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Stirlingsays 18 Jan 22 7.40pm
The guy who wants us in the EU writes, 'The whole system is set up against individual thought and independent action. We end up with sheep in the lobbies.' Double think. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

18 Jan 22 7.40pm

The guy who wants us in the EU writes, 'The whole system is set up against individual thought and independent action. We end up with sheep in the lobbies.'

Double think.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 18 Jan 22 7.44pm
Originally posted by cryrst It was a shot across the bow. The BBC know its possible so either change their snidey,left wing bias against hmg or it will happen. If the tories win in 2024 they will s*** a brick as 2027 is when the help ends. You are another who sees bias because you yourself are biased. As a centrist I can assure you their output is fair and balanced. Left-wingers complain every bit as much as you do. God help us all if we get another 5 years of this type of government. I am quite happy to see another Tory government provided it returns to a basis of morality and decency in government, but fear that is really unlikely. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 18 Jan 22 7.44pm

Originally posted by cryrst

It was a shot across the bow. The BBC know its possible so either change their snidey,left wing bias against hmg or it will happen. If the tories win in 2024 they will s*** a brick as 2027 is when the help ends.

You are another who sees bias because you yourself are biased. As a centrist I can assure you their output is fair and balanced. Left-wingers complain every bit as much as you do.

God help us all if we get another 5 years of this type of government. I am quite happy to see another Tory government provided it returns to a basis of morality and decency in government, but fear that is really unlikely.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

cryrst The garden of England 18 Jan 22 7.47pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle You are another who sees bias because you yourself are biased. As a centrist I can assure you their output is fair and balanced. Left-wingers complain every bit as much as you do. God help us all if we get another 5 years of this type of government. I am quite happy to see another Tory government provided it returns to a basis of morality and decency in government, but fear that is really unlikely. You won't if it's maggies conservatism. That's the point ; you want it diluted and are happy if it is. Real conservatism is not in keeping with your wants and admitting it hurts you as it shows you really are a lefty.

cryrst

The garden of England 18 Jan 22 7.47pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

You are another who sees bias because you yourself are biased. As a centrist I can assure you their output is fair and balanced. Left-wingers complain every bit as much as you do.

You won't if it's maggies conservatism.
That's the point ; you want it diluted and are happy if it is.
Real conservatism is not in keeping with your wants and admitting it hurts you as it shows you really are a lefty.

cryrst The garden of England 18 Jan 22 7.49pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I realise that. The problem is we have a populist government with their backs to the wall. I don't trust them at all and think they are more than capable of doing stupid things just to keep themselves in power. Just look at the way Johnson treated the Tory dissenters over Brexit. Imagine what he might do with any BBC licence fee defenders who dared to threaten to vote against him. Or what local Parties might do when they have to select again. The whole system is set up against individual thought and independent action. We end up with sheep in the lobbies. Just look back at the mines closing and come again!!!

cryrst

The garden of England 18 Jan 22 7.49pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I realise that. The problem is we have a populist government with their backs to the wall. I don't trust them at all and think they are more than capable of doing stupid things just to keep themselves in power.

Just look at the way Johnson treated the Tory dissenters over Brexit. Imagine what he might do with any BBC licence fee defenders who dared to threaten to vote against him. Or what local Parties might do when they have to select again. The whole system is set up against individual thought and independent action. We end up with sheep in the lobbies.

Just look back at the mines closing and come again!!!

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 18 Jan 22 8.28pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays The guy who wants us in the EU writes, 'The whole system is set up against individual thought and independent action. We end up with sheep in the lobbies.' Double think. Reading that you would think that being a member of the EU meant we no longer had a sovereign Parliament. The EU moves forward by agreement, not by diktat, on all important issues. The idea that we were ever going to be submersed in any kind of federal Europe, let alone that we already were, was always nonsense. Subsidiarity is often forgotten, but it's the vital principle underpinning what the EU does. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 18 Jan 22 8.28pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

The guy who wants us in the EU writes, 'The whole system is set up against individual thought and independent action. We end up with sheep in the lobbies.'

Double think.

Reading that you would think that being a member of the EU meant we no longer had a sovereign Parliament. The EU moves forward by agreement, not by diktat, on all important issues.

The idea that we were ever going to be submersed in any kind of federal Europe, let alone that we already were, was always nonsense.

Subsidiarity is often forgotten, but it's the vital principle underpinning what the EU does.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 18 Jan 22 8.34pm
Originally posted by cryrst You won't if it's maggies conservatism. That's the point ; you want it diluted and are happy if it is. Real conservatism is not in keeping with your wants and admitting it hurts you as it shows you really are a lefty. Why should Thatcher's brand of conservatism be real, and Heseltine's not be? They represented the two wings of the Tory Party, wings that have always existed. Both are real. I have always been on the Heseltine wing. We now have a government which is neither. Thatcher would be ashamed of Johnson. Despite her many faults she was a lady of principle and strong moral conviction. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 18 Jan 22 8.34pm

Originally posted by cryrst

Why should Thatcher's brand of conservatism be real, and Heseltine's not be? They represented the two wings of the Tory Party, wings that have always existed. Both are real. I have always been on the Heseltine wing. We now have a government which is neither. Thatcher would be ashamed of Johnson. Despite her many faults she was a lady of principle and strong moral conviction.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

HKOwen Hong Kong 18 Jan 22 9.19pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle It's already both. I would increase and ring-fence them to stop any government playing the kind of political games we are now witnessing. This is what you wrong Jan 16 in your usual high handed " I know better than you " manner to Badger 11 Originally posted by Badger11 Exactly it's a compulsory tax on all of us and hurts the the poor. No it isn't. It's a licence fee. Taxes are raised and SPENT by the government. The licence fee is spent by the BBC, independent of the government. That some of you don't like the output doesn't change that. Be careful what you wish for. One day you may have a left leaning government and be pleased that the BBC is independent of them. Your supercilouos pomposity knows no bounds Edited by HKOwen (18 Jan 2022 9.20pm) Edited by HKOwen (18 Jan 2022 9.20pm) Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

HKOwen

Hong Kong 18 Jan 22 9.19pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

It's already both. I would increase and ring-fence them to stop any government playing the kind of political games we are now witnessing.

This is what you wrong Jan 16 in your usual high handed " I know better than you " manner to Badger 11

Originally posted by Badger11
Exactly it's a compulsory tax on all of us and hurts the the poor.

No it isn't. It's a licence fee.

Taxes are raised and SPENT by the government. The licence fee is spent by the BBC, independent of the government. That some of you don't like the output doesn't change that. Be careful what you wish for. One day you may have a left leaning government and be pleased that the BBC is independent of them.

Your supercilouos pomposity knows no bounds

Edited by HKOwen (18 Jan 2022 9.20pm)

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

Stirlingsays 18 Jan 22 9.25pm
The only defenders of the BBC looking for no change are either on the left....as we see with the Labour party now.....or the neo liberals. That tells you everything you need to know. The BBC had its chance and threw it away..Those who genuinely loved the BBC should have been speaking up decades ago...I like many others will shed no tears on the inevitability of what's to come...whether in 2027 or later...on the right the die is now cast. Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Jan 2022 9.26pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

18 Jan 22 9.25pm

The only defenders of the BBC looking for no change are either on the left....as we see with the Labour party now.....or the neo liberals.

That tells you everything you need to know.

The BBC had its chance and threw it away..Those who genuinely loved the BBC should have been speaking up decades ago...I like many others will shed no tears on the inevitability of what's to come...whether in 2027 or later...on the right the die is now cast.

Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Jan 2022 9.26pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Mapletree Croydon 18 Jan 22 9.37pm
The current Chairman of the BBC is Tim Davie Davie won a scholarship to attend Whitgift School in Croydon, and studied English at Selwyn College, Cambridge. He became Vice-President for Marketing and Franchise at PepsiCo. Davie stood as a councillor for the Conservative Party in Hammersmith in 1993 and 1994[9] and was deputy chairman of the Hammersmith and Fulham Conservative party in the 1990s.

Mapletree

Croydon 18 Jan 22 9.37pm

The current Chairman of the BBC is Tim Davie

Davie won a scholarship to attend Whitgift School in Croydon, and studied English at Selwyn College, Cambridge.

He became Vice-President for Marketing and Franchise at PepsiCo.

Davie stood as a councillor for the Conservative Party in Hammersmith in 1993 and 1994[9] and was deputy chairman of the Hammersmith and Fulham Conservative party in the 1990s.

Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 18 Jan 22 9.51pm
Originally posted by Mapletree The current Chairman of the BBC is Tim Davie Davie won a scholarship to attend Whitgift School in Croydon, and studied English at Selwyn College, Cambridge. He became Vice-President for Marketing and Franchise at PepsiCo. Davie stood as a councillor for the Conservative Party in Hammersmith in 1993 and 1994[9] and was deputy chairman of the Hammersmith and Fulham Conservative party in the 1990s. He's also on a salary of over 500K a year (The PM earns about 150K) & when he worked for PepsiCo his salary was around 250K a year. Pro USA & Israel

Jimenez

SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 18 Jan 22 9.51pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

The current Chairman of the BBC is Tim Davie

Davie won a scholarship to attend Whitgift School in Croydon, and studied English at Selwyn College, Cambridge.

He became Vice-President for Marketing and Franchise at PepsiCo.

Davie stood as a councillor for the Conservative Party in Hammersmith in 1993 and 1994[9] and was deputy chairman of the Hammersmith and Fulham Conservative party in the 1990s.

He's also on a salary of over 500K a year (The PM earns about 150K) & when he worked for PepsiCo his salary was around 250K a year.

Pro USA & Israel

Stirlingsays 18 Jan 22 9.55pm
Originally posted by Mapletree The current Chairman of the BBC is Tim Davie Davie won a scholarship to attend Whitgift School in Croydon, and studied English at Selwyn College, Cambridge. He became Vice-President for Marketing and Franchise at PepsiCo. Davie stood as a councillor for the Conservative Party in Hammersmith in 1993 and 1994[9] and was deputy chairman of the Hammersmith and Fulham Conservative party in the 1990s. Davie is a Wisbech Eagle's 'conservative' and that isn't a conservative. They conserve nothing of traditional conservative values. They are only interested in conserving their bank account levels. I have nothing against fiscal common sense....however, that alone does not a conservative make. Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Jan 2022 9.56pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

18 Jan 22 9.55pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

The current Chairman of the BBC is Tim Davie

Davie won a scholarship to attend Whitgift School in Croydon, and studied English at Selwyn College, Cambridge.

He became Vice-President for Marketing and Franchise at PepsiCo.

Davie stood as a councillor for the Conservative Party in Hammersmith in 1993 and 1994[9] and was deputy chairman of the Hammersmith and Fulham Conservative party in the 1990s.

Davie is a Wisbech Eagle's 'conservative' and that isn't a conservative.

They conserve nothing of traditional conservative values.

They are only interested in conserving their bank account levels.

I have nothing against fiscal common sense....however, that alone does not a conservative make.

Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Jan 2022 9.56pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Hrolf The Ganger 18 Jan 22 10.06pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Reading that you would think that being a member of the EU meant we no longer had a sovereign Parliament. The EU moves forward by agreement, not by diktat, on all important issues. The idea that we were ever going to be submersed in any kind of federal Europe, let alone that we already were, was always nonsense. Subsidiarity is often forgotten, but it's the vital principle underpinning what the EU does. That just shows how incapable you are of seeing beyond your nose.

Hrolf The Ganger

18 Jan 22 10.06pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Reading that you would think that being a member of the EU meant we no longer had a sovereign Parliament. The EU moves forward by agreement, not by diktat, on all important issues.

The idea that we were ever going to be submersed in any kind of federal Europe, let alone that we already were, was always nonsense.

Subsidiarity is often forgotten, but it's the vital principle underpinning what the EU does.

That just shows how incapable you are of seeing beyond your nose.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 18 Jan 22 10.48pm
Originally posted by HKOwen This is what you wrong Jan 16 in your usual high handed " I know better than you " manner to Badger 11 Originally posted by Badger11 Exactly it's a compulsory tax on all of us and hurts the the poor. No it isn't. It's a licence fee. Taxes are raised and SPENT by the government. The licence fee is spent by the BBC, independent of the government. That some of you don't like the output doesn't change that. Be careful what you wish for. One day you may have a left leaning government and be pleased that the BBC is independent of them. Your supercilouos pomposity knows no bounds Edited by HKOwen (18 Jan 2022 9.20pm) Edited by HKOwen (18 Jan 2022 9.20pm) You just love trawling through my posts nit-picking to try to find a little mud to throw. It's a real obsession. Don't you have anything useful to do? The truth here is that I was responding to the suggestion that the licence fee equated to a tax, when it isn't. It's a ring-fenced fee. That part of the BBC's revenue comes from taxation, via the government, to support the BBC World Service is certainly true, as it that it gets revenue from its commercial businesses. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 18 Jan 22 10.48pm

Originally posted by HKOwen

This is what you wrong Jan 16 in your usual high handed " I know better than you " manner to Badger 11

Originally posted by Badger11
Exactly it's a compulsory tax on all of us and hurts the the poor.

No it isn't. It's a licence fee.

Your supercilouos pomposity knows no bounds

Edited by HKOwen (18 Jan 2022 9.20pm)

You just love trawling through my posts nit-picking to try to find a little mud to throw. It's a real obsession. Don't you have anything useful to do?

The truth here is that I was responding to the suggestion that the licence fee equated to a tax, when it isn't. It's a ring-fenced fee.

That part of the BBC's revenue comes from taxation, via the government, to support the BBC World Service is certainly true, as it that it gets revenue from its commercial businesses.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 18 Jan 22 10.53pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger That just shows how incapable you are of seeing beyond your nose. That you don't shows how you are prone to believe conspiracy theories spread around by people with an agenda. I think for myself and base my opinions on hard, observable facts. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 18 Jan 22 10.53pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

That just shows how incapable you are of seeing beyond your nose.

That you don't shows how you are prone to believe conspiracy theories spread around by people with an agenda.

I think for myself and base my opinions on hard, observable facts.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Mapletree Croydon 18 Jan 22 11.47pm
Originally posted by Jimenez He's also on a salary of over 500K a year (The PM earns about 150K) & when he worked for PepsiCo his salary was around 250K a year. Are you saying his salary has risen in the past 17 years? Crikey Any other points you wish to make? Edited by Mapletree (18 Jan 2022 11.47pm)

Mapletree

Croydon 18 Jan 22 11.47pm

Originally posted by Jimenez

He's also on a salary of over 500K a year (The PM earns about 150K) & when he worked for PepsiCo his salary was around 250K a year.

Are you saying his salary has risen in the past 17 years? Crikey

Any other points you wish to make?

Edited by Mapletree (18 Jan 2022 11.47pm)

cryrst The garden of England 19 Jan 22 3.24am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle You just love trawling through my posts nit-picking to try to find a little mud to throw. It's a real obsession. Don't you have anything useful to do? The truth here is that I was responding to the suggestion that the licence fee equated to a tax, when it isn't. It's a ring-fenced fee. That part of the BBC's revenue comes from taxation, via the government, to support the BBC World Service is certainly true, as it that it gets revenue from its commercial businesses. Hardly trawling ,it was 2 days ago !

cryrst

The garden of England 19 Jan 22 3.24am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

You just love trawling through my posts nit-picking to try to find a little mud to throw. It's a real obsession. Don't you have anything useful to do?

The truth here is that I was responding to the suggestion that the licence fee equated to a tax, when it isn't. It's a ring-fenced fee.

That part of the BBC's revenue comes from taxation, via the government, to support the BBC World Service is certainly true, as it that it gets revenue from its commercial businesses.

Hardly trawling ,it was 2 days ago !

The Dolphin 19 Jan 22 7.28am
Wisbech. I am not extreme right as you imply - more just right of centre with a social conscience. To say that the Beeb is not left liberal is just simply untrue and a fantasy. I am sure that the far left do think it is biased but the majority of sensible people know the truth. Give me unbiased reporting and not biased opinion and I would support them. Edited by The Dolphin (19 Jan 2022 7.29am)

The Dolphin

19 Jan 22 7.28am

Wisbech.
I am not extreme right as you imply - more just right of centre with a social conscience.
To say that the Beeb is not left liberal is just simply untrue and a fantasy.
I am sure that the far left do think it is biased but the majority of sensible people know the truth.
Give me unbiased reporting and not biased opinion and I would support them.

Edited by The Dolphin (19 Jan 2022 7.29am)

Hrolf The Ganger 19 Jan 22 9.00am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle That you don't shows how you are prone to believe conspiracy theories spread around by people with an agenda. I think for myself and base my opinions on hard, observable facts. The fact that you believe something does not make it true. You seem to have an ongoing problem distinguishing between fact and your opinion. The idea that you think that when you brand something as a 'conspiracy theory' it therefore cannot be true, displays your never ending capacity for illogic.

Hrolf The Ganger

19 Jan 22 9.00am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

That you don't shows how you are prone to believe conspiracy theories spread around by people with an agenda.

I think for myself and base my opinions on hard, observable facts.

The fact that you believe something does not make it true. You seem to have an ongoing problem distinguishing between fact and your opinion.

The idea that you think that when you brand something as a 'conspiracy theory' it therefore cannot be true, displays your never ending capacity for illogic.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 19 Jan 22 9.36am
Originally posted by cryrst Hardly trawling ,it was 2 days ago ! As you can cast your trawl the moment you leave the harbour I fail to see your point. It doesn't mean it's necessarily historical, only that it's nit-picking, trying to find out of context phrases and then making snide remarks. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 19 Jan 22 9.36am

Originally posted by cryrst

Hardly trawling ,it was 2 days ago !

As you can cast your trawl the moment you leave the harbour I fail to see your point. It doesn't mean it's necessarily historical, only that it's nit-picking, trying to find out of context phrases and then making snide remarks.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 19 Jan 22 9.44am
Originally posted by The Dolphin Wisbech. I am not extreme right as you imply - more just right of centre with a social conscience. To say that the Beeb is not left liberal is just simply untrue and a fantasy. I am sure that the far left do think it is biased but the majority of sensible people know the truth. Give me unbiased reporting and not biased opinion and I would support them. Edited by The Dolphin (19 Jan 2022 7.29am) Then we disagree. I don't believe it is "left-liberal" at all. I think it is socially responsible, fair and objective. I just watched Victoria Derbyshire give a Tory Councillor a very hard time over him calling for Johnson to consider his position, describing it as disloyal. This was followed by a piece about a former Brexit Party Parliamentary candidate threatening a Labour MP with violence in a tweet, being found guilty in Court. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 19 Jan 22 9.44am

Originally posted by The Dolphin

Edited by The Dolphin (19 Jan 2022 7.29am)

Then we disagree. I don't believe it is "left-liberal" at all. I think it is socially responsible, fair and objective. I just watched Victoria Derbyshire give a Tory Councillor a very hard time over him calling for Johnson to consider his position, describing it as disloyal. This was followed by a piece about a former Brexit Party Parliamentary candidate threatening a Labour MP with violence in a tweet, being found guilty in Court.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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