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Meltdown mode all week for Trump. Pleasing to watch.

 

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pefwin Flag Where you have to have an English ... 30 Sep 16 7.38pm

Originally posted by blackpalacefan

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Meltdown mode all week for Trump. Pleasing to watch.

Next wife material then.

 


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View Ray in Houston's Profile Ray in Houston Flag Houston 03 Oct 16 3.28pm Send a Private Message to Ray in Houston Add Ray in Houston as a friend

This week starting out worse for the Trumpster. Someone in Trump Tower emailed out excerpts from his tax returns from the mid-90s, showing him taking a 6 million loss in 1995. Using the tax code that allows him to carry forward losses, it's been projected that he could have used this loss to write off federal taxes for maybe 20 years.

A couple of issues here:

(1) This adds weight to the claim that he hasn't been paying federal taxes; and

(2) He's on record for berating the 50% of Americans who don't pay federal taxes for not paying federal taxes. They don't pay because they don't earn enough.


In reaction, the Trump campaign hasn't denied the validity of the documents, they have simply reiterated that this is "smart" business. Yes, it is, but losing a billion dollars isn't, so that takes a lot of the shine of that nugget.

Lastly, it's notable that he is still refusing to release his full returns. What does this mean? Maybe the full returns contain even more horrors than this! Otherwise, if this was the worst of it, you'd put them out to distract and soften opinion on what we have seen.

Edited by Ray in Houston (03 Oct 2016 3.30pm)

 


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View Stuk's Profile Stuk Flag Top half 03 Oct 16 3.40pm Send a Private Message to Stuk Add Stuk as a friend

Originally posted by Ray in Houston

This week starting out worse for the Trumpster. Someone in Trump Tower emailed out excerpts from his tax returns from the mid-90s, showing him taking a 6 million loss in 1995. Using the tax code that allows him to carry forward losses, it's been projected that he could have used this loss to write off federal taxes for maybe 20 years.

A couple of issues here:

(1) This adds weight to the claim that he hasn't been paying federal taxes; and

(2) He's on record for berating the 50% of Americans who don't pay federal taxes for not paying federal taxes. They don't pay because they don't earn enough.


In reaction, the Trump campaign hasn't denied the validity of the documents, they have simply reiterated that this is "smart" business. Yes, it is, but losing a billion dollars isn't, so that takes a lot of the shine of that nugget.

Lastly, it's notable that he is still refusing to release his full returns. What does this mean? Maybe the full returns contain even more horrors than this! Otherwise, if this was the worst of it, you'd put them out to distract and soften opinion on what we have seen.

Edited by Ray in Houston (03 Oct 2016 3.30pm)


That they're private? I've never understood the US obsession with releasing/demanding personal tax returns in an election.

You're not voting for them based on their net contribution to the economy, which in the case of an individual (even a rich one) is not even a drop in the ocean.

 


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View OknotOK's Profile OknotOK Flag Cockfosters, London 03 Oct 16 3.43pm Send a Private Message to OknotOK Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add OknotOK as a friend

Originally posted by Stuk

That they're private? I've never understood the US obsession with releasing/demanding personal tax returns in an election.

You're not voting for them based on their net contribution to the economy, which in the case of an individual (even a rich one) is not even a drop in the ocean.

I agree, but he has tried to make political capital in the past of those (including Obama and Clinton) who he says haven't paid enough in tax - so it would make him appear massively hypocritical.

And he has based much of his campaign on the idea he is a successful businessman. Massive losses wouldn't support that stance.

 


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View Stuk's Profile Stuk Flag Top half 03 Oct 16 3.49pm Send a Private Message to Stuk Add Stuk as a friend

Originally posted by OknotOK

I agree, but he has tried to make political capital in the past of those (including Obama and Clinton) who he says haven't paid enough in tax - so it would make him appear massively hypocritical.

And he has based much of his campaign on the idea he is a successful businessman. Massive losses wouldn't support that stance.

Unless Obama or Clinton ran multiple large companies, I'd say he's probably raised more tax revenues than either of them had before election.

Phillip Green is a successful businessman but BHS folding wouldn't support that either.

 


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Think it was Nixon and his "I am not a crook" claim (he was) that started the whole ball rolling with all future Presidents and nominees declaring their tax so as not to be tarred.

 


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Originally posted by Kermit8

Think it was Nixon and his "I am not a crook" claim (he was) that started the whole ball rolling with all future Presidents and nominees declaring their tax so as not to be tarred.

Only during the years served as President and the return of the year running up to election. They don't declare return from their final year of office . (I wonder why that is, it's not like their final year is a jolly now is it?)

Only Obama has released returns prior to his election year.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 03 Oct 16 4.49pm

Originally posted by Stuk


That they're private? I've never understood the US obsession with releasing/demanding personal tax returns in an election.

You're not voting for them based on their net contribution to the economy, which in the case of an individual (even a rich one) is not even a drop in the ocean.

I think it might be arguable that someone who evades taxation for personal gain, is necessarily someone who should employed at the cost of the taxpayer, with authority over making budgetary decisions, such as setting taxation rates. Its does seem a bit hypocritical to object to contributing to a country, but to then want to be paid by that country.

Whilst not illegal, a country and its infrastructure are entirely dependent on tax revenue.

 


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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

I think it might be arguable that someone who evades taxation for personal gain, is necessarily someone who should employed at the cost of the taxpayer, with authority over making budgetary decisions, such as setting taxation rates. Its does seem a bit hypocritical to object to contributing to a country, but to then want to be paid by that country.

Whilst not illegal, a country and its infrastructure are entirely dependent on tax revenue.

You mean avoids. Evades equals prison.

And there wouldn't be a single person you could employ were that the rule.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 03 Oct 16 5.03pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

Think it was Nixon and his "I am not a crook" claim (he was) that started the whole ball rolling with all future Presidents and nominees declaring their tax so as not to be tarred.

Oddly, most of the presidents since Nixon have committed far worse actions and not had to resign. What really signed his 'cards' wasn't Watergate, but the taped recordings of him in the Oval office.

I'd imagine he felt somewhat 'unfairly treated' compared to Regan (state sponsor of terrorism, broke the US own embargos), Bush Jnr (stolen election / illegal war) and Clinton (lied under oath used missile strikes to divert attention).

Nixon managed to get the ball started on nuclear proliferation (SALT and ABM), end the draft, start relations with China, introduced a lot of equality legislation, lowered the voting age, oversaw every moon landing, ended the forced assimilation of native Americans establishing self determination, ended the Vietnam war among other things.

 


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Originally posted by Kermit8

Think it was Nixon and his "I am not a crook" claim (he was) that started the whole ball rolling with all future Presidents and nominees declaring their tax so as not to be tarred.


Correct. After Nixon (who released his returns while under audit) it became standard as part of the vetting process.

In Trump's case, it's even more important. He's a businessman with far-reaching interests; seeing his returns will allow us to validate his claims of business acumen, net worth and charitable giving. All of these claims are becoming less credible by the day.

 


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