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 Stirlingsays  26 Nov 19 2.16pm |
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Originally posted by SpyroCrystal
Don't vote, farage sold out, all other parties are a sham. Down with 'Democracy', monarchy was better. I'm reminded of the Roman general Scipio crying at the complete destruction of Cartage at the realisation that all cities and nations (and so Rome) will ultimately meet their doom....as that is the nature of man. It doesn't matter what the structure is....democracy, monarchy it all gets torn down eventually. What you won't fight for, you will lose......and what you will fight for...will eventually be lost by descendants who grow fearful of fighting. Not that I think it worthless to fight the dying of the light, as for all we can influence is within a brief timescale.....Better to shape what you can rather than to meekly go into the light. Human nature is there to teach us all.
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| SpyroCrystal 26 Nov 19 2.20pm |
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Disagree man Democracy has allowed is the best system for the 'powers that be' to create a world that they like best... it is truly a fake and dangerous system. It creates a class of people which are reflected and defend it to the death and keeps people in a state of illusion. Just look at England now compared to before. It is also being forced onto Africa and is a joke system. Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I'm reminded of the Roman general Scipio crying at the complete destruction of Cartage at the realisation that all cities and nations (and so Rome) will ultimately meet their doom....as that is the nature of man. It doesn't matter what the structure is....democracy, monarchy it all gets torn down eventually. What you won't fight for, you will lose......and what you will fight for...will eventually be lost by descendants who grow fearful of fighting. Not that I think it worthless to fight the dying of the light, as for all we can influence is within a brief timescale.....Better to shape what you can rather than to meekly go into the light. Human nature is there to teach us all.
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| Stirlingsays 26 Nov 19 2.25pm |
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Originally posted by Matov
The Jewish population in the UK is amongst the most assimilated there is, with its own internal divisions also far sharper than popular opinion would have it. It simply cannot be considered a specific electoral bloc. You wrote an excellent post and on this point I'd agree with you on assimilation (up to a point). I view Jews as a positive. However, they are a majority voting block for the left....it's just statistically true and has been true since the world wars. Though we all know of right wing Jewish figures and....indeed, they are even...rather comically, to be found on the far or dissident right. Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Nov 2019 2.26pm)
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| Stirlingsays 26 Nov 19 2.29pm |
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Originally posted by SpyroCrystal
Disagree man Democracy has allowed is the best system for the 'powers that be' to create a world that they like best... it is truly a fake and dangerous system. It creates a class of people which are reflected and defend it to the death and keeps people in a state of illusion. Just look at England now compared to before. It is also being forced onto Africa and is a joke system. Yep, I'd agree with the long term criticism if Democracy. I was just saying that Democracy or this form of it, like all systems, will itself eventually fall and be replaced. I was making a wider philosophical point.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 26 Nov 19 2.39pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
You wrote an excellent post and on this point I'd agree with you on assimilation (up to a point). I view Jews as a positive. However, they are a majority voting block for the left....it's just statistically true and has been true since the world wars. Though we all know of right wing Jewish figures and....indeed, they are even...rather comically, to be found on the far or dissident right. Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Nov 2019 2.26pm) I’ve often wondered how true this is considering the professional and financial success and voting constituencies of many British Jewish citizens and behind a lot of the envy and resentment (today in the Labour Party). (And I put that down to family structure, encouragement and bossy mothers) Obviously all aren’t the same and I remember Jewish Vanessa Feltz saying something derogatory about ‘city Jews’ after classifying her fellow Jews into 3 or 5 different groups. But you don’t see many poor Jews and over time society has voted according to its socio economic group rather than freedoms, self determination (overlapping I know). Well that’s how it feels when it comes down to polling day. How much it costs the voter. Also possibly some pulling the drawbridge up when it comes to offering help further afield? Edited by Rudi Hedman (26 Nov 2019 2.40pm)
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| SpyroCrystal 26 Nov 19 2.48pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Yep, I'd agree with the long term criticism if Democracy. I was just saying that Democracy or this form of it, like all systems, will itself eventually fall and be replaced. I was making a wider philosophical point.
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| chris123 hove actually 26 Nov 19 2.53pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
The greatest irony is that this Corbyn Labour Party has been rejected by Jewish interests, the Jews being the very people who probably influenced most, post war, Left wing policy on race and religious issues and the Right wing bad mantra. For those of us who have warned against the scourge identity politics, it is a double edged sword. It is hilarious to see Labour being the victim of an environment that it helped create, but at the same time, it is depressing to see how much minority interests and identity are already playing a part in British politics. The Labour response? An initiative on race and faith and accuse the Tories of 'Islamophobia'. 'God' help us. And if you don't listen to the Chief Rabbi, I'm not sure who you do listen to.
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| Stirlingsays 26 Nov 19 2.57pm |
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Originally posted by SpyroCrystal
Some think we are heading towards a Corporatocracy.....I see the danger of that but I reckon we are heading towards socialism....which will limit corporations. Demographic change will drive it and do gooders will be the Turkeys voting for Christmas thinking....like the Russian sailors in 1917....that they will be fine. Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Nov 2019 2.58pm)
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 Hrolf The Ganger 26 Nov 19 3.07pm |
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Originally posted by chris123
And if you don't listen to the Chief Rabbi, I'm not sure who you do listen to. It's the hypocrisy of claiming the moral high ground and then taking sides with terrorist and anti Jewish groups. It just highlights the absurdity of identity politics and the cynical nature of the Corbyn's far left Labour. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (26 Nov 2019 3.08pm)
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| SpyroCrystal 26 Nov 19 3.13pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Some think we are heading towards a Corporatocracy.....I see the danger of that but I reckon we are heading towards socialism....which will limit corporations. Demographic change will drive it and do gooders will be the Turkeys voting for Christmas thinking....like the Russian sailors in 1917....that they will be fine. Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Nov 2019 2.58pm)
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| Matov 26 Nov 19 3.20pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
What’s this defrauding of our VAT system for billions? The scam is a relatively simple one involving exporting goods and claiming back the VAT. Except the goods either do not exist or else the same ones are being channeled back into the system time and time again. This is a recent report on it from the Sunday Times. Sorry if it is behind a paywall but I am sure you can access it from other sources...
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 26 Nov 19 3.35pm |
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Originally posted by Matov
The scam is a relatively simple one involving exporting goods and claiming back the VAT. Except the goods either do not exist or else the same ones are being channeled back into the system time and time again. This is a recent report on it from the Sunday Times. Sorry if it is behind a paywall but I am sure you can access it from other sources... Thanks. Partly what I expected. Al Qaeda also would’ve placed trades before 9/11 and 7/7 but with untraceable links. But this vat scam in Britain is again an outrageous decision to leave a selected group carry on while other groups are investigated. Should be unbelievable but not surprised.
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| Stirlingsays 26 Nov 19 4.25pm |
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Originally posted by SpyroCrystal
I know that Lenin said that socialism leads to communism. Ultimately though I can't say that Marx or Lenin were wrong on this.......All systems are eventually over-turned via generational and/or demographical change. The only way to avoid it is via severe oppression....as you see in China and the Middle East....but eventually the above realities will even do for that. While the universe exists the only certainty is change. That said, fight for the society you believe in....As that's the one your children will live in.....and then it's their job to work to maintain or change that. Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Nov 2019 4.43pm)
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| Matov 26 Nov 19 4.55pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Thanks. Partly what I expected. Al Qaeda also would’ve placed trades before 9/11 and 7/7 but with untraceable links. But this vat scam in Britain is again an outrageous decision to leave a selected group carry on while other groups are investigated. Should be unbelievable but not surprised.
And it is accross the entire system. Yes, Labour are the ones most proactive in protecting these organised criminal gangs for their own electoral gain but the Tories are also remarkably quiet on it. The entire system needs pulling down.
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johnno42000  26 Nov 19 6.50pm |
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A glimpse of the future from the past? also a really good series.
'Lies to the masses as are like fly's to mollasses...they want more and more and more' |
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| johnno42000 26 Nov 19 7.34pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Corbyn answering Andrew Neil on how he’d pay for the WASPI pensions is embarrassing for Labour. As bad as it gets. ‘Where will you get the money on top of the borrowing we’ve just spoken about?’ ‘It’ll be paid for with govt reserves.’ ‘We don’t have any’ Repeat at least 5 or more times. Yes we do (at least according to this) [Link]
'Lies to the masses as are like fly's to mollasses...they want more and more and more' |
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| Badger11 Beckenham 26 Nov 19 7.35pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Corbyn answering Andrew Neil on how he’d pay for the WASPI pensions is embarrassing for Labour. As bad as it gets. ‘Where will you get the money on top of the borrowing we’ve just spoken about?’ ‘It’ll be paid for with govt reserves.’ ‘We don’t have any’ Repeat at least 5 or more times. I haven't seen it but apparently last night Andrew Neil take Wee Jimmy Krankie to pieces. I bet the others are dreading their turn.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 26 Nov 19 7.43pm |
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Originally posted by johnno42000
Yes we do (at least according to this) [Link] But we are still in debt and the main thrust of the interview was tax, tax, tax, borrowing, borrowing, borrowing. I’d be confident if I knew it was for a limited time, which it would be but unfortunately because it would no doubt get out of control.
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| johnno42000 26 Nov 19 7.50pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
But we are still in debt and the main thrust of the interview was tax, tax, tax, borrowing, borrowing, borrowing. I’d be confident if I knew it was for a limited time, which it would be but unfortunately because it would no doubt get out of control. I was just surprised he stated something that was so incorrect. As for borrowing we could do an America, their debt is $22 trillion!!!!
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