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 Stirlingsays  29 Nov 19 12.42pm |
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Originally posted by Jway89
Me. Sarcastic. You have the wrong man Sir. As always though, this is a symptom of a larger problem. I am sure both sides will find bias in all media, but the lady at the end, on QT, summed it up quite perfectly, which is that the media is controlled by a handful of people and to think they are not imposing their views on the rest of the country is quite absurd. Oh...careful, we don't want any truth bombs here! Originally posted by Jway89
I made a point earlier that about 80% of newspapers were right wing, which I had a lot of 'feedback' on. I still stand by that, because I base it on papers 'sold' not quantity of papers that are left or right, e.g. the top circulated papers are The Sun, DM, Times, Mirror, Evening Standard, Daily Express and Daily Star. For example the 3 biggest media corporations are owed by 3-5 people, which has about 85% of the newspaper market - Sun, DM and Mirror. That does not sound healthy in any way. I'd say the majority of newspapers are neo liberal conservative.....That said, I don't really see my socially conservative views expressed because the modern day Tories have adopted much of the left's social philosophy....and that's filtered into their newspapers. However, newspaper circulation is dwarfed by broadcast media.....and the UK right has zero representation there. So in no way is there any equalization....or indeed representation outside of a few political 'takes' on either left or right. Originally posted by Jway89
So, my initial statement on the BBC being bias just because they haven't managed to get Boris in is silly, however, I could make the argument that they lean right just by the fact of having their head of politics ending up being a Conservative party advisor. Sir Robbie Gibb. The BBC are neo liberals....because they are middle class and like champagne. That's the only connection they have with.....one section of the Conservative party....admittedly the wing that's been in charge of it since Thatcher left (and she started out neo liberal herself). Originally posted by Jway89
Now, you can argue that he may have been professional, but, the argument always comes back to equality. If Boris was made to look like an idiot by Neil and Corbyn didn't turn up, it is a fact that a lot on here would be up in arms. I don't believe in 'equality'.....I believe in 'fairness'....and in that sense you're correct. Boris could be rinsed by O'Neil because he's said a lot....and I mean a lot of spicy stuff as a journalist and even after. Much of it I agree with but none of it politically correct or prudent for a Prime Minster.....So I'm not surprised he's running. But he will address it eventually....because he has no choice.
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| Stirlingsays 29 Nov 19 12.49pm |
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Originally posted by chris123
Maybe politics and life follow different rules, compromise on a political point and half the country thinks you're a liar. On a personal level, aiming to do what's right seems a good credo.
You need to have personal principles in life to respect yourself....Because you have to be able to look at yourself in the mirror. But you also have to be very careful about what those principles are...they have to be grounded in reality...because 'nice guys' rarely do well. When we look at the Green party we see a lot of people who just don't understand that.
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I don't believe in 'equality'.....I believe in 'fairness'....and in that sense you're correct.
Equality of outcomes/fairness is all an interpretation. I would say you believe in of equality of outcomes, just at a different % than others. I've always found the notion of conservatism being destroyed. I think Peter Hitchens has said this too. So, being too lazy to try and figure out what that is, could you provide 5 things that define true conservatism, which the new conservatives have strayed from?
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| chris123 hove actually 29 Nov 19 12.54pm |
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Originally posted by Jway89
Me. Sarcastic. You have the wrong man Sir. As always though, this is a symptom of a larger problem. I am sure both sides will find bias in all media, but the lady at the end, on QT, summed it up quite perfectly, which is that the media is controlled by a handful of people and to think they are not imposing their views on the rest of the country is quite absurd. I made a point earlier that about 80% of newspapers were right wing, which I had a lot of 'feedback' on. I still stand by that, because I base it on papers 'sold' not quantity of papers that are left or right, e.g. the top circulated papers are The Sun, DM, Times, Mirror, Evening Standard, Daily Express and Daily Star. For example the 3 biggest media corporations are owed by 3-5 people, which has about 85% of the newspaper market - Sun, DM and Mirror. That does not sound healthy in any way. So, my initial statement on the BBC being bias just because they haven't managed to get Boris in is silly, however, I could make the argument that they lean right just by the fact of having their head of politics ending up being a Conservative party advisor. Sir Robbie Gibb. Now, you can argue that he may have been professional, but, the argument always comes back to equality. If Boris was made to look like an idiot by Neil and Corbyn didn't turn up, it is a fact that a lot on here would be up in arms. Newspapers are only as good as their journalists. At a micro level I read some stuff I agree with, some stuff I don't and some that gets me thinking. I don't buy the Guardian, but someone posted a link to an article by Simon Jenkins, and it was a good read.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 29 Nov 19 12.57pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I don't believe in 'equality'.....I believe in 'fairness'....and in that sense you're correct. Much of it I agree with but none of it politically correct or prudent for a Prime Minster.....So I'm not surprised he's running. But he will address it eventually....because he has no choice.
Yep, and fear of saying some things lots of people think because you’ll get lambasted isn’t right and why we get ourselves in situations from seeing the seeds of self damage. Saying what people think and believe. How awful.
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| Stirlingsays 29 Nov 19 1.02pm |
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Originally posted by Jway89
Equality of outcomes/fairness is all an interpretation. I would say you believe in of equality of outcomes, just at a different % than others. I've always found the notion of conservatism being destroyed. I think Peter Hitchens has said this too. So, being too lazy to try and figure out what that is, could you provide 5 things that define true conservatism, which the new conservatives have strayed from? LGBTQ whatever that is. There are probably more but I'm multi tasking at the moment.
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| chris123 hove actually 29 Nov 19 1.05pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
LGBTQ whatever that is. There are probably more but I'm multi tasking at the moment. Minimum state invention?
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| Deleted11 29 Nov 19 1.06pm | |
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Originally posted by chris123
But that is the point, right. We don't have news in the sense of informing people on what is happening, bringing on experts and stating options on how to deal with it. We have things like QT, which is pointless and not fit for purpose, even though I still watch it, which gives about 10 minutes to politicians to say the others are crap. They had 1 economist on yesterday. The Economy is so important and you see 1 or 2 in a whole series, but then they'll have some actor or singer on, who knows just as much as the member of the audience. It's beyond stupid.
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| Stirlingsays 29 Nov 19 1.06pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Growing up I wondered how all the cars coming in on Sundays in the local catholic Church were very expensive. I was cynical very early on, with some exposure to some other cvnts. (Step relation) (The priest and caretaker didn’t turn a blind eye to football there or cricket on Sundays when the football season had finished.) Can’t stand liars and hypocrites have to oblige them a few minutes now and then. There's a purity and moralism in religion that is very attractive....if unrealistic. However you succinctly identify that essentially its application is very patchy.....The closer you get to the actual text the harder it is to justify wealth. It becomes the 'interpretation Olympics'. Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Nov 2019 1.15pm)
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| Stirlingsays 29 Nov 19 1.11pm |
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Originally posted by chris123
Minimum state invention? I don't know if that's social conservatism but rather more libertarianism.....related certainly. There are probably better voices to speak on it than myself.
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| chris123 hove actually 29 Nov 19 1.11pm |
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Originally posted by Jway89
But that is the point, right. We don't have news in the sense of informing people on what is happening, bringing on experts and stating options on how to deal with it. We have things like QT, which is pointless and not fit for purpose, even though I still watch it, which gives about 10 minutes to politicians to say the others are crap. They had 1 economist on yesterday. The Economy is so important and you see 1 or 2 in a whole series, but then they'll have some actor or singer on, who knows just as much as the member of the audience. It's beyond stupid. What paper do you read then?
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HKOwen  Hong Kong 29 Nov 19 1.15pm |
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Martin O'Neil has become a political journalist? Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I don't believe in 'equality'.....I believe in 'fairness'....and in that sense you're correct. Boris could be rinsed by O'Neil because he's said a lot....and I mean a lot of spicy stuff as a journalist and even after. Much of it I agree with but none of it politically correct or prudent for a Prime Minster.....So I'm not surprised he's running. But he will address it eventually....because he has no choice.
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| chris123 hove actually 29 Nov 19 1.20pm |
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Originally posted by HKOwen
Martin O'Neil has become a political journalist? A logical step for one of Clough's boys.
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| Stirlingsays 29 Nov 19 1.22pm |
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Originally posted by Jway89
Equality of outcomes/fairness is all an interpretation. I would say you believe in of equality of outcomes, just at a different % than others. I've always found the notion of conservatism being destroyed. I think Peter Hitchens has said this too. So, being too lazy to try and figure out what that is, could you provide 5 things that define true conservatism, which the new conservatives have strayed from? A way to illustrate the difference between believing in fairness as opposed to equality....would be say, women's football. If you had 'equality of outcomes', women footballers would be paid the same as male footballers.....Obviously due to the differences in the fiscal value both generate that would be highly unfair to the men's game. For an opposite example....it would be crazy if all fashion models were paid the same when obviously female fashion models are normally the stand out stars. Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Nov 2019 1.24pm)
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
LGBTQ whatever that is. 1) Not too sure if you are referring to the Q or the whole line. Is the conservative stance against it?
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), but I think the notion of being a Palace supporter would corrode. It's the same for Nationalism, imo. I think the older generation that lived through the wars and after do have that us against them mentality, but when you don't have any wars, where's the 'incentive' for everyone to fight for 'their country'? | Stirlingsays 29 Nov 19 1.26pm |
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Originally posted by HKOwen
Martin O'Neil has become a political journalist? Mmmmm....strange....why was I calling him O'Neil instead of Neil. Weird.
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| Stirlingsays 29 Nov 19 1.30pm |
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Originally posted by Jway89
1) Not too sure if you are referring to the Q or the whole line. Is the conservative stance against it? There's room for a debate on social conservative v neo liberalism and other stances.....but we probably don't want to get into the weeds on the election thread. Probably needs its own thread, I'll start one tomorrow...going out Christmas shopping. Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Nov 2019 1.31pm)
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| Deleted11 29 Nov 19 1.32pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
A way to illustrate the difference between believing in fairness as opposed to equality....would be say, women's football. If you had 'equality of outcomes', women footballers would be paid the same as male footballers..... Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Nov 2019 1.24pm) But you do believe they should be paid, just not as much yet? Equality of outcome. Doesn't even have to be the women's game. Look at someone like Andy Carroll. Was at West Ham on £90k a week, then compare his record to someone like Glen Murray, who we should never have sold. Is that fair?
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 Hrolf The Ganger 29 Nov 19 1.47pm |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
Boris is most definitely not wise. He's evasive and slippery – much like his puppet master. That said, I'd probably be doing the same as him to reduce the possibility of losing support by entering into a fair fight. Gamesmanship, calculated cowardice and general shirking – not very honourable but certainly tactically astute. A perfect description of Jeremy Corbyn.
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