You are quite right, it's absolutely outrageous how the BBC have been allowed to frame the rules for leaving their services so restrictively. I've given my view on why I think that is in previous posts.

From how I understand it....and they don't help you at all. You literally have to set your TV services in such a way as to not receive live broadcasts. So, in effect, if you want to leave the BBC you have to leave all the other channels as well that produce live content.

This has stopped me from leaving for at least five years now.

However, a modern telly can be set to watch apps that provide a lot of content plus, I have a huge boxset and blu-ray/Dvd library that I've acquired and I'll be making a NAS with PLEX (have a look into it) to create my own media centre.

It can be done without the BBC but the system should have never have been created that makes it so hard.

It's yet another area where the conservatives have made noises to their base for decades and yet done sweet FA about it in power.

Edited by Stirlingsays (22 May 2021 9.24am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

But abolishing a historic national institution such as the BBC is conservative?

You seem to be conflating actual conservatism with an American style "conservatism" which is just alt-right pseudo-libertarian populism.

Edited by Mstrobez (22 May 2021 10.05am)

We're the Arthur over ere!

You're the one conflating here.

All those elements are just different aspects of conservatism.

As for the BBC, I'm a white working class male social conservative. I'm not represented by the BBC in anyway and indeed, and when it does its output maligns me. Yet it wants my money.

As for 'national institution'....you mean the BBC who employ front line employees who mock the union flag.

As for abolishing the BBC, I don't believe I've said that. However, there are lots of options that would be far far fairer than today.

It could exist in its present from but reduced and be paid for by those that support it....the woke like you....that way you can get your 'Guardian' broadcaster without fleecing people who don't agree with your politics.

Or perhaps people could get the chance to pay for the parts of the BBC that they support. For example, I'm not against certain radio stations and the World service.

One thing is for certain, the rules for leaving the BBC could....not should be made far fairer and easier than it is.

Edited by Stirlingsays (22 May 2021 10.28am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

I know...that was the most amusing one.

Apparently there's a issue if you don't meet some threshold on pure libertarianism.....They are very binary when they wish to be.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

No they are not. Libertarianism has absolutely nothing to do with conservatism. They are ideologically at odds with each other. Libertarianism was initially a left wing thing before. That's why the new breed of Ben Shapiro style right wing populism I referred to is so silly.

Then that's a problem with the way the BBC is currently operating. You are more than entitled to want to defund the BBC. I'm just pointing out to you that it seems a tad bizarre to complain the Tories are too neoliberal & aren't conservative enough whilst demanding they abolish a nationalised broadcaster that was formed almost 100 years ago... by a conservative government.

Yes, a national institution. Whether you like it or not, the BBC is a national institution. I have no problem with them employing people of all different politics, provided it's balanced across the board. I'm not claiming that it currently is.

The irony of something like this is just how much in common right wing populism has with wokeism. I despise the woke type of left. But both movements are almost identical in their approach & you've just proven it. Instantly throwing cheap jibes & a name at someone to dismiss them simply because they challenged you on something is a perfect example.

Fine. But I'm merely questioning what the conflation is with not abolishing a nationalised broadcaster & conservatism. They don't have anything to do with eachother, unless, as I said, you're referring to an American style of "conservatism". But, again, American style conservatism isn't very conservative at all.

Edited by Mstrobez (22 May 2021 11.01am)

We're the Arthur over ere!

Under no circumstances let them in. Even when escorted by police, insist on a warrant. They won't be back. If they are unplug everything and put it in a cupboard. And put away the bong, of course.

Red and Blue Army!