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 Mwncisee  Middlesbrough 20 Jul 20 11.12am |
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Originally posted by Willo
The "Proven manager" is Roy Hodgson, who has been offered and agreed to a new contract and will be in situ next season. Edited by Willo (20 Jul 2020 9.35am) As you have responded to me in a previous post Willo, you know that I believe without the change of investors Roy will be in charge next year and I expect us to spend very little on transfers in the summer (probably a couple of free transfers and younger low cost signings). If investment can be found (which I doubt) I think SP will want to chase Dyche.
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HesHereHesThere  Beckenham 20 Jul 20 11.54am |
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Really Roy? FFS what message does this send to the youth!
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 20 Jul 20 12.12pm |
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Originally posted by HesHereHesThere
Really Roy? FFS what message does this send to the youth! I totally understand Hodgson's thinking on this matter. I never for a moment considered the possibility that he would introduce youngsters into the fray in these circumstances.
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| HesHereHesThere Beckenham 20 Jul 20 12.22pm |
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Originally posted by Willo
I never for a moment considered the possibility that he would introduce youngsters into the fray in these circumstances. That's the spirit Willo say no to you youth development and keep with the same team of ageing senior players that are bored s***less with Roy's style of football (as are the rest of us). We've lost six so what if we lose eight? at least the yoot have been given a go, they might even give the oldies something to think about eh!
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 20 Jul 20 12.45pm |
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Originally posted by SwordFish
It’s amazing how most of HOL and twitter no more about our youth players than Roy Hodgson In the not too distant past there were strident calls for some of our academy players to be given a chance but the ones that were mentioned have hardly gone on to 'shine' elsewhere.AWB is an exception of course. Edited by Willo (20 Jul 2020 12.46pm)
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| NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 20 Jul 20 12.48pm |
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Originally posted by SwordFish
It’s amazing how most of HOL and twitter no more about our youth players than Roy Hodgson Exactly. You have to assume that these people are speaking from the experience of having watched our youth teams regularly and are experts in knowing when a young player is ready for the step up. Otherwise it could just be another thing to blame Hodgson for...surely not
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jeeagles  20 Jul 20 12.54pm |
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Originally posted by HesHereHesThere
Really Roy? FFS what message does this send to the youth! Hopefully he's digging a grave for himself. We'll lose the next too matches with dour performances. It's no wonder the squad look demotivated. He's pretty much told them that they are just on the books to make up the numbers and have no future. Not even an oportunity to prove they could have a future. Players know if they are on the bench that they won't come on. they'll simply bit sat there to watch more senior players lose. Even when there's nothing to play for, and sub slots left to use, the manager won't give them a chance to prove to him he may have got the selection at tactics wrong. Or if the manager graciously gives them 8 minutes whilst the team are 4-0 down, then they will need to give him a bottle of wine. Senior players, don't really mind about not being selected if there is nothing to play for. A good manager would be able to explain a senior play why they aren't being selected. Whilst youth and findge players should be eager to come on and prove a point. We could have used these last few games as friendlies for a new manager to work out the players, formations, set peices, and match plans for next season. Instead, we are just going follow the Field Marshal Hauge tactic of repeating what isn't working with an insain idea that results might change. Sack this idiot. He should never have had a career in football.
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 20 Jul 20 1.07pm |
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Originally posted by jeeagles
Hopefully he's digging a grave for himself. We'll lose the next too matches with dour performances. It's no wonder the squad look demotivated. He's pretty much told them that they are just on the books to make up the numbers and have no future. Not even an oportunity to prove they could have a future. Players know if they are on the bench that they won't come on. they'll simply bit sat there to watch more senior players lose. Even when there's nothing to play for, and sub slots left to use, the manager won't give them a chance to prove to him he may have got the selection at tactics wrong. Or if the manager graciously gives them 8 minutes whilst the team are 4-0 down, then they will need to give him a bottle of wine. Senior players, don't really mind about not being selected if there is nothing to play for. A good manager would be able to explain a senior play why they aren't being selected. Whilst youth and findge players should be eager to come on and prove a point. We could have used these last few games as friendlies for a new manager to work out the players, formations, set peices, and match plans for next season. Instead, we are just going follow the Field Marshal Hauge tactic of repeating what isn't working with an insain idea that results might change. Sack this idiot. He should never have had a career in football. Such comments are highly disrespectful towards an experienced football manager, who has managed for nigh on 44 years both at club and international level and has won titles and cups along the way.
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| NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 20 Jul 20 1.33pm |
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Originally posted by jeeagles
Hopefully he's digging a grave for himself. We'll lose the next too matches with dour performances. It's no wonder the squad look demotivated. He's pretty much told them that they are just on the books to make up the numbers and have no future. Not even an oportunity to prove they could have a future. Players know if they are on the bench that they won't come on. they'll simply bit sat there to watch more senior players lose. Even when there's nothing to play for, and sub slots left to use, the manager won't give them a chance to prove to him he may have got the selection at tactics wrong. Or if the manager graciously gives them 8 minutes whilst the team are 4-0 down, then they will need to give him a bottle of wine. Senior players, don't really mind about not being selected if there is nothing to play for. A good manager would be able to explain a senior play why they aren't being selected. Whilst youth and findge players should be eager to come on and prove a point. We could have used these last few games as friendlies for a new manager to work out the players, formations, set peices, and match plans for next season. Instead, we are just going follow the Field Marshal Hauge tactic of repeating what isn't working with an insain idea that results might change. Sack this idiot. He should never have had a career in football. Priceless. Between you and Hodgson there is only one idiot. And it's not Hodgson.
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 20 Jul 20 1.45pm |
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Originally posted by Willo
I totally understand Hodgson's thinking on this matter. I never for a moment considered the possibility that he would introduce youngsters into the fray in these circumstances. What circumstances would those be? Relatively meaningless fixtures when the majority of the first team are woefully out of form? Isn’t that quite literally the ideal time to blood a couple of youngsters?
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Ian-VI  Vicenza 20 Jul 20 1.51pm |
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Originally posted by HesHereHesThere
Really Roy? FFS what message does this send to the youth! Totally agree with him, in particular because of the low quality of the youth players involved (Sam Woods failed even at Hamilton...). Edited by Ian-VI (20 Jul 2020 1.57pm)
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| SwordFish Peasmarsh,East Sussex 20 Jul 20 1.54pm |
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Originally posted by jeeagles
Hopefully he's digging a grave for himself. We'll lose the next too matches with dour performances. It's no wonder the squad look demotivated. He's pretty much told them that they are just on the books to make up the numbers and have no future. Not even an oportunity to prove they could have a future. Players know if they are on the bench that they won't come on. they'll simply bit sat there to watch more senior players lose. Even when there's nothing to play for, and sub slots left to use, the manager won't give them a chance to prove to him he may have got the selection at tactics wrong. Or if the manager graciously gives them 8 minutes whilst the team are 4-0 down, then they will need to give him a bottle of wine. Senior players, don't really mind about not being selected if there is nothing to play for. A good manager would be able to explain a senior play why they aren't being selected. Whilst youth and findge players should be eager to come on and prove a point. We could have used these last few games as friendlies for a new manager to work out the players, formations, set peices, and match plans for next season. Instead, we are just going follow the Field Marshal Hauge tactic of repeating what isn't working with an insain idea that results might change. Sack this idiot. He should never have had a career in football. All I can do is laugh at this comment , there is nothing else to do. Imagine another clubs fans reading comments like that? It’s embarrassing , some of our fans have lost the plot
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| Ian-VI Vicenza 20 Jul 20 1.54pm |
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Originally posted by jeeagles
Hopefully he's digging a grave for himself. We'll lose the next too matches with dour performances. It's no wonder the squad look demotivated. He's pretty much told them that they are just on the books to make up the numbers and have no future. Not even an oportunity to prove they could have a future. Players know if they are on the bench that they won't come on. they'll simply bit sat there to watch more senior players lose. Even when there's nothing to play for, and sub slots left to use, the manager won't give them a chance to prove to him he may have got the selection at tactics wrong. Or if the manager graciously gives them 8 minutes whilst the team are 4-0 down, then they will need to give him a bottle of wine. Senior players, don't really mind about not being selected if there is nothing to play for. A good manager would be able to explain a senior play why they aren't being selected. Whilst youth and findge players should be eager to come on and prove a point. We could have used these last few games as friendlies for a new manager to work out the players, formations, set peices, and match plans for next season. Instead, we are just going follow the Field Marshal Hauge tactic of repeating what isn't working with an insain idea that results might change. Sack this idiot. He should never have had a career in football. You didn't need to write this whole thing to prove us you haven't got the wildest idea of how a club (even at amateur level) is run, what it involves, the man management etc.
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| SwordFish Peasmarsh,East Sussex 20 Jul 20 1.55pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
What circumstances would those be? Relatively meaningless fixtures when the majority of the first team are woefully out of form? Isn’t that quite literally the ideal time to blood a couple of youngsters? Maybe , just maybe , these youngsters arnt good enough and our manager who watches them day after day may know a bit more about them than you do? Unless you go to all youth games and have experience of coaching?
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| Putitout Oxford 20 Jul 20 2.04pm |
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Originally posted by NEILLO
Exactly. You have to assume that these people are speaking from the experience of having watched our youth teams regularly and are experts in knowing when a young player is ready for the step up. Otherwise it could just be another thing to blame Hodgson for...surely not Seen them a number of of times , Nothing to get to excited about most struggle to impress overly at under 23 .Rarely against future premier talent. Pierrick, Mitchell, deserve a look ,and that’s what they get . Most of the kids are struggling to make a future , exposing them to to much pressure to early in their development can be totally counter productive . Some will develop but throwing them in because nothing else seems to work. Is wishful thinking at best.
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 20 Jul 20 2.09pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
What circumstances would those be? Relatively meaningless fixtures when the majority of the first team are woefully out of form? Isn’t that quite literally the ideal time to blood a couple of youngsters? When the team has lost 6 games in succession and further defeats could mean ending the season on the back of 8 losses, I would respectfully suggest that the remaining fixtures are not meaningless, especially as league placements affect the money from the PL. In terms of "Youngsters", they have to be of sufficient standing, besides, games against teams towards the top of the table when one's team has been struggling, are not ideal games to 'blood' younger players.Placing them in the spotlight in these circumstances can be counter productive. Edited by Willo (20 Jul 2020 2.11pm)
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| HesHereHesThere Beckenham 20 Jul 20 2.17pm |
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Originally posted by Putitout
Seen them a number of of times , Nothing to get to excited about most struggle to impress overly at under 23 .Rarely against future premier talent. Pierrick, Mitchell, deserve a look ,and that’s what they get . Most of the kids are struggling to make a future , exposing them to to much pressure to early in their development can be totally counter productive . Some will develop but throwing them in because nothing else seems to work. Is wishful thinking at best. Too much pressure...really? We're talking abut two games no-one really gives a monkey's about behind closed doors and people are worried about these poor little poppets...they're U23's for christ sake they're men not 15-16 year olds....the world's gone mad, we'll have Harry Kane taking corners next!
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