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Lyons550 Flag Shirley 25 Nov 19 12.06pm

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

This is a little one eyed. It also seems like you’re saying we work hard and earn massive amounts of money so therefore we should retain it all. Being a top earner myself, this sort of attitude really f***s me off. Mental

These are assumptions, but why not...

‘Ridiculous amount of tax’ is relative. Yes if you’re earning 10m a year, you’ll be paying more tax than most people earn over several decades. Non starter. You knew the rules when you decided to move to an insanely expensive part of London and build your businesses.

From the limited amount of information you provide, it doesn’t really sound like you’re on the breadline.

• X2 kids in an inner city private school - 20/30k each per year

• Both own your own businesses and use dividend as salary, likely pay close to the minimum personal salary, get paid in dividends, with the majority charged at the higher rate of tax (like myself)

• employing 12 people indicates a reasonable turnover, for both businesses combined let’s say minimum 3-5m a year

• for arguments sake, combined personal salaries/dividends of 3-400k

• own a property in w12, 1-2 million minimum

Taking into account corporation tax and dividend tax on those figures, even if they’re a bit less than that you’re hardly left with nothing. Or should I say, ‘the little we have left’. Pull the other one.

Especially when any perceived lack of disposable is your own choice - choosing to spend 40-60k on your kids education, private healthcare, whilst living in W12 and no doubt the lifestyle/keeping up appearances nonsense that accompanies that. It almost sounds like you want some sort of tax credits for doing so. Incredible.

Your combined disposable monthly income alone after tax is most likely close to or more than the average UK wage of a paramedic.

Yeah you pay more tax, as do I as a top rate earner and there’s a good reason for that. Could the systems that distribute it back Be better? f*** yes. Do I resort to lazy stereotypes when discussing how said money gets spent? No. Could the government do more to prevent people from gaming the system? Yes. Do the majority of people on benefits game the system? No.

‘We get nothing back for it’. You’re not supposed to. Especially when you’re earning that much. Don’t like it? Move elsewhere to a more corrupt society so you can game the system, pay less tax and have ethically questionable political influence to satisfy your needs.

...or downsize the business, lay off staff to do so and prevent their taxes from entering the system....SW19 I agree with a lot of what you posted as I do with W12...what i would say though is that 'historically' when taxes have been raised so has the unemployment rate...low taxes mean more businesses investing in jobs and the economy...taxes aren't the ONLY way to get money in the system...it's the easiest, but not the ONLY way

 


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EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 25 Nov 19 2.01pm

Originally posted by Badger11

My view on the Tory manifesto is steady as she goes. Boris has shown his true colours he is a one nation Tory not really as radical as some would suggest.

This is the type of Manifesto that the clueless Theresa May should have delivered in 2017. It appeals to the faithful and gives the undecided a clear choice.

Vote Tory and you get Brexit no big tax rises and money for the NHS. Or take a gamble and vote Labour for big tax and spending and god knows what on the EU.

If you are risk averse it's a no brainer.

How are they still allowed to peddle this s***? At which point do we just get to point to the state of every and any public service as proof of the Tory policy on it?

 

EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 25 Nov 19 2.02pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I started to feel sorry for her. She was embarrassing.

Boris wasn't impressive but he got stitched up good and proper by the comrades at the BBC.

Stitched up how?

 

Deleted11 25 Nov 19 2.25pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Stitched up how?

I second that question. How can you get stitched up when you only have 2 sentences that you repeat every minute.

The Tory manifesto isn't great in anyway. Nothing new or innovative. It's very much a 'May' manifesto, but without the dementia tax. Not inspiring, if Brexit isn't the only issue you find important.

 

Stirlingsays Flag 25 Nov 19 2.25pm

Originally posted by Lyons550

...or downsize the business, lay off staff to do so and prevent their taxes from entering the system....SW19 I agree with a lot of what you posted as I do with W12...what i would say though is that 'historically' when taxes have been raised so has the unemployment rate...low taxes mean more businesses investing in jobs and the economy...taxes aren't the ONLY way to get money in the system...it's the easiest, but not the ONLY way

Yang Gang!

Gimme....gimme....GIMME!

I'm joking of course.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 25 Nov 19 2.28pm

Originally posted by Jway89

I second that question. How can you get stitched up when you only have 2 sentences that you repeat every minute.

The Tory manifesto isn't great in anyway. Nothing new or innovative. It's very much a 'May' manifesto, but without the dementia tax. Not inspiring, if Brexit isn't the only issue you find important.

Well Boris is a pretty boring standard neo liberal conservative,......but just with good jokes.

More right wing than May perhaps...but more in line with the party generally.

 


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Deleted11 25 Nov 19 2.50pm

Labour couldn't have been given a bigger boost than what has happened today.
Tony Blair states that it would not be good to give Corbyn's Labour a majority. If that doesn't make you want to vote Labour, I don't know what does
This guy is so out of touch it's laughable.

 

Matov Flag 25 Nov 19 2.55pm

Not sure how the tech works but something seems wrong with my YouTube settings at the moment. I keep on getting an advert with Jeremy Corbyn sitting in the back of a moving car wanting to explain his manifesto to me in 60 seconds. LOL.

 


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cryrst Flag The garden of England 25 Nov 19 3.50pm

Boris just said that labour normally leave power with the country bankrupt.
Hes just said they are going to start it that way this time.

 

palace_in_frogland Flag In a broken dream 25 Nov 19 4.00pm

Originally posted by Matov

Not sure how the tech works but something seems wrong with my YouTube settings at the moment. I keep on getting an advert with Jeremy Corbyn sitting in the back of a moving car wanting to explain his manifesto to me in 60 seconds. LOL.

That must be the sequel to the one where he’s sat on the floor of the half empty train moaning about the lack of seats.

 

ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 25 Nov 19 4.23pm

Originally posted by Matov

Not sure how the tech works but something seems wrong with my YouTube settings at the moment. I keep on getting an advert with Jeremy Corbyn sitting in the back of a moving car wanting to explain his manifesto to me in 60 seconds. LOL.

Can be explained in one word, doesn't require 60 seconds.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 25 Nov 19 5.11pm

Originally posted by palace_in_frogland

That must be the sequel to the one where he’s sat on the floor of the half empty train moaning about the lack of seats.

The Great Feign Robbery.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 25 Nov 19 9.09pm

45 Labour elected
47 Britain bankrupt

64 Labour elected
64 Britain bankrupt

75 Labour elected
76 Britain bankrupt

97 Labour
08 Britain bankrupt

Though they only have partial blame for the 08 bankruptcy.

 


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Invalid user 2019 Flag 25 Nov 19 11.16pm

Voting by social class UPPER/MIDDLE Conservatives 40% Labour 29% LibDem 19% WORKING CLASS Conservative 45% Labour 31% LibDem 12% @ YouGov

 

cryrst Flag The garden of England 26 Nov 19 6.05am

Last minute pull from the labour manifesto was the reversal of single person discount on council tax.
Would have,or even might (depending if they have taken enough tax!) Affected 3 million pensioners by about £300 PA.
Nice one pinky and perky.

 

jeeagles Flag 26 Nov 19 7.22am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

97 Labour
08 Britain bankrupt

Though they only have partial blame for the 08 bankruptcy.

True, but that was the moderate part of the party. It's now in the grip of lunatics.

Everytime I seem make an announcement about lack of controls in private sector housing recently I've wanted to point out that it was their lack of regulation in the housing market that lead to 120% loan to value by to let mortgages which messed the housing sector and the economy up in the first place.

You wouldn't trust Boris round your misses , but then you just wouldn't trust Labour with anything.

 

EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 26 Nov 19 7.24am

Originally posted by dollardays

Voting by social class UPPER/MIDDLE Conservatives 40% Labour 29% LibDem 19% WORKING CLASS Conservative 45% Labour 31% LibDem 12% @ YouGov

45% of the working class voting Tory is really something.

 

Badger11 Flag Beckenham 26 Nov 19 8.00am

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

45% of the working class voting Tory is really something.

Says more about the Labour party then the Tories.

A friend is a sociologist and a published author she did a study into white working work attitudes. Her conclusion unsurprisingly is that Labour has failed the working classes for decades and that is why we have Brexit and anger over immigration.

I think she has a point and it must hurt her to say it as she is as left as they come.

I think many working class people look at the Labour front bench stuffed full of elite privately educated public schools south east types who are professional politicians and never had a real job in their life.

Corbyn and the Islington / Hampstead set. "Have you met the poor? Marvellous people, another cappuccino?"

Edited by Badger11 (26 Nov 2019 8.01am)

 


One more point

Badger11 Flag Beckenham 26 Nov 19 8.07am

Originally posted by jeeagles

True, but that was the moderate part of the party. It's now in the grip of lunatics.

Everytime I seem make an announcement about lack of controls in private sector housing recently I've wanted to point out that it was their lack of regulation in the housing market that lead to 120% loan to value by to let mortgages which messed the housing sector and the economy up in the first place.

You wouldn't trust Boris round your misses , but then you just wouldn't trust Labour with anything.

Nicely summed up.

Labour keep banging on about you can't trust Johnson. The problem with that is that when you start talking about trust issue people will inevitably compare Johnson and Corbyn.

Johnson has a car crash personal life and dodgy personal morals. Corbyn also has a dodgy personal life but for some reason that is glossed over. What people think about Corbyn is tea with terrorists and anti-Semitism. Bringing trust into the election is probably a mistake as it is going to rebound on Labour.

 


One more point

jeeagles Flag 26 Nov 19 8.22am

Originally posted by Badger11

Nicely summed up.

Labour keep banging on about you can't trust Johnson. The problem with that is that when you start talking about trust issue people will inevitably compare Johnson and Corbyn.

Johnson has a car crash personal life and dodgy personal morals. Corbyn also has a dodgy personal life but for some reason that is glossed over. What people think about Corbyn is tea with terrorists and anti-Semitism. Bringing trust into the election is probably a mistake as it is going to rebound on Labour.

Corbyn has been married 3 times and cheated on one of his wives with Dianne Abbot. Dropped out of university through arguments what they were teaching, and wasn't able to hold down a job.

But he is softly spoken and will hug you if your house burns down so that makes him nice.

 

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