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| W12 28 Nov 19 10.00am | |
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Originally posted by Jway89
With all due respect, that is not proof. Those are soundbites along the lines of 'getting brexit done'. He has appointed justices to the supreme court. Tell me a president who doesnt. Average median income has been rising at about 2% per year since 2011ish. I havent gone too deep into going before, but imagine it was low arounf 2008. He brought some manufacturing jobs back and done something on Nafta and put through tax cuts, which pretty much every republican president does. He has done F all with the china trade deal apart from help his wall street buddies get even richer by tweeting if a deal is likely to be made or not sending the dow up or down. He has done an amazing trade deal with the Saudis though. I hear his new hotel there is going to be amazing. Draining the swamp? I may be wrong here, but is Steve Mnuchin, a former Goldman Sachs banker his head of treasury? Now we may disagree but i would put anyone from GS as being pretty swampy. Black and Latino support? I cant see that happening. Theres only so much Kanye can do. Amazingly enough, there has been no news on the wall. Look we can support whoever we want, but when its blindly done then as a society we have been hoodwinked beyond saving.
Immigration Approval with blacks and Hispanics Economy (even stronger figures I believe since this article)
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| Deleted11 28 Nov 19 11.22am | |
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Originally posted by W12
Immigration Approval with blacks and Hispanics Economy (even stronger figures I believe since this article) We may need to carry this on in another forum, but I will try to relate this to our election. So many promises that are made, never become a reality. I hear the term 'post truth' being said, but this is how politics, at least in my lifetime, has always been. The only truth is that until monopolies are broken, a wealth tax introduced and limiting how political parties are funded and limiting what politicians can do in regards to being shareholders, owners of businesses, then you are basically a turkey voting for xmas, but at least you like the farmer.
Trump's approval by B&H
The Wall
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| W12 28 Nov 19 11.54am | |
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Originally posted by Jway89
We may need to carry this on in another forum, but I will try to relate this to our election. So many promises that are made, never become a reality. I hear the term 'post truth' being said, but this is how politics, at least in my lifetime, has always been. The only truth is that until monopolies are broken, a wealth tax introduced and limiting how political parties are funded and limiting what politicians can do in regards to being shareholders, owners of businesses, then you are basically a turkey voting for xmas, but at least you like the farmer.
Trump's approval by B&H
The Wall Yes but I've sent you links that are left biased and you have sent me the same (BBC and NBC). Like I said you can find a millions articles on the left spinning everything Trump related in a highly negative way (and flat out lying) but if you dig deep enough he is pretty much winning on all fronts and they are having to start to admit this, even the ones he was supposed to be weak on like foreign policy (look at all the fuss over his withdrawal from Syria which the left have now conveniently forgotten about). The left have very short memories. I don't agree with your comments on the US economy at all. Look at the wage growth especially and combine that with tax cuts and that's what'e really makes a difference to peoples lives - screw the GDP. Also, the world economy was stalling when he took over and it still is in Europe and many other places. It also makes a huge difference having a leader that loves his own country and has his first priority as the safety and prosperity of his own people. Edited by W12 (28 Nov 2019 12.03pm) Edited by W12 (28 Nov 2019 12.41pm)
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Originally posted by W12
Yes but I've sent you links that are left biased and you have sent me the same (BBC and NBC). Like I said you can find a millions articles on the left spinning everything Trump related in a highly negative way (and flat out lying) but if you dig deep enough he is pretty much winning on all fronts, even the ones he was supposed to be weak on like foreign policy (look at all the fuss over his withdrawal from Syria which the left have now conveniently forgotten about). The left have very short memories. I don't agree with your comments on the US economy at all. Look at the wage growth especially and combine that with tax cuts and that's what'e really makes a difference to peoples lives - screw the GDP. Also, the world economy was stalling when he took over and it still is in Europe and many other places. It also makes a huge difference having a leader that loves his own country and has his first priority as the safety and prosperity of his own people. Edited by W12 (28 Nov 2019 12.03pm) Put up the right wing ones. My goal is to get to the facts, so left and right is irrelevant. That's why I go to the gov's own site to check their own charts out, for example, the Dept of Homeland Security, shows that he hasn't cut immigration at all. They should be the most bias right? Most Left and Right wingers would agree that this proliferation of wars and drone attacks should be stopped, however, you also have to make the decisions based on the actuality. You have a group of people that have basically been fighting ISIS with/for you and your response is to abandon them and this is the guy/country you think is going to give us a great deal? I also say country, because Obama's rhetoric on putting the UK at the back of the queue was also ludicrous. Again, with the economy, the tax cuts haven't really had the amazing effect to GDP that was promised. There has been a massive spike to all the indices and they are hitting record highs, but by that logic, Tony Blair/Gordon Brown were amazing leaders too, as the FTSE hit record highs before the crash in 2008. If you want to invest your money, the 3 main areas are; Stocks and Shares, Bonds and Stores of value (Metals/Crypto). If bonds aren't paying interest and there's debt flying about all over the place for companies like Apple to borrow millions of $ to buy back their stock, which increases the share price. Not sure how that helps the average person. 'He loves his Country"? I don't see how that makes anyone good at anything.
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| W12 28 Nov 19 1.22pm | |
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Originally posted by Jway89
Put up the right wing ones. My goal is to get to the facts, so left and right is irrelevant. That's why I go to the gov's own site to check their own charts out, for example, the Dept of Homeland Security, shows that he hasn't cut immigration at all. They should be the most bias right? Most Left and Right wingers would agree that this proliferation of wars and drone attacks should be stopped, however, you also have to make the decisions based on the actuality. You have a group of people that have basically been fighting ISIS with/for you and your response is to abandon them and this is the guy/country you think is going to give us a great deal? I also say country, because Obama's rhetoric on putting the UK at the back of the queue was also ludicrous. Again, with the economy, the tax cuts haven't really had the amazing effect to GDP that was promised. There has been a massive spike to all the indices and they are hitting record highs, but by that logic, Tony Blair/Gordon Brown were amazing leaders too, as the FTSE hit record highs before the crash in 2008. If you want to invest your money, the 3 main areas are; Stocks and Shares, Bonds and Stores of value (Metals/Crypto). If bonds aren't paying interest and there's debt flying about all over the place for companies like Apple to borrow millions of $ to buy back their stock, which increases the share price. Not sure how that helps the average person. 'He loves his Country"? I don't see how that makes anyone good at anything. Difficult to know where to start with that other than you are clearly confused. Unfortunately don't have time to unpack that at the moment. "Tony Blair/Gordon Brown were amazing leaders too" - Jeezus!
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| Deleted11 28 Nov 19 2.14pm | |
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Originally posted by W12
Difficult to know where to start with that other than you are clearly confused. Unfortunately don't have time to unpack that at the moment. "Tony Blair/Gordon Brown were amazing leaders too" - Jeezus! Exactly. If you are going to put out measurements and conclude that one person is an amazing leader then you are going to have to accept something you may not be comfortable with, which is that old Tony had the same effect as Trump, if anything was better in some areas. Blair increased wages, GDP and debt, however the latter at a much smaller rate than Trump. This can all be seen on the Office of National Statistics (UK) and the Government's departmental agencies (USA). The issue with Blair is mainly joining GW Bush in the illegal Iraq war and anyone who thinks Cameron or Boris or any other leader would've done any different is in Cuckoo Land. Also, the net migration levels, which the Tories haven't dropped to pre Blair levels. Oh, and Tony really loved his Country and it's people. A true Brit.
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Originally posted by Jway89
Exactly. If you are going to put out measurements and conclude that one person is an amazing leader then you are going to have to accept something you may not be comfortable with, which is that old Tony had the same effect as Trump, if anything was better in some areas. Blair increased wages, GDP and debt, however the latter at a much smaller rate than Trump. This can all be seen on the Office of National Statistics (UK) and the Government's departmental agencies (USA). The issue with Blair is mainly joining GW Bush in the illegal Iraq war and anyone who thinks Cameron or Boris or any other leader would've done any different is in Cuckoo Land. Also, the net migration levels, which the Tories haven't dropped to pre Blair levels. Oh, and Tony really loved his Country and it's people. A true Brit. bulls***, the only thing the Bliars love is money, sacks of it.......he is a war criminal and should be treated as such
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Originally posted by Badger11
So when the Russians are marching down Pall Mall Corbyn will still be telling the country how do we know they are Russian They were all singing Kalinka
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| Deleted11 28 Nov 19 5.47pm | |
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Originally posted by the silurian
Correct. That was a sarcastic comment in response to Trump loving the US. As he should, he's making money hand over fist out of the love for his Country.
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You really believe he gives a crap about money in his bank.
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| Deleted11 28 Nov 19 8.26pm | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
You really believe he gives a crap about money in his bank. Yes. You see money as something you use to pay for. People like Trump, The Clintons, Rees Mogg, Blair see it as a source of power. The more they have, the more they can influence. Just to prove it, look at all the billionaire reactions to Bernie Sander's wealth tax, which would still keep them in the top 0.1%. If theyve got enough why are they being so snowflaky about it? If someone told me i could be a billionaire but id have to pay 2% of my wealth a year, over £50m, i along with everyone, bar 5000 odd people, on this planet would take it. Edited by Jway89 (28 Nov 2019 8.27pm)
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Originally posted by the silurian
bulls***, the only thing the Bliars love is money, sacks of it.......he is a war criminal and should be treated as such Whether you like it or not, you and everyone else profited under his premiership. And for those of a tax shy persuasion who keep harping on about how ‘amazingly well’ trump is/has been doing, he’s certainly doing amazingly well against the extremely low bar that was set for him, I’d agree. For anyone else, more or less average. Which I’ll admit, is way better than I thought he’d be. Aside from turning the presidency into a constant circus of course, but this is AMERICA after all.
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
Whether you like it or not, you and everyone else profited under his premiership. And for those of a tax shy persuasion who keep harping on about how ‘amazingly well’ trump is/has been doing, he’s certainly doing amazingly well against the extremely low bar that was set for him, I’d agree. For anyone else, more or less average. Which I’ll admit, is way better than I thought he’d be. Aside from turning the presidency into a constant circus of course, but this is AMERICA after all. I'm struggling to think of anything important to the US's future that Trump has done badly on. So called 'experts' predicted disaster on tax and trade and his policies have actually been beneficial for them
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I'm struggling to think of anything important to the US's future that Trump has done badly on. So called 'experts' predicted disaster on tax and trade and his policies have actually been beneficial for them The bull market has been going for 10 year now and doesn't look like slowing down yet.
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Originally posted by Badger11
Meanwhile back at the ranch...
Are C4 going to have a single issue debate on the biggest issue of this campaign Brexit? I hope so if they do don't be surprised if Corbyn ducks it. As for the debate itself I was watching the football I hear the most interesting thing of the night was watching the ice melt under the studio lights. In actual fact the Conservatives were willing to send Michael Gove to participate but C4 asserted that it was for leaders only, in fact he went to the studios but was refused participation in the debate.To "Empty chair" was a political stunt.Shame on C4. Edited by Willo (29 Nov 2019 8.43am)
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Originally posted by Willo
In actual fact the Conservatives were willing to send Michael Gove to participate but C4 asserted that it was for leaders only, in fact he went to the studios but was refused participation in the debate.To "Empty chair" was a political stunt.Shame on C4. Edited by Willo (29 Nov 2019 8.43am) Where was his boss? The coward.
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