Next year post Brexit I expect the EU member states to make a number of key decisions as suggested by their President.

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I expect they will vote for closer centralised controls over the euro, finances, taxation, defence and security. This will not happen over night but they will publish a roadmap towards closer centralised integration. There is no secret to this all of this stuff is available on the EU website.

Good luck to them it's not what I would want. Once these plans are announced I do wonder how many Remainers will still be that keen in staying / re-joining.

Come to think of it how often to you hear Remain politicians State that the is no status quo. The choice here is change either outside or inside the EU, funny they forget to mention that.

One more point

No it can’t

Knowledge moves on.

Primary school teachers did not need Degrees in the past

Mmmmmm....surely most basic nursing skills are little different...at least not to the extent of requiring degrees...and for where specialisation is required I have already answered.

As for degree requirements at teaching primary level....What serious improvements have degrees at primary level resulted in?...I know all about how statistics are manipulated and 'gamed'. Personally I'd say good A level results was more than enough for primary but that's just my view.

Also again, you are still comparing different professions as if they were the same.....Nursing has been carried out in this country without degree requirement since until very recently.

In my view its introduction was damaging elitist nonsense which very predictably significantly reduced applications and with the vote to leave the EU showed up those who advocated for it as rather short sighted.

Anyway, I've had my say and I at least withdraw my earlier criticism that you wouldn't engage in a discussion in and around your profession with a layman like myself.

Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Oct 2018 11.38pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Apparently we are going to get a Brexit 50p.

I might send one to Gina Miller and suggest she swallows it, but she shouldn't expect any change.

One more point

Channeling your inner George Osborne?

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Now, now. Can't be critical of the elected politicians you so steadfastly defend

Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

Thank you Stirling

I can't find anything online any more on how much training SRNs did, I recall it was plenty.

The difference really is that was whilst they worked, so they were paid during study. The support previously given to getting a nursing Degree has now gone, what a dumb move.

You defend the UK democractic process as in your eyes the EU is not democratic, but you didn't vote for Cameron, you didn't for vote for Osbourne, or May. However, you did vote UKIP, who didn't get a single seat in Parliament, go figure.

So when people argue about democracy you do wonder what part of democracy they are defending because as voters you actually hold very little power.

Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

Fair comment but one is not exclusive of the other Brexit is just the start.:

- Brexit
- UK Bill of Rights to replace the European Court of Human Rights
- Halve the The House of Lords, make it elected by proportional representation with a set number of seats.
- Reduce the number of MP's in Parliament.
- Devolve more power to the national and regional assemblies.

There will be others but the above is a good start.

One more point

I'm hoping the 2021 census raises a few eyebrows, I doubt anything will change though we will just be told we need more & more immigration & for anyone to speak up against it will be smeared with the usual npc responses.

Brilliant video here by iconoclast
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The mountains are calling & I must go.