because The Bush tax cuts had shredded tax revenue - which then plummeted further as the economy sank - and the Iraq/Afghanistan wars which Bush had always kept off the books, i.e. it was never a budget item but funded on the fly by special appropriations. I have attached a graph that shows how each of these extraneous - non-Obama policy related costs helped heap debt on the US.
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Attachment: | Ray in Houston Houston 21 Sep 16 3.48pm |
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Originally posted by Jimenez
Exactly and his immigration policy or lack of has been woeful.
Meanwhile, he has enforcing the existing, bad, laws harder than any President before him. Lately he has tried to use what authority he has to soften the approach to certain types - especially families who came here illegally but have since had kids - but he is getting push back there too. Immigration policy is a mess.
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| .TUX. 21 Sep 16 4.17pm |
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Originally posted by Ray in Houston
Well the "doubling of the debt" meme is a very simplistic view of what has happened to the US economy. Looking at a single measure and using it to damn an entire Presidency is foolish. Before the election even happened, the US (and world) economy was in freefall. It's been estimated that the 2008 crash cost the US economy as much as trillion. The US debt exploded, not because of TARP or other recovery measures, but because The Bush tax cuts had shredded tax revenue - which then plummeted further as the economy sank - and the Iraq/Afghanistan wars which Bush had always kept off the books, i.e. it was never a budget item but funded on the fly by special appropriations. I have attached a graph that shows how each of these extraneous - non-Obama policy related costs helped heap debt on the US. Agreed, which is why i also mentioned unemployment figures along with increasing food stamp usage. Obama is also the first US President ever to fail to reach at least 3% GDP growth figures in a single year. That can also be thrown into the mix. Yes, he inherited a s***storm of an economy, we all know that, but to claim his economic policies have been a success is also 'foolish'. The economic situation he inherited is nothing compared to the economic situation he's leaving.
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| Ray in Houston Houston 21 Sep 16 4.48pm |
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Originally posted by .TUX.
Agreed, which is why i also mentioned unemployment figures along with increasing food stamp usage. Obama is also the first US President ever to fail to reach at least 3% GDP growth figures in a single year. That can also be thrown into the mix. Yes, he inherited a s***storm of an economy, we all know that, but to claim his economic policies have been a success is also 'foolish'. The economic situation he inherited is nothing compared to the economic situation he's leaving. Seriously?
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| Rubin 22 Sep 16 8.31am |
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Here's such a great chap, is Barack: He's supposedly doing it as he's scared to provoke Saudi, yet doesn't mind continually provoking Russia.
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| Rubin 22 Sep 16 8.39am |
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Just imagine the media reaction if Trump was exposed for doing something such as pocketing nearly 100% of aid money donated for a natural disaster:
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| .TUX. 22 Sep 16 9.19am |
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Originally posted by Ray in Houston
The economic situation he inherited is nothing compared to the economic situation he's leaving. Seriously? Yeah, I believe so.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 22 Sep 16 9.54am |
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Originally posted by topcat
The establishment don't care who wins as they always come out on top. Even if Trump got in, do you think anything would actually change? If he tried to implement any of his daft ideas, he would be blocked by Congress. Whilst his party hold a large majority, a lot of them don't like him and wouldn't necessarily back him. Well technically, whoever wins becomes a part of the establishment by definition. This is because the system of democracy is largely a fictional construct aimed at perpetuation of a status quo, rather than as a means of change. Its more notable in the US, but effectively, a similar situation here, the system represents interests in the UK, not the interests of the UK population. As evidenced by the fact that UKIP (who I don't support) can get twice as many votes as the Liberal Democrats, and get 1/10th the positions in parliament.
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