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 EverybodyDannsNow  SE19 01 Feb 22 6.20pm |
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Originally posted by eaglesdare
Some people are into kinks! Some people love being tied up, kidnapped, gagged...other things I won't say. I have had conversations with girls who have asked for how shall we put this to your innocent mind....strange requests! I have politely declined some of these as it's not my cup of tea but people are into various kinks! Silly to rule it out! But it does look like he is guilty! But dont be closed minded to the things that go on in the world of sex! Right, and the jump from a bit of bondage to those images and audio is enormous. ‘People like some weird s***’ is not a reasonable explanation for the evidence. Not even close to it. Never mind silly to rule it out, it’s pathetic to pretend it’s ruled in.
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| eaglesdare 01 Feb 22 6.24pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
Right, and the jump from a bit of bondage to those images and audio is enormous. ‘People like some weird s***’ is not a reasonable explanation for the evidence. Not even close to it. Never mind silly to rule it out, it’s pathetic to pretend it’s ruled in. Blimey! You are so closed minded! All I am doing is asking the question... What if?
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| Spiderman Horsham 01 Feb 22 6.24pm |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
Although I dislike Man U, it's not their fault. They've suspended Greenwood immediately, not sure what else they can do. Funny how other teams have not suspended players though, and have faced no questioning by the press. Don’t forget Utd backed C**tona to the hilt, so their moral compass is up for discussion.
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BlueJay  UK 01 Feb 22 6.33pm |
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Originally posted by eaglesdare
Some people are into kinks! Some people love being tied up, kidnapped, gagged...other things I won't say. I have had conversations with girls who have asked for how shall we put this to your innocent mind....strange requests! I have politely declined some of these as it's not my cup of tea but people are into various kinks! Silly to rule it out! But it does look like he is guilty! But dont be closed minded to the things that go on in the world of sex! Though again, if you're stating that the violence present in the images presented is a 'kink', it is still breaking the law. Or that the whole thing may be a 'put on' fake injuries, and threats of violence and rape, then some kind of 'stitch up' to make make him like a monster, well I'm sure these things will be looked at, but we should of course weigh it up against what we're seeing and hearing and the arrest and re-arrest. Let's not get overly into some kind of enthusiastic 'guide to kink' here as it's a bit tone deaf considering the gravity of what may have taken place.
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| eaglesdare 01 Feb 22 6.43pm |
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Originally posted by BlueJay
Though again, if you're stating that the violence present in the images presented is a 'kink', it is still breaking the law. Or that the whole thing may be a 'put on' fake injuries, and threats of violence and rape, then some kind of 'stitch up' to make make him like a monster, well I'm sure these things will be looked at, but we should of course weigh it up against what we're seeing and hearing and the arrest and re-arrest. Let's not get overly into some kind of enthusiastic 'guide to kink' here as it's a bit tone deaf considering the gravity of what may have taken place. I do agree! He probably is guilty and deserves to be locked up! Just saying there could be a what if? And feel it shouldn't be a trial by media!
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| BlueJay UK 01 Feb 22 7.05pm |
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Originally posted by eaglesdare
I do agree! He probably is guilty and deserves to be locked up! Just saying there could be a what if? And feel it shouldn't be a trial by media! Yes, it's fair enough to state what, say, a defense may be from his perspective. He has his work cut out based on what's out there, but time will tell.
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eagleman13  On The Road To Hell & Alicante 01 Feb 22 7.39pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
If you’ve engaged in anything similar to what you hear and see in this case, I’d also suggest you should seek help. In role play scenario, yes. I'm not making excuses for what has happened, just agreeing with another poster, that things of 'similar' ilk(ie role play with faux violence ie bdsm, exist). Why should I or any other seek help, I quite enjoyed it at the time, so did all participants. As I alluded to in my post(which you'd do well to read properly), I hope the police conduct a thorough investigation & bring charges based on facts, not supposition.
This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise. |
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| rikz Croydon 01 Feb 22 7.53pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
If you’ve engaged in anything similar to what you hear and see in this case, I’d also suggest you should seek help. A quarter of straight p*** searches by women are for videos featuring violence against their own sex, Researchers found that 52 percent of the women had fantasies about forced sex with a man, 32 percent about being raped and 28 percent about forced oral sex with a man. Overall, 62 percent of the women reported having had at least one fantasy around a forced sex act. Seems a lot of women need help.
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| Midlands Eagle 02 Feb 22 8.28am |
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Originally posted by eaglesdare
Just saying there could be a what if? And feel it shouldn't be a trial by media! I agree but the trial by media was started by his girlfriend who chose to put all of the evidence on social media rather than taking it to the police
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| Spiderman Horsham 02 Feb 22 8.46am |
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Originally posted by BlueJay
Yes, it's fair enough to state what, say, a defense may be from his perspective. He has his work cut out based on what's out there, but time will tell. I suspect his defence team are trawling through her past with a fine tooth comb as we speak.
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| Stirlingsays 02 Feb 22 8.55am |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
Right, and the jump from a bit of bondage to those images and audio is enormous. ‘People like some weird s***’ is not a reasonable explanation for the evidence. Not even close to it. Never mind silly to rule it out, it’s pathetic to pretend it’s ruled in. I think the bloodied video clip, if that's blood, would be a bit extreme and unlikely and the audio clip doesn't really sound right for a rough sex defence...whereas the leg bruising could ..and consensual rough sex and the weird stuff does most definitely exist. It's legitimate for the Police to look into an extortion claim, if that's made. But like you I think most of us think that this is occam's razor and that he's essentially a rapey wrong un. Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Feb 2022 8.57am)
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| Badger11 Beckenham 02 Feb 22 8.57am |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
I suspect his defence team are trawling through her past with a fine tooth comb as we speak. I suspect you are correct and that is totally wrong. Didn't a certain football get their rape conviction over turned because the appeal judge allowed the victim's previous sexual history to be taken into account. The only evidence that should be permitted is that related to the current incident.
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| Stirlingsays 02 Feb 22 8.58am |
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Originally posted by Badger11
I suspect you are correct and that is totally wrong. Didn't a certain football get their rape conviction over turned because the appeal judge allowed the victim's previous sexual history to be taken into account. The only evidence that should be permitted is that related to the current incident. But her past would relate as the context would matter. For example, a rough or weird sex defence could be strengthened or weakened by the testimony of former boyfriends. Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Feb 2022 9.03am)
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| Badger11 Beckenham 02 Feb 22 9.09am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
But her past would relate as the context would matter. For example, a rough or weird sex defence could be strengthened or weakened by the testimony of former boyfriends. Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Feb 2022 9.03am) Perhaps but that is up to the judge, in the case I was thinking about I found the decision outrageous and irrelevant and for once I was on the side of the Wimmin.
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| Stirlingsays 02 Feb 22 9.20am |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Perhaps but that is up to the judge, in the case I was thinking about I found the decision outrageous and irrelevant and for once I was on the side of the Wimmin. I use to think of the justice system as something to be proud of but when you look into its past and indeed its present you see 'activist' judges, 'political' judges and all different types where it's sometimes much more of a lottery....I suppose that's why the jury system is there as a balance....but even that doesn't work sometimes as we saw with the 'statutes criminal damage' case recently. Being someone who is naturally conservative and only really interested in the truth of a matter rather than supporting a side it's all rather depressing. Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Feb 2022 9.21am)
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| Badger11 Beckenham 02 Feb 22 9.49am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I use to think of the justice system as something to be proud of but when you look into its past and indeed its present you see 'activist' judges, 'political' judges and all different types where it's sometimes much more of a lottery....I suppose that's why the jury system is there as a balance....but even that doesn't work sometimes as we saw with the 'statutes criminal damage' case recently. Being someone who is naturally conservative and only really interested in the truth of a matter rather than supporting a side it's all rather depressing.
I have jury service in a couple of weeks I am dreading it. I just hope we get open and shut cases and nothing with a touch of politics / racism. Otherwise I can see me sitting in the corner on my own with 11 others glowering at me.
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| BlueJay UK 02 Feb 22 10.48am |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Perhaps but that is up to the judge, in the case I was thinking about I found the decision outrageous and irrelevant and for once I was on the side of the Wimmin. Yes, it's important not to lurch from the lunacy of 'believe all women' to an equivalent in the other direction. One or two seem a bit perplexed at why she didn't just wander into a police station and say what happened, but really when there are fanciful lines of thought and get outs it makes it very clear why she documented and recorded. The video and audio in combination create very little room for explaining away. From the 'hacked' response from the family it could be perceived that she may not have had optimal support, so this was most likely a brief moment of bravery and cry for help. My concern would be that she could backtrack and underplay with far fetched 'roleplay' type explanations. I fully expect that they have her phone and other devices, as well as his and will be able to build a full picture of what is going on. I doubt it'll be a particularly pretty one. Edited by BlueJay (02 Feb 2022 10.48am)
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| BlueJay UK 02 Feb 22 10.53am |
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Originally posted by Badger11
I have jury service in a couple of weeks I am dreading it. I just hope we get open and shut cases and nothing with a touch of politics / racism. Otherwise I can see me sitting in the corner on my own with 11 others glowering at me. You seem like a perfectly sensible person so I'm sure you'll just be able to take as you find. For one the amount of political type cases is radically overblown so it's unlikely anyway, and secondly if it is that kind of thing, then you just have to go with to go with what you think it fair and reasonable in the context of the facts (rather than aligned with this politics or that). It's unlikely you'd end up in a 'me against the world (or jury at least!) situation.
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| Spiderman Horsham 02 Feb 22 11.07am |
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Originally posted by Badger11
I have jury service in a couple of weeks I am dreading it. I just hope we get open and shut cases and nothing with a touch of politics / racism. Otherwise I can see me sitting in the corner on my own with 11 others glowering at me. Will you be forever known as the HOLs answer to Henry Fonda?
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