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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 31 Jan 22 5.36pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Would he have done it if she was a black girl and would chauvinn have knelt on a white guy.

 

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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 31 Jan 22 5.39pm Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

I'm probably being naive in the ways of the young but how and why was Greenwood's rant recorded

 

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View CrazyBadger's Profile CrazyBadger Flag Ware 31 Jan 22 5.51pm Send a Private Message to CrazyBadger Add CrazyBadger as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Exactly my point - if a court decide that evidence is not permissible, why should that affect how me and you (not the legal system) judge him? The audio is very clearly him and it's very clear what he says.

My whole point is that the threshold for society to condemn someone for something like this should be considerably lower than the threshold for a legal conviction, which are nigh on impossible to achieve.

For a third time; what version of events could Greenwood provide that would satisfy you he's done nothing wrong? You keep referring to his side of the story, but I don't see anything he can say which makes that recording ok... hypothetically, what could that look like? Was it out of context? A joke? I'll take any reasonable explanation.

Given the 1.6% figure I've already provided you, I'd suggest sitting back and letting the police get on with it is a terrible course of action for a family who have suffered something like this.

As far as I'm concerned it is far from clear that the audio is him or her for that matter, As I have not sat down and compared their voices, though it is clear what 'he' says. Conversely, why should you judge a person based purely on one version of events? I don't know the accuser, or how trustworthy they are all I have is hearsay.

Regardless of how I judge him, Social media is not the Place to state as fact when it is not.

I haven't answered the question in red, as I am not here to speculate. suffice to say it doesn't look good on the surface, I cannot offer an explanation, but that does not mean there is not onw. I do not think it's right to judge without the right of reply.

My main overriding point is that we need to have faith in the system - even if it's not perfect, and improve it where we can.

 


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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 31 Jan 22 5.56pm Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

I'm probably being naive in the ways of the young but how and why was Greenwood's rant recorded

Presumably she recorded it covertly to try and have some evidence of the abuse she was facing.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 31 Jan 22 6.00pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Exactly my point - if a court decide that evidence is not permissible, why should that affect how me and you (not the legal system) judge him? The audio is very clearly him and it's very clear what he says.

My whole point is that the threshold for society to condemn someone for something like this should be considerably lower than the threshold for a legal conviction, which are nigh on impossible to achieve.

For a third time; what version of events could Greenwood provide that would satisfy you he's done nothing wrong? You keep referring to his side of the story, but I don't see anything he can say which makes that recording ok... hypothetically, what could that look like? Was it out of context? A joke? I'll take any reasonable explanation.

Given the 1.6% figure I've already provided you, I'd suggest sitting back and letting the police get on with it is a terrible course of action for a family who have suffered something like this.

This is a bit awkward because it seems like I'm defending someone who probably has raped this woman but I'm curious what you actually think that recording proves with no doubt.

I only listened to it once but I didn't hear a rape on that recording. What I hear was sex turned down and a threat amongst a clearly dysfunctional relationship.

You want to throw the book at him, which if he's a rapist I clearly agree with....but you also seem to think that he shouldn't be given a proper hearing.

That is not justice.

 


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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 31 Jan 22 6.03pm Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by CrazyBadger

As far as I'm concerned it is far from clear that the audio is him or her for that matter, As I have not sat down and compared their voices, though it is clear what 'he' says. Conversely, why should you judge a person based purely on one version of events? I don't know the accuser, or how trustworthy they are all I have is hearsay.

Regardless of how I judge him, Social media is not the Place to state as fact when it is not.

I haven't answered the question in red, as I am not here to speculate. suffice to say it doesn't look good on the surface, I cannot offer an explanation, but that does not mean there is not onw. I do not think it's right to judge without the right of reply.

My main overriding point is that we need to have faith in the system - even if it's not perfect, and improve it where we can.

Your first paragraph genuinely reads like a defence attorney - your position seems genuine but I hope you recognise the harm these type of responses do in dissuading other victims to come forward - this woman literally got it on tape and is being doubted and having her trustworthiness questioned - narratives like this are a big part of why the conviction rate sits so disgracefully low.

Again, how does one have faith in a system that so plainly doesnít work?

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 31 Jan 22 6.06pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

I've been out this afternoon and I've just got back so maybe things have moved on since this morning but from what I heard from the father and this girl's initial comments seem to suggest that they don't want to destroy Greenwood's career.

Perhaps it's a case of 'not wanting to kill the golden goose' situation as he's their meal ticket. However, once those images and recording became public record the game's afoot and.....if he is a rapey b******....she's better off getting what money she can.....because if she refuses to prosecute, he's going to drop her like a cheap suit....the relationship I mean.

All seems highly dysfunctional. I wouldn't let a daughter of mine be involved in that 'golden goose' or not.....I'd be looking to chin him.

Edited by Stirlingsays (31 Jan 2022 6.06pm)

 


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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 31 Jan 22 6.07pm Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

This is a bit awkward because it seems like I'm defending someone who probably has raped this woman but I'm curious what you actually think that recording proves with no doubt.

I only listened to it once but I didn't hear a rape on that recording. What I hear was sex turned down and a threat amongst a clearly dysfunctional relationship.

You want to throw the book at him, which if he's a rapist I clearly agree with....but you also seem to think that he shouldn't be given a proper hearing.

That is not justice.

Again, itís not about what it proves with no doubt, because we are not in a court of law - but as you acknowledge, it allows you to very confidently assert that heís an abuser at best, and a rapist at worst - why do I need more information than that to make a judgement about what type of bloke he is.

At no point have I said that legally he should not have a fair hearing, but given the history of convictions in this space, I certainly wonít be waiting for the guilty verdict to decide he is scum.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 31 Jan 22 6.10pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Your first paragraph genuinely reads like a defence attorney - your position seems genuine but I hope you recognise the harm these type of responses do in dissuading other victims to come forward - this woman literally got it on tape and is being doubted and having her trustworthiness questioned - narratives like this are a big part of why the conviction rate sits so disgracefully low.

Again, how does one have faith in a system that so plainly doesnít work?


Not all crimes are the same when it comes to proving them.

Rape without physical evidence is a he said/she said. There have been men convicted of rape who later turned out to have been victims of false accusations. Personally I don't think it's acceptable to say that because a crime is hard to prove that we should lower the standards on conviction.

 


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 31 Jan 22 6.14pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Again, itís not about what it proves with no doubt, because we are not in a court of law - but as you acknowledge, it allows you to very confidently assert that heís an abuser at best, and a rapist at worst - why do I need more information than that to make a judgement about what type of bloke he is.

At no point have I said that legally he should not have a fair hearing, but given the history of convictions in this space, I certainly wonít be waiting for the guilty verdict to decide he is scum.

I think we can all tell he's scum.

He's also probably a rapist.

I have genuine sympathy for your anger because it's a crime that frequently goes unpunished.

 


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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 31 Jan 22 6.16pm Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays


Not all crimes are the same when it comes to proving them.

Rape without physical evidence is a he said/she said. There have been men convicted of rape who later turned out to have been victims of false accusations. Personally I don't think it's acceptable to say that because a crime is hard to prove that we should lower the standards on conviction.

It sounds entirely logical to me.

How do you reckon the men falsely convicted or rape stack up against the women who have been raped without any one being convicted?

 

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View Palace Old Geezer's Profile Palace Old Geezer Flag Midhurst 31 Jan 22 6.18pm Send a Private Message to Palace Old Geezer Add Palace Old Geezer as a friend

I sincerely hope none of our boys ever behave in the way it is alleged Greenwood has.

Not only has it brought disgrace to him, but also to his club. I would be ashamed if Palace were dragged into the kind of scrutiny that this case is likely to bring to Man U.

If true, his behaviour was appalling.

 


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